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Discussion in 'Strategic & Foreign Affairs' started by Devil Soul, Jul 18, 2015.

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    The only difference is we won't be dealing in veg samosas - the commodity is most likely oil and minerals and Delhi and north India aren't the destination points for it - rajasthan Gujarat Maharastra tamil Nadu kerala and Karnataka for e.g....rather it's the ports lining up India's sea face that are the destination..that will end up being way cheaper by sea compared to by land over Pakistan.



    P.s. I know where the butt hurt for pakistanis lie. .It isn't about the chahbahar port or Iran's association @PatriotLover it's about losing the only available leveruage vis a vis India and that is connectivity with central Asia via pakistan.

    @The Last of us @Serpentine @haman10

    Oil, natural gas and minerals are far cheaper to export over sea than land.
     
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    Then GOOD LUCK to India using Iran as they first Load their Containers in India then they would Unload them in Iran and then Transport via Roads of 1000 KMs all the way to Most Disturbed South Regions of Afghanistan due to Insurgency and Finally it reaches to Kabul. Guess what its way more Costly then Pakistan's Route but only if Pakistan ALLOWS India to Access.

    Dont count on Consulates now in Afghanistan because Disturbing Baluchistan its also not in Iran's Favor as they also have Baluch Problem in Sistan which could SPARKED as well due to increase of Baluch Terrorists Group Activities in Pakistan. So Iran would be highly Unlikely to ALLOW India to Ignite Baluch Issues in Pakistan at least.
     
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    The Chinese trade through Gwadar will eclipse Indian trade through Chahbahar.And if imports and exports to Middle east is concerned then they wouldn't trust Iran.So that will also go through Gwadar.Just today Iranian supreme leader said that despite signing of nuclear agreement,Iran and America cannot have bonhomie as they are competing in the region against each other.So that means America will still trust Pakistan for maintaining its influence in the region.Pakistan doesn't mind if India does trade of few billion dollars through Chahbahar,coz they would be busy counting the mullah coz of trade through Gwadar.I heard Ruskies are also interested in Gwadar.
     
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    There is just too many kids in this forum. Son why would you want to drag oil or gas from Central Asia. Iran itself is one of the largest reserves of oil and gas so I can't see Iranian helping you to import oil from Kazak oilfield or Turkmen gas fields when Iran itself has huge quantities of those very commodities?

    And that "samosa" was just light hearted comment to illustrate what I was trying to convey and not be be taken too seriously.

    Also I look at Chah Bahar and Gwadar as win win for both Iran and Pakistan. We both can benefit and is good for Iranian Balochistan and Pak Balochistan.
     
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    Chicha. .explain me this...why is India spending or planning to spend 8 billion or more on a port, railway network, road connectivity all the way up to central Asia?..I am sure it's not for the samosas or the..whatever it is besides the oil and minerals that central Asia exports...its an energy corridor...as in constant supply of energy..also minerals.

    What do you think the Chinese want to use pakistani roads and ports for? To import dates from Arabia or to export their "anything for a dollar" chinese products through CPEC? Naah..its for oil and gas...again an energy corridor.

    It's to ensure energy supplies from getting bottlenecked in the malacca straits...and for us..an access to energy supplies from central Asia..
     
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    Sir. I would like to correct you on this point. Iran will produce a set output. Why?

    1. Supply side infrastructure limitation - It suggests initially oil production would be low, as this infrastructure improves and more oil fields are utilized the production would increase but only to a certain point because of oil pricing dynamics

    2. Oil Prices: There is already a downward pressure on oil prices and entrance of Iran into market would lead to a further drop. Now for operations to remain profitable it's not conducive to let oil prices fall below 35-30 USD which would prevent Iran, Russia and OPEC from endlessly increasing the supply. Basic economics dictate more the supply at a constant demand lesser the price.

    Now assuming Iran produces X barrels of oil, it would have customers like India, Pakistan, China etc with whom it would have contracts to provide that X amount. This is in addition to domestic requirements which would certainly increase.

    Ofcourse there would be adjustments depending on daily, weekly or monthly demand analysis.

    In any case Iran would not supply it's total oil output to one Country like India but would diversify it's market across the spectrum to prevent a set-back in case Iran-India relationship sours or due to some other factor India is not able to buy Iranian Oil. So in a nutshell India would account only for a set percentage of Iranian Oil.

    Now India would have to buy the balance oil from either C. Asia or OPEC to which Iran would not object.

    Hope I have not made it too complicated.

    Thanks
     
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    6 months of the year blocked due or snow..transgressing thousands of kilometers through some of the highest mountain ranges. ..compared to a route through a stable country like Iran compared to a highly volatile country like Pakistan? ..The Iranian chahbahar option looks more practical.
     
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    This looks more like a desperate attempt to downplay Gwadar port and the economic corridor. Not going to work.
     
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    My friend in kabul doesnt want veg samosa. By the way eid mubarak janab
     
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    Maybe they both had their way.
     
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    Bad news for Pakistan!
    After loss of Karzai, axis of evil was in great need for sustained supply of arms to terrorists, operating in Pakistan and region.