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I don't care about western news and analysis, they even called Iranian missile launch against ISIS in Syria a failure.
after all, their latest B.S from their most credible military sources is the Qiam theory, which they even bothered to present a painted barrel as their proof!



Your answer is in your own quote:
An analysis by Jane’s concluded that though it is possible these are derived from North Korean or Iranian technology, they are most likely local modifications.
why you try to twist everything?

An analysis by Jane’s concluded that though it is possible these are derived from North Korean or Iranian technology, they are most likely local modifications.
 

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why you try to twist everything?

An analysis by Jane’s concluded that though it is possible these are derived from North Korean or Iranian technology, they are most likely local modifications.
from the beginning I said clearly that we gave them the missile tech, I didn't even say that we designed their missiles, so of course when you have the tech, you can modify it and in 2 years build something that countries like Iran or Pakistan (which didn't have it) built after more than a decade.

but their production remains depended on our tech and delivery (smuggling) of the parts (just like their drone program).
 

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I've seen on the net but I can not understand it can you shed a light on it?

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How do these key "identifiers" compare to the Scud-C? Qiam is a modified Scud-C that has an aluminum airframe (does it?) replacing the original steel structure. If the missile intercepted near Riyadh is made from aluminum, then it is very likely Iranian made; if not, from DPRK.​
 

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I've seen on the net but I can not understand it can you shed a light on it?

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How do these key "identifiers" compare to the Scud-C? Qiam is a modified Scud-C that has an aluminum airframe (does it?) replacing the original steel structure. If the missile intercepted near Riyadh is made from aluminum, then it is very likely Iranian made; if not, from DPRK.​
this can't be from the missile because Qiam warhead separate from the missile body several hundred km away from the target and they could not find it at Riyadh.
 

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this can't be from the missile because Qiam warhead separate from the missile body several hundred km away from the target and they could not find it at Riyadh.
So if it was intercepted over Riyadh then the missile didn't have a separable warhead while Qiam warhead is separable and if it had separable warheads then Saudis are lying that it was intercepted over Riyadh ...
Either ways Saudi are lying.
But as far as it obvious that the missile was intercepted over Riyadh then it proves that it wasn't Qiam.


from the beginning I said clearly that we gave them the missile tech, I didn't even say that we designed their missiles, so of course when you have the tech, you can modify it and in 2 years build something that countries like Iran or Pakistan (which didn't have it) built after more than a decade.

but their production remains depended on our tech and delivery (smuggling) of the parts (just like their drone program).
You know , my problem is what Saudis are showing as the Iranian missile debris. that's make me angry that they're fabricating evidence.

Moreover:

Yemen Confirms Russia, Korea's Assistance to Increase Range, Precision-Striking Power of Missiles

TEHRAN (FNA)- Spokesman of the Yemeni Army Brigadier General Sharaf Luqman announced that the country has received assistance from Russia and Korea to boost the range and precision-striking power of its missiles.
"We have used (experiences) of the Russian and Korean experts to develop the range and precision-striking power of missiles," Luqman said.

He added that the ballistic Borkan H2 missile which hit King Khalid airport in Northeastern Riyadh was just a "warning shot".

"The missile hit the area outside the premises of King Khalid airport while the Yemeni army's missile unit could even target the airport's halls but it didn’t to prevent civilian casualties," Luqman said.

"We will intensify our attacks if the Saudi enemy continues aggression against the Yemeni nation," he warned.

The Yemeni Army confirmed on Sunday that it targeted Saudi Arabia’s Malik (King) Khalid international airport in Riyadh with a long distance Borkan H2 ballistic missile.

"Our Yemeni forces succeeded in launching a missile, a Borkan H2 long distance missile, at the King Khalid international airport in Northeastern Riyadh which was in response to the massacres committed by the US-Saudi coalition in Yemen,” Colonel Aziz Rashed, a Spokesman for the Yemeni army, said early on Sunday.

“This comes in order to even out power between the coalition and Yemen, who have been attempting to fight more than one country in the past three years," he added.
 

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You know , my problem is what Saudis are showing as the Iranian missile debris. that's make me angry that they're fabricating evidence.
but I see it as their level of desperation and makes me laugh.

Yemen Confirms Russia, Korea's Assistance to Increase Range, Precision-Striking Power of Missiles

TEHRAN (FNA)- Spokesman of the Yemeni Army Brigadier General Sharaf Luqman announced that the country has received assistance from Russia and Korea to boost the range and precision-striking power of its missiles.
"We have used (experiences) of the Russian and Korean experts to develop the range and precision-striking power of missiles," Luqman said.

He added that the ballistic Borkan H2 missile which hit King Khalid airport in Northeastern Riyadh was just a "warning shot".

