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Is Pakistan the heir to the Mughals?

Is Pakistan the heir to the Mughals?


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Lol some are desparate to distort history in here I see and as someone whos well versed in the History of the Mughal empire including the delhi sultanate..

I can confirm that Pakistan is the legacy of Muhammad of Ghor who even predates the Mughal era by couple of centuries the initial first incursion happened in the inner sub-continent in 1192 that is when India lost sovereignty to the ruling Islamic dynasties.

Today's Pashtuns and Punjabis were muslims and in his army that laid the charge into India and without these two the conquest of India wouldn't have been possible.

The islamic culture is a globalist culture hence you have people coming together an forming nations something akin to today's US but at a much lesser extent but nonetheless globalist society. The punjabis had been muslims for nearly 2 centuries when the battle of Tarain happened in 1192 AD meaning they were part of the invaders and the Pashtuns were muslims for 5 centuries at that point.

Hence you had a confederation melting pot of Pashtuns, Punjabis, Turkics, Arabs, Persians and Tajiks they themselves considered each other as one people for more then a 1000 years this was the true ground reality and inter-married because they were globalists and took even in any other converts in any part of the world that wanted to join them including Marathas etc etc Malik Kafur was Maratha example but mostly they were of these 6 ethnicties and they considered themselves 1 entity because they were globalists..

Despite being Pahstuns and Punjabis they are the people of Muhammad of Ghor because they gave him bayat meaning an oath of allegiance which is much more powerful then precieved kinship ties because giving bayat to someone it has divine connection meaning you gave that someone bayat for the sake of the heavens and acknowledging that person is doing god's work and the people of Pakistan has largely kept their oath of allegiance to Muhammad of Ghor to this day..

Muhammad of Ghor Tomb in Tehsil, Pakistan and the man solely responsible for the entire conquest of India..
1200px-Shrine_of_Mu%27izz_al-Din_Muhammad.JPG


He reigned over a territory spanning over parts of modern-day Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Bangladesh, Iran, India, Pakistan, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan.
 
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Pakistan is heir of Indus Valley civilisation till modern day Islamic republic of Pakistan

It would be good if we can read what we wrote 4500 years ago.

Pakistanis understand Mughals for what they were. An empire borne out of will of one man's ambition.

For modern day Indians and India, Mughals were a civilisation. Hence Bipins clash of civilisation.
 

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Lol some Indians are desparate to distort history in here I see and as someone whos well versed in the History of the Mughal empire including the delhi sultanate..

I can confirm that Pakistan is the legacy of Muhammad of Ghor who even predates the Mughal era by couple of centuries the initial first incursion happened in the inner sub-continent in 1192 that is when India lost sovereignty to the ruling Islamic dynasties.

Today's Pashtuns and Punjabis were muslims and in his army that laid the charge into India and without these two the conquest of India wouldn't have been possible.

The islamic culture is a globalist culture hence you have people coming together an forming nations something akin to today's US but at a much lesser extent but nonetheless globalist society. The punjabis had been muslims for nearly 2 centuries when the battle of Tarain happened in 1192 AD meaning they were part of the invaders and the Pashtuns were muslims for 5 centuries at that point.

Hence you had a confederation melting pot of Pashtuns, Punjabis, Turkics, Arabs, Persians and Tajiks they themselves considered each other as one people for more then a 1000 years this was the true ground reality and inter-married because they were globalists and took even in any other converts in any part of the world that wanted to join them including Marathas etc etc Malik Kafur was Maratha example but mostly they were of these 6 ethnicties and they considered themselves 1 entity because they were globalists..

Despite being Pahstuns and Punjabis they are the people of Muhammad of Ghor because they gave him bayat meaning an oath of allegiance which is much more powerful then precieved kinship ties because giving bayat to someone it has divine connection meaning you gave that someone bayat for the sake of the heavens and acknowledging that person is doing god's work and the people of Pakistan has largely kept their oath of allegiance to Muhammad of Ghor to this day..

