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Like Iran used the Iraqi Mirages. thanks to no one.


also the "use" is a funny word, considering Iraqi fighters used to enter Iran, on a routine time and place and flight path, hundreds of kilometers deep inside Iran, our radars could very well see them too, but only F5 were sent to engage.
i see how effective we used them , at least name a plane we actually used in any meaningful form
and when Iraqi fighters managed to do that ? the simple answer is when our airforce ran out of spares , and smuggling spares become hard. it was after war that we managed to produce spares in meaningful amount
before that as long as we had spare parts or airplane to cannibalize our technician managed to made air force flight worthy .
now answer it if as you say before revolution our technician were not allowed to go near those airplanes how after the revolution they were so proficient maintaining them , but they never showed such proficiency with the airplane you mentioned AKA Mirage f1

There was this reference I found in a book that the F-14 spare parts Iran had in it's inventory were locked within a vault with a series of complicated locks.

When the Revolution happened, the Americans who knew how to open it fled and Iran was left with parts it couldn't access until it finally forced open the safe.
honestly, let be serious and discuss the matter in rational form, by the way give me some c-4, thermite or some capsule of acetylene and i open the vault without damaging anything inside
 

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now answer it if as you say before revolution our technician were not allowed to go near those airplanes how after the revolution they were so proficient maintaining them , but they never showed such proficiency with the airplane you mentioned AKA Mirage f1
It's not "as I said", but "as airforce staff said".

The most restrictions were on F14, otherwise our crew had a long experience with F4 and F5 already, even through trial & error and against their guarantee terms.

We didn't even know how to fly the mirages, and we had no maintenance tools for them as well. so naturally it took longer to make them operational.
 
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OK guys..here is first hand info about how things were when Iran was buying Hardware from US (I was there and faced the issue! ) ..sorry for being off topic

We (Iranians) were not allowed to change anything in the original design of the hardware although the hardware was ours and we paid for them (makes sense..change something and hardware does not work as intended and reputation of company that produced the hardware gets affected) we do it with our hardware when we sell them as exports now.

Maintenance was done strictly by the books and procedures...Americans had an oversight on everything.

We even tried to modify (fix) a hardware that had problem working properly..activity was shut down fast.

The spare parts issue...As far as I remember the military inventory was controlled by early computer systems (this was late 1970..used mainframe or mini computers..yes you can laugh! ..) Americans crashed the system..took all the tapes and left..Iranians had to catalog and ID millions of parts by hand..but they did it..
Simulators: short circuited and destroyed the huge UPS systems that converted Iran's 220 volts 50 HZ to 120 60 HZ north american power system.

War started and Iranians had to learn fast..They did..and the rest is history..:azn::azn:

Be ready to face the same issues if we buy anything from outside..+ the "kill switch" issue that I see no solution for!!!
 

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so you claim iran could not operate them without usa assistance ,I say iran managed to operate them in war without usa assistance . how islamic republic in one night manage to do that ? explain it to me.

Absent American assistance, Iran would not have been able to operate them after a while if it wasn't for the Islamic Republic's efforts to indigenize maintenance capabilities.

US regime authorities routinely made the assessment that much of Iran's fleet of fighter jets would be grounded shortly. That's because they knew what they had supplied Iran with, and what they hadn't. The fact that they were proven wrong on numerous occasions is evidence to the Islamic Republic's own achievement in keeping them flightworthy.

One famous such instance occurred in the late 1990's or early 2000's, when Iran flew a large constellation of Tomcats over Tehran during a national event (22 Bahman or so), whereas US regime officials days or weeks earlier had once again claimed that Iran's F-14 fleet had been reduced to a smaller number due to lack of spare parts and cannibalization. The episode had been highlighted back in the day by authors such as Tom Cooper. This whole aspect of history is in fact common knowledge by now, and I'm puzzled as to how one could even try to rewrite it.

Also there are numerous documented examples outside the Iranian context illustrating how the US regime treats its vassals in terms of weaponry supplies and associated infrastructure. As any imperial power, it will keep them dependent upon itself. This is established as well, and suggestions to the contrary would be simply preposterous.

Quran is not subject to ijtihad, and Quran text on being prepared for war and acquiring weapon of war to defend your self is clear and leave no place for any more interpretation .

The notion that the Sunnah is the only source of derivation for ahkam is an Akhbari one.

As far as Usulis are concerned:

1. The first view pertains to the majority of Imamiyyah jurisprudents of the Ja'fari school. They maintain that the Book, the Sunnah, ijma ‘ (consensus), and ‘aql (reason) constitute the sources of ijtihad.


