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Arminkh

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yes some times they do call it training / close support fighter jet you could be right but then you said it your self he talk with secrecy there is no secret about Kowsar 88 they already unveiled it but they said we will see Qaher 313 first flight this year so it add up with Qaher 313 more i think, but again, he talked with secrecy.
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Pictures of some parts of the body of the MiG 29UB and F4E fighters built by Iran Air Force.


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Pictures of some parts of the body of the MiG 29UB and F4E fighters built by Iran Air Force.


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Yea it's pretty obvious that the planes that are flying right now in iran have almost no original parts fixed on them, because there is no F-4 that its parts have such a long lifetime of more than 50 years. And these iranian planes flying now just prove that Iran can handle everything by itself and doesnt need any foreign help, ofc if the government doesnt constantly reduce the military budget. But still it's a huge achievement to get while being sanctioned for 40 years, and this also means that iran has definitely upgraded the air frames with new technologies like it has done to the F-4.
 

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Yea it's pretty obvious that the planes that are flying right now in iran have almost no original parts fixed on them, because there is no F-4 that its parts have such a long lifetime of more than 50 years. And these iranian planes flying now just prove that Iran can handle everything by itself and doesnt need any foreign help, ofc if the government doesnt constantly reduce the military budget. But still it's a huge achievement to get while being sanctioned for 40 years, and this also means that iran has definitely upgraded the air frames with new technologies like it has done to the F-4.


agreed, but we have to remember there is only so much you can do for them they are old, just the engines if we can fully support them they will be good to go for another 20 years.
 

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agreed, but we have to remember there is only so much you can do for them they are old, just the engines if we can fully support them they will be good to go for another 20 years.

Most engine parts of the aircrafts iran has are being made locally, or else the planes wont fly anymore, and now that they have announced that they will soon be able to make aircraft engines means that this problem is being solved. The only thing left is to acquire new medium to long range air to air missiles to arm the F-14s, upgraded F-4s and F-5s and the kowsar plane if it ever enters mass production, and any new future fighters. If iran can gain a PL-12 or a R-77 and reverse engineer and upgrade it then that would be really good.
 

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Most engine parts of the aircrafts iran has are being made locally, or else the planes wont fly anymore, and now that they have announced that they will soon be able to make aircraft engines means that this problem is being solved. The only thing left is to acquire new medium to long range air to air missiles to arm the F-14s, upgraded F-4s and F-5s and the kowsar plane if it ever enters mass production, and any new future fighters. If iran can gain a PL-12 or a R-77 and reverse engineer and upgrade it then that would be really good.

we built long range air to air missiles to arm the F-14s, its name is Fakour_90 its range is between 200 to 300 km but for our F4s we need another one as you said and yes we need to upgrade our F5s to Kowsar level.


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Top General: Iran on Verge of Self-Sufficiency in Making Aircraft Engines


Iran is going to become fully self-sufficient in producing aircraft engines, Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Hossein Baqeri said.


Baqeri said development of the technical know-how to make engines began with the local production of a number of simple components, adding that Iran is now on the verge of manufacturing the engines of modern jets and helicopters and achieving full self-sufficiency in developing such systems.



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I really hope that Iran buys Su-35s for it's Air Force. The IRIAF, has the talent pool of fighter pilots worthy of an aircraft such as the Su-35s. Iran needs to build it's Air Force around lethal fighters and it doesn't get more lethal than Su-35.
 

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we built long range air to air missiles to arm the F-14s, its name is Fakour_90 its range is between 200 to 300 km but for our F4s we need another one as you said and yes we need to upgrade our F5s to Kowsar level.


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Top General: Iran on Verge of Self-Sufficiency in Making Aircraft Engines


Iran is going to become fully self-sufficient in producing aircraft engines, Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Hossein Baqeri said.


Baqeri said development of the technical know-how to make engines began with the local production of a number of simple components, adding that Iran is now on the verge of manufacturing the engines of modern jets and helicopters and achieving full self-sufficiency in developing such systems.



https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...f-self-sufficiency-in-making-aircraft-engines

Yea I knew about this missile, but the problem of it is that it can only be used by the F-14 and nothing else because it's too big. Still it's a very capable missile, but that doesnt mean that the airforce doesnt need a light weight medium to long range air to air missile, because if iran can acquire such a missile, it can lead its F-14s with even more missiles than fakours or aim 54s.