Muhammad of Ghor Tomb in Tehsil, Pakistan and the man solely responsible for the entire conquest of India
1200px-Shrine_of_Mu%27izz_al-Din_Muhammad.JPG

Even today Indians shiver when we hear the names of Pakistani kings like Muhammad Ghori, Muhammad of Ghazni and Aurangzeb
 

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Even today Indians shiver when we hear the names of Pakistani kings like Muhammad Ghori, Muhammad of Ghazni and Aurangzeb
Nobody shivers at the names of 'Pakistani Kings' Ghori and Ghazni. For a change try to write something without the sole intention of provoking
 

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Fergana is 220 km from the northern most part of Afghani border and most of the area between Afghanistan and fargana is impassable tall mountains. If you travel from Afghanistan to fargana distance is many times higher

True but the ghurids were also in Afghanistan such as cities like Ghor
 

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They came from the ferghana valley which is weirdly situated in middle of 4 countries uzbek, afghan, tajik, and kyrgestan.. The Afghans were part of the Ghorids
Ferghana valley doesnt fall in present day Afghanistan



Babur and his clan was turkic..he had nothign to do with afghan identity of past or today other than the fact he inducted afghans or pashtuns in his military upon taking over their land.
 

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Nobody shivers at the names of 'Pakistani Kings' Ghori and Ghazni. For a change try to write something without the sole intention of provoking

That fact that you felt that my post was provoking itself confirms what I was saying. You are trying to cover your inferiority by claiming to be brave.
 

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First they conquered Afghanistan later present day India which means we were never conquered is a lie. And babar ki army main Indians bhi thay he was invited by some relatives of lodhi ruler
Never said we werent ..He was invited by a lodhi to fight lodhis..Pakistan is heir to Lodhis as well however Lodhis were one of the worst administratively and therefore crumbled...Many Punjabis esp. ghakkar and rajputs intermarried among mughals.
 

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That fact that you felt that my post was provoking itself confirms what I was saying. You are trying to cover your inferiority by claiming to be brave.

No I am not brave. I am just a keyboard warrior. One step below in the ladder of deceit from false flaggers and ten steps below LARPers.
 

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Ferghana valley doesnt fall in present day Afghanistan



Babur and his clan was turkic..he had nothign to do with afghan identity of past or today other than the fact he inducted afghans or pashtuns in his military upon taking over their land.

They did not conquer Afghanistan but it was the Ummayyid who did but all the Ghazanvids, Ghurids etc etc were not conquerors in the area but Ghazanvids split from the abbasids in the areas they held hence no conquering they just ceded from Abbasid Caliphate (Afghanistan, Tajikstan, Ferghana valley, parts of Iran and parts of Pakistan).. Then 200 years later the Ghurids split from the Ghanavids on it's Afghan, Tajik and ferghana valley territories again no conquest? What does this tell you? they were one country for centuries.. Hence the Ghurids were local in Afghanistan... The ghurids later took the remaining Ghazanvid territories which was on Pakistan territories (punjab, kpk and sindh) to unify their country
 
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Aghwani internet warriors kehtay hain unka kaha ha
that takes us back to the original questions what 'heir' means exactly.
And my pov if you carry anything culturally/linguistically/religiously from them you can call yourself their heir..
there doesnt necessarily have to be one heir so afghans may equally claim on what Paksitan claims..Modern day states didnt necessarily have distinctive past.
 

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They did not conquer Afghanistan but it was the Ummayyid who did but all the Ghazanvids, Ghurids etc etc were not conquerors in the area but Ghazanvids split from the abbasids in the areas they held hence no conquering they just ceded from Abbasid Caliphate (Afghanistan, Tajikstan, Ferghana valley, parts of Iran and parts of Pakistan).. Then 200 years later the Ghurids split from the Ghanavids on it's Afghan, Tajik and ferghana valley territories again no conquest? What does this tell you? they were one country for centuries.. Hence the Ghurids were local in Afghanistan... The ghurids later took the remaining Ghazanvid territories which was on Pakistan territories to unify their country
But we are not talking about Ghurids we are talking about Mughals..
Alptegin and Sebktegin were outsiders to Afghans
Sebuktegin(father of Mahmud Ghazni and architect of the dynasty) annexed half of the present day Afghansitan from bost(lashkar gah) to zor shar(kandhar) .His master Alptegin conquered bamiyan ghazna and kabulistan defeating hindu shahi kingdom... They even attacked their own lands in transoxiana.

Even later Mongols invaded and ruled the then Afghanistan
Followed by Timur who again invaded and ruled the then Afghanistan
They it was passed to Mughals..However there were pockets of resistance, all over the kingdom.. Babur captured Kandahar in 1522 and even married an afridi woman.
 
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