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Is The U.S. Navy In Danger Of Falling Behind China’s PLAN?

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Pretty sure genociding a ethnic minority breaks a lot of rules...

Also, not allowing international media into Xinjiang....obviously to cover up all the crimes, is one of the many things China does which goes hand in hand with not following "rules".

Keep in mind, every country breaks rules. Both the US and China do......China isn't some form of Angel. No matter what people might believe in. :rolleyes:


If China gets its way, then China will be like, if not worse, than the US. They're playing it nice since they're the underdog...
Internal issues. I could argue that US law enforcement is wracked with systemic racism and discriminatory attitudes as well. Nations should be allowed to evolve on their own, driven by domestic dynamics. Selective Western interference and propaganda in support of their own geo-political goals is not acceptable. The US Establishment and its apologists can rant and whine about Xinjiang when the US acts against the Israeli and Indian occupation and atrocities of millions of Palestinians and Kashmiris, instead of building stronger strategic relationships with them and helping them become stronger to perpetuate their atrocities and occupation.

That said, global peace and harmony is not driven by the US treatment of non WASP US Citizens much like it isn't driven by Chinese treatment of the Uighurs. Global peace and harmony is impacted by wars, conflict, regime changes driven by global powers for their own vested interests, sanctions and embargoes, outside of the UN Charter. I don't see China coming even close to the US Establishment on those metrics of destabilizing the world.
 
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Pretty sure genociding a ethnic minority breaks a lot of rules...

Also, not allowing international media into Xinjiang....obviously to cover up all the crimes, is one of the many things China does which goes hand in hand with not following "rules".

Keep in mind, every country breaks rules. Both the US and China do......China isn't some form of Angel. No matter what people might believe in. :rolleyes:


If China gets its way, then China will be like, if not worse, than the US. They're playing it nice since they're the underdog...
China is a relative saint only until it can develop the actual means to project power.

(Edit: We only need to look at its long and varied history in this regard, unless one conveniently declares that to be out of bounds for discussion here.)
 
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China is a relative saint only until it can develop the actual means to project power.
We'll cross that hypothetical bridge when we get to it.

Till then, lets deal with facts and realities on the ground, about which country (China or US) has done more to threaten global peace and harmony through wars, conflict, sanctions and embargoes outside the UN Charter.
 

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Internal issues. I could argue that US law enforcement is wracked with systemic racism and discriminatory attitudes as well. Nations should be allowed to evolve on their own, driven by domestic dynamics. Selective Western interference and propaganda in support of their own geo-political goals is not acceptable. The US Establishment and its apologists can rant and whine about Xinjiang when the US acts against the Israeli and Indian occupation and atrocities of millions of Palestinians and Kashmiris, instead of building stronger strategic relationships with them and helping them become stronger to perpetuate their atrocities and occupation.

That said, global peace and harmony is not driven by the US treatment of non WASP US Citizens much like it isn't driven by Chinese treatment of the Uighurs. Global peace and harmony is impacted by wars, conflict, regime changes driven by global powers for their own vested interests, sanctions and embargoes, outside of the UN Charter. I don't see China coming even close to the US Establishment on those metrics of destabilizing the world.
You and I can sit here and shame the US all day. You know why PDF is banned in China?? Because we can't do say the same about China without repercussions.

For all of US'es faults.....at least they're not sissy little bitches about random folks outside their country talking bad about them.

The Uyghur genocide is well documented. It's up to you to believe in facts or keep up with the one sided "iron brotherhood". The Chinese don't really care LOL

Once relationship with India calms down and gets better, China will drop Pakistan like a fly for influence in India. If not that then it won't help Pakistan's claims on Kashmir, along with other stuff.


China is a relative saint only until it can develop the actual means to project power.

(Edit: We only need to look at its long and varied history in this regard, unless one conveniently declares that to be out of bounds for discussion here.)
Exactly. China is already polluting & exploiting Africa by having the Africans trade raw materials for finished goods with them.

Same is to be expected of Pakistan. And the Pakistanis will take it like quiet little servants. Not much they can do when their so called "leaders" have already sold out much of the country for peanuts in return.
 

AgNoStiC MuSliM

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You and I can sit here and shame the US all day. You know why PDF is banned in China?? Because we can't do say the same about China without repercussions.

For all of US'es faults.....at least they're not sissy little bitches about random folks outside their country talking bad about them.

The Uyghur genocide is well documented. It's up to you to believe in facts or keep up with the one sided "iron brotherhood". The Chinese don't really care LOL

Once relationship with India calms down and gets better, China will drop Pakistan like a fly for influence in India. If not that then it won't help Pakistan's claims on Kashmir, along with other stuff.
All of which has nothing to do with the subject being discussed - which is whether the US or China is a bigger threat to global peace and harmony. Domestic issues, being a sissy or not and how long China's relationship with Pakistan (or any other country) will last are irrelevant. However, if you really feel like pontificating on human rights and 'values' on behalf of the US Establishment, please do explain how all of that fits in with the US's continued, decades long support and funding for countries like Israel and India, that continue to occupy, persecute and oppress millions of Palestinians and Kashmiris.

What is relevant is analysis of foreign policy and the actions taken by the US/China, such as stoking conflict, engaging in wars, military invasions, sanctions and embargoes etc. undertaken outside of the UN Charter.
 

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