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These words coming from someone residing in USA is not a weird thing since you didn't feel the power of Ba'ath army enjoying life abroad or maybe you are too Young to know that. Without an eroded army, the Ba'athis could have waged war again having the whole western and eastern powers backing them. You seem unknown to Ba'athis of Iraq, we couldn't let them go easily. Something about national pride and dignity.
Keep talking keyboard warrior.

Actually had family on the frontlines during that war. So you should watch your mouth.

Saddam attacked because he sensed an opportunity to take oil rich land on the border due to revolution. When faced with stiff resistance he offered to strike a ceasefire.

The only reason the war continued was Khomeini’s instance on exporting the revolution to Iraq and rest of the Middle East. This false narrative your pushing that he did it to weaken Saddam from future attacks never existed. The military objectives by Iran were met (defense of its territorial integrity) instead he kept the war for 6 more years and then accepted the same ceasefire begrudgingly.

You don’t know what the future would have held if Iran accepted the ceasefire. So don’t speak for the hypothetical future as if you were certain of the events that would have unfolded...you are not God.

Not wasting anymore time on you.
 

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Saddam's orders of invasion were not the cause of the start, it was an inevitable war with Khomeini's ideology.

Iraq under this ideology turned into a shithole despite the removal of Americans sanctions.

Ya hossaaaaaain!

Labbayka ya hossaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain
 

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Keep talking keyboard warrior.

Actually had family on the frontlines during that war. So you should watch your mouth.

Saddam attacked because he sensed an opportunity to take oil rich land on the border due to revolution. When faced with stiff resistance he offered to strike a ceasefire.

The only reason the war continued was Khomeini’s instance on exporting the revolution to Iraq and rest of the Middle East. This false narrative your pushing that he did it to weaken Saddam from future attacks never existed. The military objectives by Iran were met (defense of its territorial integrity) instead he kept the war for 6 more years and then accepted the same ceasefire begrudgingly.

You don’t know what the future would have held if Iran accepted the ceasefire. So don’t speak for the hypothetical future as if you were certain of the events that would have unfolded...you are not God.

Not wasting anymore time on you.
If it was upto people like you, you would have gone even further claiming that Khomeini was the one who started the war.

I wasn't predicting the future but merely judging by Saddam's personality and the fact that no one could count on his Signature not even himself.

Living in USA is not a sin and having family members in those front lines is a glory and i respect that. None of those facts can convince me about your loyalty to Iran. If you were a loyal person then you should have supported Iranian revenge despite western pressure on Iran to accept that ceasefire. If Saddam had his eyes on our lands, then we had every right to have our eyes on Karbala and other Shia holy sites.

On the other hand despite your own quote, you are the one who predicted things out of thin air. How did you figure out that after signing that imposed proposal, Saddam would have attacked Kuwait? First thing you should know, his attack on Kuwait was out of desperation and he did that to revive his reputation which was met with Western reaction.

The fact that you cannot count on a dictators promise is a sobring fact that i had to remind you.
Saddam's orders of invasion were not the cause of the start, it was an inevitable war with Khomeini's ideology.

Iraq under this ideology turned into a shithole despite the removal of Americans sanctions.

Ya hossaaaaaain!

Labbayka ya hossaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain
I see you have felt the pain my Ba'athi.

How things changed, i don't blame you for your wonder. Respect your big brother 😁
 

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Keep talking keyboard warrior.

Actually had family on the frontlines during that war. So you should watch your mouth.

Saddam attacked because he sensed an opportunity to take oil rich land on the border due to revolution. When faced with stiff resistance he offered to strike a ceasefire.

The only reason the war continued was Khomeini’s instance on exporting the revolution to Iraq and rest of the Middle East. This false narrative your pushing that he did it to weaken Saddam from future attacks never existed. The military objectives by Iran were met (defense of its territorial integrity) instead he kept the war for 6 more years and then accepted the same ceasefire begrudgingly.

You don’t know what the future would have held if Iran accepted the ceasefire. So don’t speak for the hypothetical future as if you were certain of the events that would have unfolded...you are not God.

Not wasting anymore time on you.
Imagine a few decade later, some smart arse Yemenis like yourself saying MBS wanted the peace but Houthis wanted to takeover the whole Saudi Arabia!

Demanding peace and ceasefire is a war tactic for reinforcement and gaining sympathy.

Marib battlefield in Yemen was one example.
 

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Saddam's orders of invasion were not the cause of the start, it was an inevitable war with Khomeini's ideology.

Iraq under this ideology turned into a shithole despite the removal of Americans sanctions.

Ya hossaaaaaain!

Labbayka ya hossaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain
Iraq had a secular government whether during Saddam, or after US invasion. pure fact.

It's not the ideology which has kept you backwarded, it's the lack of industry. all dictators are ordered to keep their people away from advancement, that's the root of US (and so puppet Saddam) grudge against Khomeini's ideology. Iran shouldn't have become a model for the people of the dictatorships.

What Zionists and morons refer to as export of revolution is nothing but being a model.
 