It depends on what one means by interpretation. Yes if something is stated explicitly in the Holy Qur'an, then there will be no room for interpretation. But nuclear weapons by definition aren't explicitly mentioned, and the point about them is that they are not really supposed to be used but to generate MAD deterrence.

Personally I will keep going with the opinion of qualified scholars. If they maintain that nuclear weapons including their acquisition are haram, I will embrace this view, and so will I if they introduce an exception.

they have flew for 2-3 years with the spare that come with them.my question is not if those spares could last 1 year , two year a decade,? i ask if Iran technicians were not allowed to maintain the airplanes before the war how come they managed to do so after the war start.

Makes no difference, the point is that the US regime will keep its vassals dependent in this regard, whether through maintenance teams or spare part supplies. Spare parts are an integral aspect of maintenance. When we say a fighter jet could not have been maintained domestically, it can mean there would not have been any spare parts available to keep it flightworthy.

but right now you said something about the necessity of time , why there is such necessity right now at the time of sleepy joe but there was not such necessity at the time of khatami for example ? does it have anything to do with their party

The point is clear. Of course, at the beginning of Khatami's presidency, liberals had not yet succeeded in imposing this sort of a deal on Iran. Then, after they had used their popular mandate to pressure the system into giving in to their demands, the revolutionary core of nezam let them walk into the trap laid by western powers they are so apologetic about. This in turn damaged their legitimacy and disillusioned the Iranian public about striking agreements with the west.

Which is why the revolutionary administration of Raisi is firmly defending Iran's positions in the ongoing negotiations, while knowing full well that this will most probably lead to a failure of the JCPOA because the west is not willing to provide any sort of a guarantee that the US shall actually abide by its commitments. So now that the Islamic Republic is not accepting a flawed deal, the necessity of time argument (i.e. of temporarily accepting an unbalanced agreement) no longer applies.

what's the difference ?
and ratify what , the other country around Caspian sea are extracting the resource under sea bed as by this dividing they took places that were at most 50m deep , our share become only places that are 900+m deep.
`wonder what you have taught about it if it was not Ahmadinejad handiwork , the guy who didn't knew Iran flag is green not blue
you can say i didn't ratify it for next 100 year , change the fact that its happening right now.

Bahrein was considered to be part of Iran because it sent representatives to the Iranian Majles. There's no equivalent for the Caspian Sea.

Iran under the shah officially recognized Bahrein's independence. But the Islamic Republic did not ratify the convention on the legal status of the Caspian Sea.

Thirdly, the convention does not state that parties have unequal rights regarding the depth of resources.
 
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OK guys..here is first hand info about how things were when Iran was buying Hardware from US (I was there and faced the issue! ) ..sorry for being off topic

We (Iranians) were not allowed to change anything in the original design of the hardware although the hardware was ours and we paid for them (makes sense..change something and hardware does not work as intended and reputation of company that produced the hardware gets affected) we do it with our hardware when we sell them as exports now.

Maintenance was done strictly by the books and procedures...Americans had an oversight on everything.

We even tried to modify (fix) a hardware that had problem working properly..activity was shut down fast.

The spare parts issue...As far as I remember the military inventory was controlled by early computer systems (this was late 1970..used mainframe or mini computers..yes you can laugh! ..) Americans crashed the system..took all the tapes and left..Iranians had to catalog and ID millions of parts by hand..but they did it..
Simulators: short circuited and destroyed the huge UPS systems that converted Iran's 220 volts 50 HZ to 120 60 HZ north american power system.

War started and Iranians had to learn fast..They did..and the rest is history..:azn::azn:

Be ready to face the same issues if we buy anything from outside..+ the "kill switch" issue that I see no solution for!!!

Thank you dear friend for these reminders stemming from first hand experience. These carry particular weight in the present discussion format. Indeed everything was done to keep the Iranian military structurally dependent on its western suppliers. After the Revolution, the Islamic Republic had to quickly adopt a lot of know how autonomously.

In the realm of information warfare, quantity and repetition is key. The facts you describe are firmly established aspects of the contemporary history of Iran. They have tended to constitute common knowledge among Iranian military enthusiasts. But as you can see, it's enough to stay passive for just a brief moment, and immediately the enemy will fill the discursive vacuum with its propaganda, rewrite history to whitewash the USA regime. Some Iranians will inevitably be misled.

