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Is US Playing the "India Card" Against China With "Indo-Pacific Quad"?

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  1. RiazHaq

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    Has Asia-Pacific become Indo-Pacific? Is George W. Bush's Quad back again? Is this Trump's version of Obama's Pivot to Asia? Let's examine what happened during President Donald Trump's recent Asia Trip.

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    Obama's Pivot to Asia:

    President Barack Obama's Pivot to Asia initiative and his efforts to create Trans-Pacific Partnership (TTP) seemed to have been all but abandoned by President Donald Trump after his inauguration in January 2017. This is part of a pattern of Mr. Trump's campaign to erase the Obama legacy and put his own stamp all things American. However, it now appears that the Obama legacy is being repackaged by the Trump administration under new names such as "Quad" in "Indo-Pacific" region. Its aim remains the same: To check China's rise.

    Trump's Quad in Indo-Pacific:

    In a speech to business leaders during his visit to Vietnam, President Trump repeatedly called for a “free and open Indo-Pacific,” describing a region where independent nations could “thrive in freedom and peace” and all states “play by the rules.” Without naming China as the target, Trumo also used the phrase repeatedly at the start of a meeting Monday in the Philippines with President Rodrigo Duterte, according to Bloomberg. Trump also met Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Manila and called him a friend and a “great gentleman.”

    Trump's Asia trip also saw the revival of a decade-old but short-lived partnership of four maritime nations (Australia, India, Japan and the United States) worried about China’s rising influence in the region now being described as "Indo-Pacific" rather than its usual moniker of Asia-Pacific. Senior officials from the four counties met in Manila for the first such meeting since the George W. Bush administration, focused on regional issues including North Korea but topped with China-related concerns.

    US-India Anti-China Military Alliance?

    To some observers, the "Quad" appears to be a throwback to the Cold War era in which the United States wants to use Narendra Modi as a willing ally to check China's rise. They cite lack of confidence in the current American leadership under Trump to follow through on any international or bilateral commitments.

    While the US seeks to use India against China, the Indians remain obsessed with Pakistan. They talk about the lack of American concern for India's interests in South Asia and the Middle East. Writing for The Wire, Indian analyst Manoj Joshi complains that "there is no reciprocal US commitment to issues of Indian concern relating to Pakistan and the dangers arising out of the highly volatile environment in the Persian Gulf area which the US has helped create".

    India's Pakistan Obsession:

    It seems to me that the US policymakers don't fully appreciate the Kautilya doctrine that says "your neighbor is your enemy and your neighbor's neighbor is your friend".

    The foreign policy doctrine enunciated by Kautilya, the ancient Indian Machiavelli, continues to guide India's foreign policy vis-a-vis its neighbors, particularly Pakistan. Kautilya's Rajamdala (Circle of States) theory can be seen in action today in India's use of Afghanistan against Pakistan. Unfortunately, the Pakistan phobia in India is so deeply ingrained that the Indian policy vis-a-vis Pakistan is not likely to change in the foreseeable future.

    Summary:

    President Donald Trump has repeatedly talked about the "Indo-Pacific" region in an obvious attempt to sign up Delhi to counter Beijing in Asia. However, the Indians remain obsessed with enlisting the Americans to hurt Pakistan. The Trump administration is willing to engage in anti-Pakistan rhetoric but it is not going to act against Pakistan as long as Afghanistan remains important to the US interests. This is where their interest diverge now and likely to remain so at least in the foreseeable future.

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    of course USA is playing India card against China
     
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    nice shirts :lol:
     
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    Not surprising. Use India as a pawn against China.
     
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    In international relationship, India remains a card, not a player. And it's a relatively weak and unstable card.
     
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    Hell, even Vietnam is a card. India is a willing US pawn.
     
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    Of course the Americans are playing the Indians against the Chinese. It was done in a subtle way before Obama, and during Obama's time they came out openly. What has changed is that the Indians always protected their independence in the face of American machinations. However, now Modi is willingly playing along in the hope of damaging Pakistan. What the Indians are missing is that Americans are not fools who will take dictation from India. America always comes out on top.
     
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    I would have preferred India to be friends with China rather than US,that that is clearly not possible due to nuclear proliferation by China to its 2 client states
     
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    India believe that it's a major player and it's allowing our engineers to inspects its Russian nuclear sub. Thanks India. But you are also telling us that you are devious and we should not sell you anything we are willing to share with Russians.
     
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    Butthurt is flowing in this thread.
     
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    Modi is not a fool. He is reducing the leverage Pakistan has versus USA
     
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    If USA doesn't want China to be a big power only a fool believes that USA would want a pathetic people in India to have any substantial power. Its the old pitting one against the other while sitting back and watching.. USA wants no one to have power which threatens USA's supremacy.
     
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    USA dont need to play cards. Why will they? If USA wants to destroy China, simply stop transferring your technology and Industry to China. Simple.
    Actually the guys standing behind USA(Bankers and capitalists), are playing with USA, and with the help of USA, they are playing with everybody in the world. One country that was not willing to play at their terms was Germany(before WW1 and 2). After greats wars, that last country also subjugated to the will of the people who own this world.
    I don't buy this USA's drama of China-India tug of war.
     
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    What is obvious right now is that America wants to pit India against China so that China remains bogged down in Asia. Modi thinks he can ride this tiger to subdue Pakistan. Pakistan has long abandoned America because of their unreliability.

    Whether Modi is a fool or not, will only be proven in hindsight. Considering his management of India over the past 3 years, I am confident of where I will be placing my bet.
     
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    BS is all you deserve. At the moment, your nation is busy bending over to Uncle Sam to get their approval.