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Iran completely eroded the Ba'ath army. They were left like a sitting duck. And before that point we couldn't let them go. Hope you use your brain and try to understand that.

Btw, who was the inner circle? Hashemi and his team of cowards you mean? Without that 8 years war, Saddam could have left with power to strike again. Even when he was being hanged like a dog, he whispered two names, death to Iran, death to USA. He hadnt slightest change and with the least power, he would have striked again.

These words coming from someone residing in USA is not a weird thing since you didn't feel the power of Ba'ath army enjoying life abroad or maybe you are too Young to know that. Without an eroded army, the Ba'athis could have waged war again having the whole western and eastern powers backing them. You seem unknown to Ba'athis of Iraq, we couldn't let them go easily. Something about national pride and dignity.
Iran had messed up Iraqi army capabilities and memories to such a degree that Iran was freely bombing Iraq with jets and missiles up until 2002 right before Saddams collapse. Iraq was literally a playing field for Iranian intelligence, military operations. Saddam never dared to respond to the Iranian attacks ever again. So yes, the 8 years war was necessary to prove to him and the other useless Arab states that Iran as a nation will fight back, even if it takes 80 years.

Read here more about Iranian attacks on Saddam's Iraq involving jets, missiles until 2002. Saddam never dared to respond.


@camelguy
 
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Iran won the war with the powerful Operation Mersad in 1988 which brought Saddam's Iraq to its knees! All the rest are lying and ignoring service speculation. Saddam has never replied to this great operation which shakes all of Iraq and the whole world.

Iran won the war whether you like it or not
 

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Iran won the war with the powerful Operation Mersad in 1988 which brought Saddam's Iraq to its knees! All the rest are lying and ignoring service speculation. Saddam has never replied to this great operation which shakes all of Iraq and the whole world.

Iran won the war whether you like it or not
There was no real military victor. Iran won in the sense that it kicked out the invading Iraqi army and shifted the battlefield to Iraqi lands for the next 6 years. Other than that, it was a waste of lives, money and resources. But it had to be done.. the 8 years war happened exactly because of a reason. Iran had to show that it will not back down and even fight the whole world if it had to when it comes to Iran's integrity and independence. It had to show that a second ''Qadisiyah'' would never happen again.. Iran stood against Iraq and all other Arab countries like a firm fortress. Not a single inch of Iranian land was up for negotiations. And today Iran is making sure that not a single Arab state, including even Egypt, can dare to be a threat to Iran.
 

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Yes yes.... all Khomainis fault.... nothing to do with the retarded murderes Saddam Starting the war.
If only this and if only that......
Do you think he should change his username from Camelguy to Camelbrain? just wondering.
First of all Saddam barely suffered, he died and so will all of us.

The ones suffering were mainly your people.

Khomeini was instigating rebellion in Iraq and attacked border posts before the war started.

Saddam would've never invaded Iran had you remained with the Shah. Not because America is up his ***, Saddam never was bright when it comes to challenging superpowers. He wouldn't give two shits about your Shah having better weapons he doesn't think that far.

Khomeini is a sob who caused a lot of death. Akhoonds deserved a nuke. Anyway our Shia retards are enjoying the Iranian *** in their face, perhaps both of you majoos will one day clean these two cunt countries.
1. Your comments are disgusting and revisionist.
2. Its a disgrace you're a saddam apologist.
3. You prefer to talk about Iran and Iraq's history, because you know in current times, Iraq is a nobody and also is IRan's B*tch.

Saddam died like a Rat, and he made Iraq worse- look at IRaq today. end of story!
 
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If he wasn’t able to occupy Kuwait in 1991 what makes you think the West would allow him to occupy in 1984? The West would have destroyed his military just like they did in PG War I. So your point is in invalid.

And 1982 ceasefire and 1988 ceasefire are basically the same terms. So all that happened during that 6 years was alot more Iranians dead and damage to Iranians economy.

Anyone that argues for more war based on pride and arrogance rather than facts on the ground is filled with childish thinking.

Khomeini had zero military credentials/experience and went against the advice of his inner circle in continuing the war.




Yeah and it was made for the fact that Iran didn’t accept the UN ceasefire in 1982 and 6 years later was basically force to accept the reality of 88 ceasefire which was the same ceasefire from 6 years prior.

All the extension of the war did was result in much more men and civilians dead and massive damage to Iranian economy.

Anyone who argues that the extension of war was beneficial or how Iran was attacked and had to teach Saddam a “lesson” is nothing more than a keyboard warrior thinking with arrogance and pride who doesn’t understand the gravity of war.

Many Iranian men never got to live a long life because of Khomeini’s highly unwise decision to continue a war it had no chance of winning (the West and Arabs weren’t going to allow Iran to takeover Iraq).
I can't change history. I merely corrected you about when Khomeini quote was from.
 

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Iran had messed up Iraqi army capabilities and memories to such a degree that Iran was freely bombing Iraq with jets and missiles up until 2002 right before Saddams collapse. Iraq was literally a playing field for Iranian intelligence, military operations. Saddam never dared to respond to the Iranian attacks ever again. So yes, the 8 years war was necessary to prove to him and the other useless Arab states that Iran as a nation will fight back, even if it takes 80 years.

