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DARPA makes a lot of things that never end up getting adopted. They are a R&D Branch.

The major problem with this concept is a C-130 is extremely vulnerable and all it takes is a hidden long range SAM or a interceptor with a long range BVR to fire on the C-130 and it’s over.

I support swarm UAV tactics. I think it fits well within Iran’s asymmetric ideology. Although I would support a version more akin to what Iran does. Drones that can launched from a pick up truck.

The problem US faces is trying to incorporate a swarm tactic when its fighting thousands of miles from its homeland. You need a “mothership”

But a manned mothership especially one that has a HUGE RCS like a C-130 is non starter in my opinion. Way too vulnerable.
 

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That is a lot of money no matter how you look at it.

we have no choice

the only country which has such long range fighter with high end technology is Russia,

China is out of picture our technological manufacturing has same level but better quality than China so...

even if U.S offer us F-16 it is point less because of we need long range high altitude fighter high speed which can carry heavy payload


in another word nuclear striker, we are using SU-24 at monent as reaction force so ........

so we have no other choise
 
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we have no choice

the only country which has such long range fighter with high end technology is Russia,

China is out of picture our technological manufacturing has same level but better quality than China so...

even if U.S offer us F-16 it is point less because of we need long range high altitude fighter high speed which can carry heavy payload


in another word nuclear striker, we are using SU-24 at monent as reaction force so ........

so we have no other choise
@yavar

How confident are you Russian will not again screw this deal like they did with the S-300?

We have learnt in history, many times, that russia is a very unraliable partner, they cheated many times on Iran

Syria is still waiting for the YAK-130 they signed with russia ~ 10 years ago

+ lets not forget the joint Russia-Iran Fighter Jet Project which russia left because of the engines

+ the pressure from Israel/USA will be imense

Lets hope that Iran will be able to reverse engineer the engine, avionics, airframe... within 10 years after delivery of the first SU-35 and we may see an better, "iranian" SU-35 in the future..
 
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We have learnt in history, many times, that russia is a very unraliable partner, they cheated many times on Iran
That was in a different era, under different circumstances and different leaders. Now Russia and Iran are strategic partners and Iran has build enough of an independent military capability and can choose Chinese warplanes over Russian ones. Iran has the luxury now to pick and choose between at least 2 providers instead of 10+ years ago. And if the rumor is true, $7 billion dollars is something that Russia cannot afford to miss.
 

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4 Su-35 squadrons are needed at the Esfahan airbase in the center of Iran.
They have the range to reach any area in Iran where IADS is under such pressure that support in necessary.

They need to fly from the central airbase with max. distance from dangerous border regions very fast to any border region. They need to have Russian air to air weapons, as well as long range BVR weapons such as the Masqood (follow on to the Fakkur).

Just take away the force from a U.S concentrated airpower attack on an IADS front sector at superior speeds and fuel reserves.

Two more squadrons for Hamedan for Tehran protection would not be bad too.
 

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4 Su-35 squadrons are needed at the Esfahan airbase in the center of Iran.
They have the range to reach any area in Iran where IADS is under such pressure that support in necessary.

They need to fly from the central airbase with max. distance from dangerous border regions very fast to any border region. They need to have Russian air to air weapons, as well as long range BVR weapons such as the Masqood (follow on to the Fakkur).

Just take away the force from a U.S concentrated airpower attack on an IADS front sector at superior speeds and fuel reserves.

Two more squadrons for Hamedan for Tehran protection would not be bad too.
PEED, you have always praised the unconventional and innovative and cost efficient way sepah has achieved strategic military goals. For bombing and surveillance we have now efficiently replaced the need of manned aircraft with various types of missiles, rockets and other unmanned systems. Isn’t the best option to keep investing in domestic production and produce an unmanned multi Mach interceptor? We have all technological enablers on high TRLs. Personally I hope to never see Iran wasting billions on buying off the shelf legacy systems.
 