I really hope that Iran buys Su-35s for it's Air Force. The IRIAF, has the talent pool of fighter pilots worthy of an aircraft such as the Su-35s. Iran needs to build it's Air Force around lethal fighters and it doesn't get more lethal than Su-35.

Imo, iran doesnt have to buy planes, instead they should work on their own plane, they have the knowledge on how to design planes, and they have been overhauling their aircrafts and keeping them air worthy for all this time, and on top of that, they have heavily upgraded some of them. All this just means that iran is more than capable of producing it's own planes, they just need money and a little but of time and support, which the government doesnt want to give them at all. But buying a production line for an aircraft like the mig 29smt would be actually a good idea, because iran already operates mig 29s, and they are capable of keeping them air worthy and overhauling and upgrading them, so instead of buying g another aircrafts, they can buy the production line of an upgraded version of their own aircrafts and then use that extra knowledge to build a bigger and better plane. By doing that, they will just add a new fighter type to their airforce which would be the fighter they develop, instead of having 2 types added, which would be the su 30 or 35 and their own design, which would reduce costs and make the production of spare parts easier, as well as overhauling the aircrafts would be easier and less time consuming.
 

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Yea I knew about this missile, but the problem of it is that it can only be used by the F-14 and nothing else because it's too big. Still it's a very capable missile, but that doesnt mean that the airforce doesnt need a light weight medium to long range air to air missile, because if iran can acquire such a missile, it can lead its F-14s with even more missiles than fakours or aim 54s.



Imo, iran doesnt have to buy planes, instead they should work on their own plane, they have the knowledge on how to design planes, and they have been overhauling their aircrafts and keeping them air worthy for all this time, and on top of that, they have heavily upgraded some of them. All this just means that iran is more than capable of producing it's own planes, they just need money and a little but of time and support, which the government doesnt want to give them at all. But buying a production line for an aircraft like the mig 29smt would be actually a good idea, because iran already operates mig 29s, and they are capable of keeping them air worthy and overhauling and upgrading them, so instead of buying g another aircrafts, they can buy the production line of an upgraded version of their own aircrafts and then use that extra knowledge to build a bigger and better plane. By doing that, they will just add a new fighter type to their airforce which would be the fighter they develop, instead of having 2 types added, which would be the su 30 or 35 and their own design, which would reduce costs and make the production of spare parts easier, as well as overhauling the aircrafts would be easier and less time consuming.

I am curious to know why the Iranian government is not funding acquisition of new fighter jets? It doesn't make any sense at all. If Iran can reach an agreement the Russian Federation on a production line for MiG-35 or Su-35. Then it would make sense, since they have a strong aviation industry that is capable of absorbing ToT. Su-35s are ideally suited to Iran's strategic geographical depth.
 

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I am curious to know why the Iranian government is not funding acquisition of new fighter jets? It doesn't make any sense at all. If Iran can reach an agreement the Russian Federation on a production line for MiG-35 or Su-35. Then it would make sense, since they have a strong aviation industry that is capable of absorbing ToT. Su-35s are ideally suited to Iran's strategic geographical depth.

1) Arms Embargo

2) Russia refuses to supply SU-35

3) Iran wants partial or full transfer of tech, Russia refuses even for SU-30

4) IRGC don’t believe an air force is valuable (hold much more power over senior leadership than regular military).
 

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1) Arms Embargo

2) Russia refuses to supply SU-35

3) Iran wants partial or full transfer of tech, Russia refuses even for SU-30

4) IRGC don’t believe an air force is valuable (hold much more power over senior leadership than regular military).

Well the first 3 points are true, but I guess that the deal will happen at 2020 when some of the sanctions are lifted.
For the 4th, when i said the government I mean Rouhani, as he has reduced both IRGC and the normal military budgets significantly over the years he was in office. And the IRGC actually needs some jets but not fighters, mostly strike and cas jets to support its troops, that's why its using su 22s and UCAVs now, but they believe that air superiority should be achieved by both the regular air force and the air defences.
 

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