Read here more about Iranian attacks on Saddam's Iraq involving jets, missiles until 2002. Saddam never dared to respond.


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Lol

Iraq's military was massive in 1988. It was the Gulf war campaign of 1991 and the continuous cruise missile strikes plus no fly zones that allowed Iran to play around.

America removed Saddam, Iran couldn't
Do you think he should change his username from Camelguy to Camelbrain? just wondering.

1. Your comments are disgusting and revisionist.
2. Its a disgrace you're a saddam apologist.
3. You prefer to talk about Iran and Iraq's history, because you know in current times, Iraq is a nobody and also is IRan's B*tch.

Saddam died like a Rat, and he made Iraq worse- look at IRaq today. end of story!
Go away Nigerian

Iran is a cancer
 

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Khomeini was instigating rebellion in Iraq and attacked border posts before the war started.
Imam Khomeini didn't call on Iraqis to rebel. Some people inspired and encouraged by the Victory of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, spontaneously rose up.

Also, no border post was attacked on orders of Imam Khomeini. Saddam viewed the post-revolutionary chaos in Iran as an opportunity, separatist grouplets in Khuzestan that where being supported by Baghdad began causing problems to Iran right after the fall of the shah. And contrary to the Iraqi government, the Iranian one had no firm grip on power yet, owing to natural post-Revolution turmoil.

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And 1982 ceasefire and 1988 ceasefire are basically the same terms.
The situation was not exactly the same. In 1987, the UN Security Council for the first time passed a resolution requesting Iraq to retreat to pre-war borders ie to respect the terms of the 1975 Algiers Agreement on the Arvan Rud border delimitation; that same resolution announced the establishment of a commission to determine the aggressor. These elements were not given in 1982.

So all that happened during that 6 years was alot more Iranians dead and damage to Iranians economy.

Anyone that argues for more war based on pride and arrogance rather than facts on the ground is filled with childish thinking.

Khomeini had zero military credentials/experience and went against the advice of his inner circle in continuing the war.
The assumption that Iraq might only have sought a ceasefire in order to regroup, rearm and attack a second time was well founded. As a matter of fact, Saddam via the MKO did attack Iran again after the 1988 ceasefire. The MKO incursion, which nearly reached Kermanshah, had to be crushed in Operation Mersad. So in the early 80's, chances are that Iraq would have invaded a second time all by itself.

Also, there was no way for Iran to predict with certainty that world powers would go as far as aiding Iraq to obtain WMD and covering its widespread use of chemical weapons at the UNSC, like the US regime did by vetoing a resolution meant to condemn the attacks. Likewise, there was no evidence that Iraq's backers would supply that many weapons to Saddam as they did.

Had the terms of the ceasefire been acceptable - ie had they recognized Iraq as the aggressor and reinstituted the terms of the 1975 Algiers Agreement, then refusing it would arguably have been irrational. But given the circumstances, the decision to reject the 1982 ceasefire proposal was sound enough. Most officials in Iran did support the decision.

Yeah and it was made for the fact that Iran didn’t accept the UN ceasefire in 1982 and 6 years later was basically force to accept the reality of 88 ceasefire which was the same ceasefire from 6 years prior.
By "cup of poison", Imam Khomeini is unlikely to have meant the terms of the ceasefire. Rather, he was referring to the very fact of acquiescing to it, given that he would have preferred to continue to resist and that politicians such as Hashemi Rafsanjani pressed him to give in.

The only reason the war continued was Khomeini’s instance on exporting the revolution to Iraq and rest of the Middle East. This false narrative your pushing that he did it to weaken Saddam from future attacks never existed. The military objectives by Iran were met (defense of its territorial integrity) instead he kept the war for 6 more years and then accepted the same ceasefire begrudgingly.
Iran's war effort wasn't meant to export the Revolution. After some debates in 1979-1980, it was agreed upon that exporting the Revolution should be understood as building an exemplary Islamic Republic, which would inspire other Muslim nations to overthrow puppet regimes, or other Muslim rulers to follow in Iran's footsteps. Export of the Revolution did not imply offensive intervention for regime change elsewhere.
 
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Lol

Iraq's military was massive in 1988. It was the Gulf war campaign of 1991 and the continuous cruise missile strikes plus no fly zones that allowed Iran to play around.

America removed Saddam, Iran couldn't
We are talking about Iran's deterrence after the 8 year war. Saddam did not respond to a single Iranian attack after 1988.

About removing Saddam
Iran had 2 major military objectives. Remove the invading Iraqi forces from its soil and bring the war to Iraq. Both objectives succeeded. Removing Saddam came later in the war and was down the list of priorities. After the defeat of Iraqi army inside Iran the war became somewhat unpopular.. the main objective was always the freeing of Iranian land from the invaders. When that was accomplished there was no real driving force anymore. Remember, majority of the war was fought inside Iraqi territory.

And Iran is not really responsible for the low IQ and lack of political skills from Iraqi leaders. Iraqis destroyed their country with their own hands.
 

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