They will forget about the 20th century genocide of their people (compare this with how certain other genocides are remembered), the humiliating subservience of Iran under the Pahlavis, but will make a mountain out of a mole regarding some delay in S-300 deliveries by Russia, while staying oblivious to how conditions have changed since then, especially since the latest crisis in Ukraine... It's akin to some permanently lasting Stockholm syndrome that needs continuous treatment.

So even if the truth looks to be generally admitted, one must never cease repeating it over and over again. Especially in an age of deficient collective memory fostered by information technology / "social media", cultural alienation and social dislocation. Especially if your enemy is the zio-American empire with its virtually unlimited resources in the propaganda and psy-ops departments.

This is highly important now that the international system is undergoing change at an accelerated pace, that rivals to the global hegemon are rising and that Iran is enjoying a brilliant opportunity to benefit from these developments. The slightest act of cooperation between Iran and Russia / China will weigh disproportionately in the global balance, just look at how mad it makes NATO powers. Expect increased incitement against Russia and China aimed at Iranian audiences, coupled with increasingly apologetic narratives about the treatment of Iran at the hands of western imperialists prior to the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

But as in the past, Iran's existential enemies are doomed to fail. In many ways, the task has been made easier for Iran because like the current conflict in Ukraine has proven once again, the ability of propaganda and psychological warfare to generate their own reality is rapidly waning.
 
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Absent American assistance, Iran would not have been able to operate them after a while if it wasn't for the Islamic Republic's efforts to indigenize maintenance capabilities.

US regime authorities routinely made the assessment that much of Iran's fleet of fighter jets would be grounded shortly. That's because they knew what they had supplied Iran with, and what they hadn't. The fact that they were proven wrong on numerous occasions is evidence to the Islamic Republic's own achievement in keeping them flightworthy.

One famous such instance occurred in the late 1990's or early 2000's, when Iran flew a large constellation of Tomcats over Tehran during a national event (22 Bahman or so), whereas US regime officials days or weeks earlier had once again claimed that Iran's F-14 fleet had been reduced to a smaller number due to lack of spare parts and cannibalization. The episode had been highlighted back in the day by authors such as Tom Cooper. This whole aspect of history is in fact common knowledge by now, and I'm puzzled as to how one could even try to rewrite it.

Also there are numerous documented examples outside the Iranian context illustrating how the US regime treats its vassals in terms of weaponry supplies and associated infrastructure. As any imperial power, it will keep them dependent upon itself. This is established as well, and suggestions to the contrary would be simply preposterous
that's not the question if Islamic republic did its share to produce the parts or not as a matter of fact Islamic republic before the start did its most to sabotage army equipment .
to the extent that commander of army in khuzestan left his post and went directly to mr. khomeyni and directly explained to him have basij and committees with the support of officials in western province are are destroying army equipment and if it continue the army can't defend the country in case of war and this sabotage continued till mr khomeini put an end to it.
i knew you probably deny it , but its the fact that around the half of army fighting capabilities in khuzestan were destroyed by those basij and committee force in 58-59 .
but that aside what is important is usa force left iran after revolution but iranian technician managed to use and maintain those equipment you guys claim USA advisors and technician didn't allowed Iranian go near them . how its possible.
Bahrein was considered to be part of Iran because it sent representatives to the Iranian Majles. There's no equivalent for the Caspian Sea.
when at the time of Karim-Khan Zand ?
at the time 2/3rd of Caspian sea belonged to us
Iran under the shah officially recognized Bahrein's independence. But the Islamic Republic did not ratify the convention on the legal status of the Caspian Sea.
under the shah he took the islands of Persian gulf , he could not get bahrein back and bahrein was not part of Iran for around 180y at the time
its the history of it if you are interested we ruled Bahrain at the time of safavide and afsharide we lost its control over Bahrain to Bani Utbah Arabs of Zubarah from the Qatar coast in 1783 . in 1822 Shiraz Vali come to an agreement with them to Bahrain be part of Iran and they be under Iran protection but in 1851 British empire took the island and made it their protectorate tanks to qajar inactivity , by the way we had two sit in parliament for bahrain but i wonder when was the last time they occupied
 

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that's not the question if Islamic republic did its share to produce the parts or not as a matter of fact Islamic republic before the start did its most to sabotage army equipment .
to the extent that commander of army in khuzestan left his post and went directly to mr. khomeyni and directly explained to him have basij and committees with the support of officials in western province are are destroying army equipment and if it continue the army can't defend the country in case of war and this sabotage continued till mr khomeini put an end to it.
i knew you probably deny it , but its the fact that around the half of army fighting capabilities in khuzestan were destroyed by those basij and committee force in 58-59
If you want to blame someone for the Army losing fighting capability due to sabotage, blame the son of a whore and karkasparast Shapur Bakhtiar and his gaggle of mongrels who carried out the Nojeh coup attempt (whom you tacitly sympathize with, though you'd never dare openly support them).

