• Monday, January 27, 2020

Is There a Storm Brewing !

Discussion in 'Strategic & Foreign Affairs' started by Windjammer, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. AMRAAM

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    Bring in Chinese influence. Do some military exercises with a loud and clear message. Have some J-20s parked at Mianwali or Sargodha. Only with the help of Chinese, Pak can push it back.
     
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  2. PakFactor

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    It'll be just for show - neither Russia showed any will to engage against outsides forces aggressively to help their ally's (look at Syria) - China right now has other problems tying their hands economic(s), Taiwan, Hong King and U.S in the Pacific. They wouldn't be in a mood to open the other side of border to a conflict.
     
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    India wants Gilgit-Baltistan
    India has always been envious with Pakistan's relationships with the world.

    Pakistan enjoys a very strategic location. Bordered by India, China, Afghanistan and Iran, with close proximity to the GCC and access to the sea.
    This has both been a blessing and a curse.

    Afghanistan and Iran are often found to be under the radar of superpowers. This often results in them wooing us to gain our support.
    USA vs USSR in the 70s, and USA vs China now. And smaller regional powers KSA vs Iran.

    China needs access to Gwadar. USA needs to prevent that from happening.

    India, on the other hand, is geographically locked in. The north and west by the Himalayas. On the east, stonewalled by our army. It's coastline is vast, but it's forced to compete with Sri Lanka for transit sea lanes. Ironically, Gwadar is a major shipping point only because India's geography gets in the way and lengths the shipping route from the east.

    Its economy is the only thing keeping it relevant. Pakistan yields significant influence even with a weak economy.

    Loss of Gilgit-Baltistan will mark a major shift. CPEC shuts down and India gains direct access to Afghanistan. India won't stop at GB and cut through Chitral to Afghanistan. India then gets access to Afghanistan, Iran and possibly a road to Europe.

    Of course, what India wants and what India gets are two sides of this coin.

    @Mangus Ortus Novem @MastanKhan @Signalian @Windjammer @aliyusuf
     
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  4. AMRAAM

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    That's why they need to support Pakistan to avoid this massive conflict India.
     
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    should have had a stronger air force and air defence. we may be successful initially, but iaf has the numbers on its side.
     
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    The Valley is too hot already for India. It's not Pakistan but in fact, India is now frustrated and decorate to get out of situation. India's warmongering and so-called drum beating to annex AJK GB etc isn't from the point of dominance over matters at hand rather haunting in IOK.

    Susrailis advised them, pushed them & fueled them to attack because they don't have anything to loose but it's India in the end which is merely like one of the fighting dogs for current fight. Their miscalculated move is already haunting them because IoK isn't Palestine nor Pakistan is Syria or Lebanon or you name it. Although, they couldn't succeed directly hence, sponsored political turmoil as well as student march type propaganda for unrest from within. Until & unless, we aren't weak from inside while country is progressing, they wouldn't dare to provoke. There is no doubt that instability and chaotic forces are being activated and pushed with more money and interestingly, most of actors doesn't even know the real cause behind so-called political differences hence opposition goes totally offensive even if it is on the cost of our sovereignty.

    Military is preparing and it isn't just a hunch. A wise man once said that never let the dust on your weapon. The hostilities exist and growing further because of India's thinking of offensive and over confidence under estimating our retaliatory strikes.

    Foreign powers are now finally in last moves and they don't have anything to loose here. Instead, growing CPEC and strong economy are becoming some sort of concern for them. CPEC isn't alone about Pakistan but China's strength and Russia in the block is the real concern for most of them and on other hand Susrailis wants us to be weaken and for that they want Iran to be done at first. A strong peaceful Pakistan is the guarantee of safe Iran and same goes for GCC as well. So in all the regional strategic planning, Pakistan is the main party standing strong and can influence any development when it comes to change the shape of outcome.

    US etc may have trade wars etc with Russia China but for susraelis, Pakistan is the most important concern as well as main post to get rid of. India is merely a pawn in the game under the sense of powers being on her side but in new world order, none will be taking side openly or directly. The brainchild of world order is actually feeling threatened of Pakistan.

    We do have domestic minions and they are also like fuel to domestic unrest and sabotage in the name of democracy, freedom of speech and so-called modesty or progress or whatever you call it. Isn't surprising that Syria or Libya like designs have been thwarted by Pakistan in past and that isn't long ago. So they do have one after another plan having deep pockets to execute and fools within are falling for it.
     
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    Really clever. Makes me shocked, countless traitors inside, yet most powerful here can’t take them down. What a ‘bebas’ situation !!

    Makes me remember the older times, how british played cleverly with the aal-e-babur.

    How are we imposing the similar warfare on them ?
     
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    It's just their wish which will remain a wish.
     
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    Last para reminds me of the quote,

    “You know i am a 1500 years old, i have killed twice as many as that and everyone of them would have rather killed me but non succeeded. I am only alive because fate wants me alive, Thanos is just the latest in a long line of BASTARDS and he would be the latest to feel my vengeance as fate wills it so ” - Thor (Infinity War)

    Pakistan is not different, we have really come out miraculously of many situations, successfully and victoriously. Enemies are always concerned more about our steps instead of us of them MORE.


    As for the hell students march, you earlier told me something in Extension thread “Just a media hype”.
    Same case, cut off all media, ban social media, for a while, that’s why i always say, democracy is a ‘Fool’s paradise’, martial law is the REALITY and the only solution IF THE DICTATOR IS SINCERE.

    So a WinterWar would definitely attract Chinese Army Aviation, transport and IF needed, armory.
     
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    This!

    They try to cover it but India got humiliated in February

    I don't think that they can afford a war just like we can't afford a war

    But all the chest puffing the Indians have done for the last decade and a half blew up in their faces in February and they desperately want to somehow put one over Pakistan

    The most dangerous enemy is a DELUDED enemy and the Indians think all their western weapon purchases have given them an advantage over our mixture of western, Chinese and indigenous weapons and they are itching



    If you know your enemy is going to do something stupid, then plan and wait wait

    LET'S SET A TRAP!:butcher:
     
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    Welldone everyone, @Windjammer @The Eagle @Mangus Ortus Novem , and all others, we all managed to make a very strong thread and conversation, keep it going

    No procurement in this thread... Please, every thread ends up with a long bill of unpayable purchases so kindly keep the discussion to geopolitics and strategics.
     
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    PLA's 3 sqd. of Eastern command were on stand-by on 27 Feb.
    After ISI chief visit, PLAN 2 destroyers were in Arabian sea.
    Khel abb bahut agy nikal gaya hai.:-)
     
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    Indians won't do anything until all rafales come. Their target is GB not AJK. All they want is to cut of China from Pakistan,bury CPEC and get access to Afghanistan.
    The thrust will be swift. It will all depend on how quickly we respond.
    I wish Pakistan didnot have to fight a single war ever again. However, that is not our purpose in the world. Our destiny has been already set. Our purpose is to bring the rulers of hind in chains. I don't think this will be in our lifetime but the events of our lifetime and what we do now will lead up to this moment one day.
     
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    Our Achilles Neel is the Navy at the moment, without a strong Air Arm and Fleet we can be easily blockaded. To keep some sort of strategic parity we need readily available twin engine fighters with dedicated Air to Sea arsenal - more of Stand Of Weapons.
     
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    Everyone, kindly reply @Srinivas only if you can get a good legit convo else ignore. Subcontinent lacks conversation code of conduct, we can’t bear the other, to keep this thread clean, only reply if only you have a legit message. This goes for srinivas as well.
     
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