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Not sure how you reached that conclusion. Accuracy and success rate based on what?
Let's suppose a cruise missile flies for 200 KM before entring enemy territory, to reach its target. It will have more success rate since it has flown for 8% of its defined capability. This distance will be increased to 2000 KM if enemy's A2/AD capability exceeds more than 1800 KM. Iranian long range radars stationed in Persian Gulf will have more time to detect and counter it.
Let's make an other assumption which is far from reality, USA has developed hypersonic CMs for its naval fleet. There is however no evidence that USA has such capability but even if true the longest range of an scramjet powered hypersonic cruise missile at the moment doesn't exceed more than 2000 KM.

The longest range of Tomahawk missiles are 2500 KM ones. The missile has to Fly for 2000 KM from the mother ship/base in order to hit its target, it means 80% of its fuel is wasted to avoid Iranian A2/AD capability. In this scenario the success rate of a cruise missile will be at its lowest.
 

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More over when a Tomahawk flies for 2000 KM avoiding Iranian A2/AD, Iranian defense systems will have more time to jam that cruise missile. Even if USA uses BGM-109 version it still cannot resist against Iranian EW assets for 2000 KM. That was why i said that its accuracy will be reduced also.
 

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More over when a Tomahawk flies for 2000 KM avoiding Iranian A2/AD, Iranian defense systems will have more time to jam that cruise missile. Even if USA uses BGM-109 version it still cannot resist against Iranian EW assets for 2000 KM. That was why i said that its accuracy will be reduced also.
EW doesn’t work based on range. EW works based on EW spheres.

Meaning that if the enemy has maps/Intel that show where you are placing heavy EW zones then they would try to avoid those areas when trying to strike the target if possible.

There is no device in the world that has EW ranges up to 2000KM.
 

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EW doesn’t work based on range. EW works based on EW spheres.

Meaning that if the enemy has maps/Intel that show where you are placing heavy EW zones then they would try to avoid those areas when trying to strike the target if possible.

There is no device in the world that has EW ranges up to 2000KM.
And i didn't claim that we have 2000 KM EW assets. We might have, we might not have it.

As navy admiral pointed out, Sahand naval ship has strong EW assets. If you supposed that Tomahawk will freely Fly towards Iranian shores without being countered by the Navy then i have to disappoint you.

About EW assets, remember when Russians paralyzed incerlik airbase in a blink of an eye. Iran has been working on EW systems for decades now, Americans must be waiting for nasty surprise in that case.
Because we are not laying and making pompous and bully claims.


Example....
Man, try to be an innovative troll. You are being pathetic. 😂😂
 

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The same tards were making fun of Iran´s homemade S-300 manufacturing claims, and laughing at the muckups that were shown in the parades.....

Then Iran´s unvailed the Bavar 373, and all the tards got lost....
 

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Because we are not laying and making pompous and bully claims.


Example....
So your example is a mockup of a project? This is how developments works, you start off from design stage and move onward. You see when you rely on your own development instead of importing almost everything, things are more complicated.

Qaher is an ongoing R&D project, such things take time, i.e decades.

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Here is the American have blue project, which led to the F-117:

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Or the recent British Tempest:

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Then again, you're probably aerodynamically illiterate and do not understand the stages of development in the military sector. Iran is one of the last country you can question when it comes to such a thing given it has not only developed many military hardware already, but has shown them in practise. Ask your Saudi friends:

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So your example is a mockup of a project? This is how developments works, you start off from design stage and move onward. You see when you rely on your own development instead of importing almost everything, things are more complicated.

Qaher is an ongoing R&D project, such things take time, i.e decades.

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Here is the American have blue project, which led to the F-117:

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Or the recent British Tempest:

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Then again, you're probably aerodynamically illiterate and do not understand the stages of development in the military sector. Iran is one of the last country you can question when it comes to such a thing given it has not only developed many military hardware already, but has shown them in practise. Ask your Saudi friends:

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Again morphed photos and tall claims.
 

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One more personal insult and I will start issuing infractions. I don't care who starts it, use the report function.
 

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Let's suppose a cruise missile flies for 200 KM before entring enemy territory, to reach its target. It will have more success rate since it has flown for 8% of its defined capability. This distance will be increased to 2000 KM if enemy's A2/AD capability exceeds more than 1800 KM. Iranian long range radars stationed in Persian Gulf will have more time to detect and counter it.
Let's make an other assumption which is far from reality, USA has developed hypersonic CMs for its naval fleet. There is however no evidence that USA has such capability but even if true the longest range of an scramjet powered hypersonic cruise missile at the moment doesn't exceed more than 2000 KM.

The longest range of Tomahawk missiles are 2500 KM ones. The missile has to Fly for 2000 KM from the mother ship/base in order to hit its target, it means 80% of its fuel is wasted to avoid Iranian A2/AD capability. In this scenario the success rate of a cruise missile will be at its lowest.
Sorry but long range radars won't help if the cruise missiles can avoid them in the first place by flying low. It cannot see over the horizon because of the curvature of the earth. You can see high flying planes and missiles, but not very low to the ground. And considering the radars will be destroyed, wouldn't help much even with just a warning. You only saw aircraft and missiles from thousand km away, they can change directions.

The U.S. is developing hypersonic missiles that will be launched from surface ships and submarines, especially the new Block 5s. It won't be far from reality. Not to mention launching from aircraft.









B-1B bomber modified to carry hypersonic missiles

 

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Sorry but long range radars won't help if the cruise missiles can avoid them in the first place by flying low. It cannot see over the horizon because of the curvature of the earth. You can see high flying planes and missiles, but not very low to the ground. And considering the radars will be destroyed, wouldn't help much even with just a warning. You only saw aircraft and missiles from thousand km away, they can change directions.
Cruise missiles are intended to avoid radars yes by flying low but i was not talking about OTH radars. The precise radars such as Ghadir with 1600 KM range can detect low flying cruise missiles. The radar is specifically designed for that purpose.

The U.S. is developing hypersonic missiles that will be launched from surface ships and submarines, especially the new Block 5s. It won't be far from reality. Not to mention launching from aircraft.
Any evidence that USA posssesses these hypersonic missiles? Any video of testing phase? Any sign of its existence? No, you are talking about R&D phase. In that regard, Iran is working on a 3500 KM anti ship ballistic missile. Iran is working on ship based radars that will be deployed to IRGC transformed ships, Iranian war ships will use VLS air defenses. So please Stop talking about the R&D.

That flying coffin B52 or B1 that you are boasting about are nothing but moving targets for our air defenses. Not to mention that all of military bases Hosting them are well within range of Iran’s missiles.
 

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Iran absolutely shocked the US defense establishment when it downed their 150 million state of the art "invisible" drone. they were certain it was not something within Iranian capabilties.

are there people here still questioning Irans ability to deal with cruise missiles? I sincerely hope american military planners are equally stupid.

Iran is reaching a point where its no longer about detterence. incase of a war, it has the capability to anahilate every single country that hosts american assets. anahilate the US navy out of the persian gulf and away from Iranian shores

and i am almost certain at this point that IRan also has a plan to deal with deigo garcia.

this means Iran is no longer thinking of detterence. but outright victory. i just do not see how the US would not suffer a complete humiliation if it attacked (unless it immidiatly went nuclear)

The US simply cannot bring the full weight of its military close to Iran to be able to fight effectively. Iran fighting on its home soil has a tremendous advanatge
 

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