"The missile hit the area outside the premises of King Khalid airport while the Yemeni army's missile unit could even target the airport's halls but it didn’t to prevent civilian casualties," Luqman said.

"We will intensify our attacks if the Saudi enemy continues aggression against the Yemeni nation," he warned.

The Yemeni Army confirmed on Sunday that it targeted Saudi Arabia’s Malik (King) Khalid international airport in Riyadh with a long distance Borkan H2 ballistic missile.

"Our Yemeni forces succeeded in launching a missile, a Borkan H2 long distance missile, at the King Khalid international airport in Northeastern Riyadh which was in response to the massacres committed by the US-Saudi coalition in Yemen,” Colonel Aziz Rashed, a Spokesman for the Yemeni army, said early on Sunday.

“This comes in order to even out power between the coalition and Yemen, who have been attempting to fight more than one country in the past three years," he added.
First I thought it's a new comment!
It's just a mistranslation, followed by personal interpretation of the writer.
comment of the spokesman has huge amphibology, so I will ignore it.
هشدار ارتش یمن به شرکت‌های هواپیمایی درباره حضور در فرودگاه‌های عربستان و امارات
 

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from the beginning I said clearly that we gave them the missile tech, I didn't even say that we designed their missiles, so of course when you have the tech, you can modify it and in 2 years build something that countries like Iran or Pakistan (which didn't have it) built after more than a decade.

but their production remains depended on our tech and delivery (smuggling) of the parts (just like their drone program).

فرمانده سپاه: ایران به یمن "کمک مستشاری" می‌کند
https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1396/09/02/1581804/فرمانده-سپاه-ایران-به-یمن-کمک-مستشاری-می-کند
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/04/world/middleeast/saudi-missile-defense.html

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    MIDDLE EASTThe official story was clear: Saudi forces shot down a ballistic missile fired by Yemen’s Houthi rebel group last month at Saudi Arabia’s capital, Riyadh. It was a victory for the Saudis and for the United States, which supplied the Patriot missile defense system.

    “Our system knocked the missile out of the air,” President Trump said the next day from Air Force One en route to Japan, one of the 14 countries that use the system. “That’s how good we are. Nobody makes what we make, and now we’re selling it all over the world.”

    But an analysis of photos and videos of the strike posted to social media suggests that story may be wrong.

    Instead, evidence analyzed by a research team of missile experts appears to show the missile’s warhead flew unimpeded over Saudi defenses and nearly hit its target, Riyadh’s airport. The warhead detonated so close to the domestic terminal that customers jumped out of their seats.


    Estimated trajectory

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    Saudi officials did not respond to a request for comment. Some U.S. officials cast doubt on whether the Saudis hit any part of the incoming missile, saying there was no evidence that it had. Instead, they said, the incoming missile body and warhead may have come apart because of its sheer speed and force.

    The findings show that the Iranian-backed Houthis, once a ragtag group of rebels, have grown powerful enough to strike major targets in Saudi Arabia, possibly shifting the balance of their years-long war. And they underscore longstanding doubts about missile defense technology, a centerpiece of American and allied national defense strategies, particularly against Iran and North Korea.

    “Governments lie about the effectiveness of these systems. Or they’re misinformed,” said Jeffrey Lewis, an analyst who led the research team, which shared its findings with The New York Times. “And that should worry the hell out of us.”

    The Missile
    Shooting down Scud missiles is difficult, and governments have wrongly claimed success against them in the past.



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    The missile, seen in this video released by the Houthis, is believed to be a Burqan-2, a variant of the Scud missile used throughout the Middle East. It traveled about 600 miles.

    Saudi and American officials have accused Iran of supplying the Houthis with the missile, a charge that Tehran denies. A recent United Nations report found evidence that the missile had been designed and manufactured by Iran, according to a Security Council diplomat. Reuters first reported the U.N. findings.

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    Mr. Lewis and the other analysts, based mostly at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in Monterey, Calif., were skeptical when they heard Saudi Arabia’s claim to have shot it down.

    Governments have overstated the effectiveness of missile defenses in the past, including against Scuds. During the the first Gulf War, the United States claimed a near-perfect record in shooting down Iraqi variants of the Scud. Subsequent analyses found that nearly all the interceptions had failed.

    Had it failed in Riyadh as well? The researchers scraped social media for anything posted in that area and time frame, looking for clues.

    The Debris
    The pattern of missile debris littering Riyadh suggests missile defenses either hit the harmless rear section of the missile or missed it entirely.


    Just as the Saudis fired off missile defenses, debris began to fall in downtown Riyadh. Video posted on social media captured one particularly large section, which landed in a parking lot next to the Ibn Khaldun School.

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    Other videos show scraps that fell at a handful of other locations clustered in a roughly 500-yard area along a highway.

