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ISI's covert war wing: Directorate S

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  1. Samlee

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    There Was A Time It Was Called Special Operations Directorate And Was Popularly Known As S Wing
     
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    Big bad toys like Su30s, Apaches etc etc can't prevent their jokers from having heart attacks :omghaha::omghaha:
     
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    And you know there is no such teams / units exist in P.A named BAT.
     
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    Micheal Hastings, Inspired by General McChrystal went along him & his team on a Europe trip to garner support from Ally countries - MH was in on the trip to pen a book on General..... during that trip Hasting had a brief chat with the General who spoke about the spineless presidency in WH & the leadership......Micheal was trusted by the team thats why they opened up to him, but he went ahead & got that published in the paper.......General was called to Washington .....blah blah blah!!!! .......and before the article got published one of the Team members did say to Journo that he will come for him he breaks their trust..... whatever the case, its a closed chapter

    I got the book and have read it.....other things apart, General had a good strategy for Afghanistan, he knew that Talibans are Afghan & that is what he told everyone, unlike the Govt he didn't complain about Tangos being hosted across the border but he told everyone that how effed up the region was .......

    obviously man, i know that....they have just cooked this one up
     
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    My head spins when I imagine how Los Americanos in Afghanistan must lie to their higher uppers back home about how nice the Afghan govt is. And how there is no drug problems, bacha baazi problems and other problems in Northern Alliance Afghani government.
     
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    Few more notes from the Book - what General had said to leadership of the allied countries in Paris:
    “So when we come in and start talking about women’s rights,” he said diplomatically, “they might not see it that way.”

    The Soviets came, McChrystal said, and “they did a lot of things right. The Soviets did a lot of things correctly.” They modernized. They created an Afghan army and police force. They built roads. They promoted a strong central government. They promoted education for both boys and girls. They did things “differently,” too, he says. He means the Soviets carpet bombed and killed an “unimaginable” number of people. Death toll: 1.5 million. Then the nineties: The warlords took over. The warlords fought one another, killing tens of thousands. Then the Taliban fought the warlords, killing tens of thousands more. The warlords lost. Then, in 2001, the Americans came in. The Taliban went out. The warlords, “those same characters,” McChrystal said, are now back in power.

    The economy is torn to pieces. Seventy percent less irrigation than Afghanistan had in 1975. Other facts: GDP is around $15.6 billion, with close to 97 percent coming from foreign aid. That’s not sustainable. The literacy rate is about 28 percent. It’s a culture made up of fighters, McChrystal said, an entire class of professional fighters who know only how to fight. We want to get them to put their arms down and take up other, peaceful jobs. But there are no jobs. Ergo, we have to create new jobs and get them to put their weapons down.

    Corruption: $3 billion has flown out of Kabul Airport, in cash, over the last three years. The corruption is at a level that “Afghans have never seen,” McChrystal said. It is the fifth poorest country in the world.

    The country has been at war for thirty-one years. The average life span of an Afghan is forty-five years. Sixty-eight percent of the population is under twenty-five years old. No one remembers what peace looks like, McChrystal said. Karzai thinks he does, said McChrystal—when Karzai talked to McChrystal, he often got nostalgic about how things were when he was a kid. So the goal is to try to re-create Afghanistan in the 1970s: Forget the two coups and the Soviet invasion. To find the “brief period of solace,” as it’s been described, between the fifties and the seventies, when American backpackers and hippies traveled safely through the country. The goal is to turn the clock back to 1979.

    “The people are tired, they’re frustrated. They had great expectations. Now, their expectations might have been unrealistic. They don’t see what they were promised. They don’t have confidence. People don’t know the future. They don’t have confidence the government will win. They don’t have confidence that the international community will stay. They fear the Taliban. The insurgency is extensive around the country.”
     
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    S wing.


    Wonder what "S" stands for. Heard about them in Mansoor Ijaz interview few years ago.
     
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    You are under arrest. Hands up!!!
     
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    CIA is the largest cartel in the world actually.
     
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    But they are smart and they know how to achiever their goals. Btw such types of books seem to be a part of american narrative building efforts to sort of mould public opinion in their favor as a run up to wage wars against other nations. Like for instance these books presenting isi as some invincible monster seem very much like a part of narrative building like americans have been doing against iran , link https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-p...hoice-of-war-once-its-happening-again.542950/

    Thats just my opinion though.
     
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    Kind of reminds me of the whole Iraq and WMD's, it turned out to be a big lie.
     
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    All Wings, sections and directorates are not known publicly, even some sections are not known to ordinary ISI operatives.
     
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    Oh the Legendry S Wing.
     
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    Ok I really want to ask what are the images about? And was directorate s a reality? Iread up on wiki such named wing was found in cia and russian intel agency too