They were the ones who in particular went for the tanks and armoured vehicles, rendering most of them inoperable...and just months afterwards, iraq attacked along that very front.

Hm, coincidence? More like cohen-cidence.
 

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If you want to blame someone for the Army losing fighting capability due to sabotage, blame the son of a whore and karkasparast Shapur Bakhtiar and his gaggle of mongrels who carried out the Nojeh coup attempt (whom you tacitly sympathize with, though you'd never dare openly support them).

They were the ones who in particular went for the tanks and armoured vehicles, rendering most of them inoperable...and just months afterwards, iraq attacked along that very front.

Hm, coincidence? More like cohen-cidence.
yeah they were the one now . and that after the start of the war. well I'm not aware of any sabotage after the war , that's interesting can you point me to that . and you are aware that by insulting the one that did the sabotage you actually insulting the people who you don't like to insult , the ones i mentioned.

i wonder how people are so vocal about what they call zarif treason ,but never open their mouth about that treason
 

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yeah they were the one now . and that after the start of the war. well I'm not aware of any sabotage after the war , that's interesting can you point me to that . and you are aware that by insulting the one that did the sabotage you actually insulting the people who you don't like to insult , the ones i mentioned.

i wonder how people are so vocal about what they call zarif treason ,but never open their mouth about that treason
Nojeh coup was before the war began, my dear "But Muh-!"

Get your time-line straight first, please.

And besides, I can't help but notice how you edged in unrelated shit into an article that has to do with a satellite launch...something you do on multiple occasions.

What gives? Did Tirana get you on the phone or is this just you doing what comes to you naturally?
 

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Nojeh coup was before the war began, my dear "But Muh-!"

Get your time-line straight first, please.

And besides, I can't help but notice how you edged in unrelated shit into an article that has to do with a satellite launch...something you do on multiple occasions.

What gives? Did Tirana get you on the phone or is this just you doing what comes to you naturally?
say that to the people that did the sabotage , I'm sure at the time they didn't received their command from Tirana , guess where it come from

by the way bakhtiar always was a nobody a 3rd or 4th rank person in national movement . shah wanted to put one from national front there all the top persons in the movement refused , the nobody opportunist accepted
and it come there because somebody said Islamic republic have a problem to strengthen the army i pointed no the program was to weaken it until the war started.
and if you want throw a stone at somebody house be careful you yourself is not living in a crystal palace . first come to Iran then talk about call from Tirana.

by the way i taught you said the sabotauge happened after the war that was i showed surprise to your word
 

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say that to the people that did the sabotage , I'm sure at the time they didn't received their command from Tirana , guess where it come from

by the way bakhtiar always was a nobody a 3rd or 4th rank person in national movement . shah wanted to put one from national front there all the top persons in the movement refused , the nobody opportunist accepted
and it come there because somebody said Islamic republic have a problem to strengthen the army i pointed no the program was to weaken it until the war started.
and if you want throw a stone at somebody house be careful you yourself is not living in a crystal palace . first come to Iran then talk about call from Tirana
Yeah, the command came from Bakhtiar, the faux French and ex-Resistance fighter cunt.

Simply put, everyone in the Army was given a choice both before and during the war - you are free to stay and be loyal or are allowed to leave. Many went one of the two ways but you had these scumbags who decided to weaken the system from inside and they were the reason the Nojeh plot even went as far as they did.

I live in no glass palaces, mister. You however live in Lala-land. Snap out of it and THEN we can talk.
 

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Yeah, the command came from Bakhtiar, the faux French and ex-Resistance fighter cunt.
Bakhtiar commanded the basij and comitee members to do the sabotage ? that's a new one ?
Simply put, everyone in the Army was given a choice both before and during the war - you are free to stay and be loyal or are allowed to leave. Many went one of the two ways but you had these scumbags who decided to weaken the system from inside and they were the reason the Nojeh plot even went as far as they did.
who gave you such impersion

It's not "as I said", but "as airforce staff said".

The most restrictions were on F14, otherwise our crew had a long experience with F4 and F5 already, even through trial & error and against their guarantee terms.

We didn't even know how to fly the mirages, and we had no maintenance tools for them as well. so naturally it took longer to make them operational.
we still don't have armed mirages , they just fly , land and consume limited air-force budget for maintenance . i say Saddam sending them to Iran was his last act of revenge against Iran.
 

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