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    Saudi officials said the debris, which appears to belong to a downed Burqan-2, showed a successful shootdown. But an analysis of the debris shows that the warhead components – the part of the missile that carries the explosives – were missing.


    Engine

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    The missing warhead signaled something important to the analysts: that the missile may have evaded Saudi defenses.

    The missile, in order to survive the stresses of a roughly 600 mile flight, was almost certainly designed to separate into two pieces once near its target. The tube, which propels the missile for most of its trajectory, falls away. The warhead, smaller and harder to hit, continues toward the target.


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    This would explain why the debris in Riyadh only appears to consist of the rear tube. And it suggests that the Saudis may have missed the missile, or only hit the tube after it had separated and begun to fall uselessly toward earth.

    Some U.S. officials said there was no evidence the Saudis had hit the missile. Instead, the debris may have broken up under the pressures of flight. What the Saudis presented as evidence of their successful interception may have simply been the missile ejecting its tube as intended.

    The Location of the Explosion
    A blast 12 miles away at Riyadh’s airport suggests the warhead continued unimpeded toward its target.


    At around 9 p.m., about the same time debris crashed in Riyadh, a loud bang shook the domestic terminal at Riyadh’s King Khalid International Airport.

    “There was an explosion at the airport,” a man said in a video taken moments after the bang. He and others rushed to the windows as emergency vehicles streamed onto the runway.

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    Another video, taken from the tarmac, shows the emergency vehicles at the end of the runway. Just beyond them is a plume of smoke, confirming the blast and indicating a likely point of impact.

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    A Houthi spokesman said the missile had targeted the airport.

    There’s another reason the analysts think the warhead flew past the missile defenses. They located the Patriot batteries that fired on the missile, shown in this video, and found that the warhead traveled well over the top of them.

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    Saudi officials have said that some debris from the intercepted missile landed at the airport. But it is difficult to imagine how one errant piece could fly 12 miles beyond the rest of the debris, or why it would detonate on impact.


    The warhead passed over the Saudi missile defense unit.

    Estimated trajectory of warhead

    Estimated trajectory

    of missile body

    Missile defense

    Trajectories estimated by David Wright, Union of Concerned Scientists
    The Impact
    Smoke and ground damage suggest the warhead struck near the airport’s domestic terminal.


    Imagery of the emergency response and a plume of smoke also reveal information about the nature of the impact.

    A photo of the plume taken from a different location on the tarmac appears consistent with plumes produced by similar missiles, suggesting the explosion was not an errant piece of debris or an unrelated incident.


    Riyadh airport



    Daraya, Syria

    By identifying buildings in the photo and video, Mr. Lewis’s team was able to locate the spots from which the images were taken, revealing the precise location of the plume: a few hundred yards off of runway 33R, and about a kilometer from the crowded domestic terminal.


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    The blast was small, and satellite imagery of the airport taken immediately before and after the blast is not detailed enough to capture the crater from the impact, the analysts said.

    But it does show ground damage from the emergency vehicles, supporting the finding that the warhead hit just off the runway.

    While the Houthis missed their target, Mr. Lewis said, they got close enough to show that their missiles can reach it and can evade Saudi defenses. “A kilometer is a pretty normal miss rate for a Scud,” he said.

    Even the Houthis may not have realized their success, Mr. Lewis said. Unless they had intelligence sources at the airport, they would have little reason to doubt official reports.

    “The Houthis got very close to creaming that airport,” he said.

    Laura Grego, a missile expert at the Union of Concerned Scientists, expressed alarm that Saudi defense batteries had fired five times at the incoming missile.

    "You shoot five times at this missile and they all miss? That's shocking,” she said. “That's shocking because this system is supposed to work.”

    Analysis by Melissa Hanham, Jeffrey Lewis, David Schmerler and Nate Taylor of the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, and David Wright, Union of Concerned Scientists. James Acton of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and Laura Grego of the Union of Concerned Scientists reviewed the analysis.

    Rick Gladstone contributed reporting. Additional work by Neil Collier, Derek Watkins, Barbara Marcolini and Rob McDonagh.




 

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guys do you know what a missile booster is? cause certainly nobody in Saudi kingdom knows that!
:argh::argh::argh: | :lol:

Footage broadcasted by the military media army of the Houthi militia in Yemen showing the launch of a missile they claimed targeted Abu Dhabi actually exposed their falsehoods as the video shown the missile clearly splitting when it rose and fell in Yemeni territories, according to several sources speaking to Al Arabiya.
Footage exposes false claims over Houthi cruise missile ‘targeting Abu Dhabi’[URL='http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/12/04/Footage-exposes-false-claims-over-Houthi-cruise-missile-targeting-Abu-Dhabi-.html'] - Alrabiya[/URL]
 

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