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PEED, you have always praised the unconventional and innovative and cost efficient way sepah has achieved strategic military goals. For bombing and surveillance we have now efficiently replaced the need of manned aircraft with various types of missiles, rockets and other unmanned systems. Isn’t the best option to keep investing in domestic production and produce an unmanned multi Mach interceptor? We have all technological enablers on high TRLs. Personally I hope to never see Iran wasting billions on buying off the shelf legacy systems.
We still are not there yet in terms of engines. So such a interceptor is still at least a decade away.

In the meantime F-14s are not available in sufficient numbers to generate the required interceptor sortie rate.

Its all about taking concentrated airpower pressure away from IADS weakspots. If we have this, defensive level will increase significantly. Its a investment worth it.
 

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Iran's technological manufacturing same level as China ? WHAT ? I'm sorry but I can't agree on that. China actually builds stealth fighter jets and aircraft carriers and has a large network of military and communication satellites in space. Iran has quite a ways to go until it gets on par with China. You could argue that Iran's issue is its limited budget but still they're way ahead.

In any case Russia is closer to Iran and has better quality than China, so it makes sense to turn to Russia in regards to cooperation on weapons production and technology transfers.

Iran's military has come a long way in a short period of time and it is rather remarkable but still the airforce needs a large number of modern fighter jets. Iran's ground forces, Iran needs to acquire a better tank cannon, better sensors, perhaps a technology transfer on modern tank motor. Iran can produce some things but the quality is not on par with Russia, so why not cooperate with them ?

Russia did screw around with the S-300, however that was because the of the UN restrictions. Trump has now completely failed to extend the weapons embargo against Iran and if Iran actually buys a large number of weapons, not like 20 jets or a token amount, but 100-200, Russia will not say no. Of course Iran should at the most only put down a small down payment until the fighter jets are received however I doubt there will be any issues this time.

we have no choice

the only country which has such long range fighter with high end technology is Russia,

China is out of picture our technological manufacturing has same level but better quality than China so...

even if U.S offer us F-16 it is point less because of we need long range high altitude fighter high speed which can carry heavy payload


in another word nuclear striker, we are using SU-24 at monent as reaction force so ........

so we have no other choise
 

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UAV's will probably never completely replace pilots. A UAV can be hacked but a pilot is never going to follow instructions to bomb his own troops.

Iran probably would have lost the war in the 80's if not for the F-14's alone. They saved Iran's skies. Iran's airforce needs an influx of fighter jets and modern technology. What is Iran going to do build F-5's while it's adversaries have access to 6th generation fighter jets in the future ? It's not fair to Iran's skilled and dedicated pilots. They deserve the best or something modern.

For decades Iran has tried to begin mass producing it's own fighter jet but the Shafaq, Qaher never made it past display models or technology demonstrators. Realistically the best Iran has been able to do is to produce 20-40 F-5 knockoffs. It's still a remarkable achievement considering the sanctions and the F-5 is a great workhorse but it cannot be a frontline fighter jet.

Iran can build it's own jets but realistically Iran's airforce is badly in need ofan influx of modern, cutting edge technology. Fighter jets are only meant to last what 20-30 years ? 40-50 is really pushing it. Many of Iran's jets are on their last legs. Iran can either produce F-5's to supplement it's airforce or purchase a large number of SU-27's,SU-30's, with technology transfers hopefully SU-35's and if a miracle were to occur SU-57's.

I'm still skeptical but only time will tell.

PEED, you have always praised the unconventional and innovative and cost efficient way sepah has achieved strategic military goals. For bombing and surveillance we have now efficiently replaced the need of manned aircraft with various types of missiles, rockets and other unmanned systems. Isn’t the best option to keep investing in domestic production and produce an unmanned multi Mach interceptor? We have all technological enablers on high TRLs. Personally I hope to never see Iran wasting billions on buying off the shelf legacy systems.
 

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