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none-export, PLAAF, radar images are very hard to find. there are more of the export radars.

but there are some things we can infer.

This is the SY-80 for the j-7, its pretty much the same visually to the KLJ-6E which itself is similar visually to the KLJ-6F
As you can see, its pretty small, because of the limitations of the radar dome for the j-7/mig-21 , one of the reason why china builts the j-8 with the intakes at the side allowing for a bigger radar.
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KJL-7, with a clearly far larger size than what can fit on the j-7
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KLJ-7A , diameter is going to be roughly the same as the kjl-7, because its for the same plane.

testing in a Y-7 test plane
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with the cover on
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LKF-601E, which lost against the KJL-7A

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earlier KLJ-3 on the first models of the j-10A

KLJ-3
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it isnt confirmed what the KLJ-10/A looks like but there are some images

j-10B, people thought this was PESA, but later chinese published media said its ASEA. this might be the KLJ-10
notice that the nose was entirely redesigned and flattened, this design then carried over to the j-10C
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Later this popped up, which is where people got the 1200 T/R count for the j-10C from, it states that this is gen 1.5 of chinese AESAs from NRIET, the middle one being gen 2 for j-16 and bottom one being gen 3 for j-20(also where people got 1800+ T/R for the j-20 from). while this radar is clearly the one on the j-10B image but we have no reason to think the j-10C would have a lesser count.
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Regardless, most think this is a image of the j-10C radar which should be the KLJ-10A, it would have benefited from the development of the j-16 and j-20 radars.
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still waiting on your proof that the su-35 in chinese hands has something other the the Ibris-E

Thanks alot.

What do you think is this one? We know it's Chinese and proper BVR capable but it was never disclosed which exact radar from the Chinese sources equips IRIAF F-4E.

It was revealed as Baynaat Fire control SAR radar with close to 150 km range.

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Thanks alot.

What do you think is this one? We know it's Chinese and proper BVR capable but it was never disclosed which exact radar from the Chinese sources equips IRIAF F-4E.

It was revealed as Baynaat Fire control SAR radar with close to 150 km range.

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i remember there was talk about this one in 2018? maybe?

of course nothing concrete, just internet rumors at best.

people were saying (i think) its similar to the JH-7A radar set (and the jh-7 does a similar job to the F-4). which is the JL-10A radar and would mean 70-80km range which was good for BVR missiles like the PL-12 or equivalent of and air to ground munitions.
this was also a pulse-Doppler radar not a ESA.


the one you showed should also be a pulse-doppler, ESA radars tend to be thick and/or have fin-like bits coming out the front.

like this:
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Following the unveiling of the Iranian Air Force's Kowsar twin engine light fighter in August 2018, and the initiation of mass production of the aircraft three months later, the Iranian military has announced its readiness to export the combat platform to friendly states. The showcasing of the fighters to potential buyers during an airshow on Kish Island was reportedly intended to demonstrate not only the capabilities of Iranian military aviation, but also the potency of the Kowsar to potential buyers. Brigadier General Abdoklarim Banitarafi, head of Iran Aviation Industries Organization, announced at the airshow’s opening ceremony regarding the Koswar: “We have already taken the necessary steps to export products that we are authorised to sell” - which he specified would include the export of fighters.

While the Kowsar is far from the first fighter jet to be produced by Iran, it is the first to enter mass production.

The platform is closely based on the F-5E Tiger II, acquired from the United States in the 1970s, and is prized for its versatility, cost effectiveness and low maintenance requirements.

While modernised variants of the F-5 continues to be deployed widely by U.S. defence clients, including Switzerland, Taiwan, Singapore and Thailand, the Kowsar is reportedly considerably more capable than the original American made platform.

The fighter makes use of high end sensors and avionics, and according to some analysts it may deploy the country’s lethal edge Fakour 90 long range anti aircraft missiles - an advanced derivative of the American AIM-54 which would give the fighters a longer air to air engagement range than any other combat aircraft in the Middle East.

According to General Banitarafi, Iran has already reached export agreements with China, Russia and Indonesia.

While Chinese and Russian acquisitions of Iranian fighters remains extremely unlikely, it is possible that the countries are supplying radar, avionics or missile technologies for the fighters which will be exported by Iran to third parties - much as China has done for the Pakistani JF-17 fighters.

With Indonesia modernising its air fleet with the acquisition of Su-35 air superiority fighters from Russia, the Kowsar could play a key role in expanding the country’s light fighter fleet and support existing squadrons of the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

A number of African states, possibly Sudan which formerly operated the F-5, have also been highlighted as potential future clients.

The Kowsar may also be marketed to Middle Eastern clients such as Lebanon or Syria - a less costly alternative to extra regional light fighters such as the MiG-29, J-10, F-16 and JF-17.

The marketing of the Kowsar for export could provide much needed extra revenues to the Iranian defence sector, and mark the beginning of its emergence as a military aviation power - albeit a minor one.
lol I hope this is a joke.

Iran is not known for manufacturing.
 

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Following the unveiling of the Iranian Air Force's Kowsar twin engine light fighter in August 2018, and the initiation of mass production of the aircraft three months later, the Iranian military has announced its readiness to export the combat platform to friendly states. The showcasing of the fighters to potential buyers during an airshow on Kish Island was reportedly intended to demonstrate not only the capabilities of Iranian military aviation, but also the potency of the Kowsar to potential buyers. Brigadier General Abdoklarim Banitarafi, head of Iran Aviation Industries Organization, announced at the airshow’s opening ceremony regarding the Koswar: “We have already taken the necessary steps to export products that we are authorised to sell” - which he specified would include the export of fighters.

While the Kowsar is far from the first fighter jet to be produced by Iran, it is the first to enter mass production.

The platform is closely based on the F-5E Tiger II, acquired from the United States in the 1970s, and is prized for its versatility, cost effectiveness and low maintenance requirements.

While modernised variants of the F-5 continues to be deployed widely by U.S. defence clients, including Switzerland, Taiwan, Singapore and Thailand, the Kowsar is reportedly considerably more capable than the original American made platform.

The fighter makes use of high end sensors and avionics, and according to some analysts it may deploy the country’s lethal edge Fakour 90 long range anti aircraft missiles - an advanced derivative of the American AIM-54 which would give the fighters a longer air to air engagement range than any other combat aircraft in the Middle East.

According to General Banitarafi, Iran has already reached export agreements with China, Russia and Indonesia.

While Chinese and Russian acquisitions of Iranian fighters remains extremely unlikely, it is possible that the countries are supplying radar, avionics or missile technologies for the fighters which will be exported by Iran to third parties - much as China has done for the Pakistani JF-17 fighters.

With Indonesia modernising its air fleet with the acquisition of Su-35 air superiority fighters from Russia, the Kowsar could play a key role in expanding the country’s light fighter fleet and support existing squadrons of the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

A number of African states, possibly Sudan which formerly operated the F-5, have also been highlighted as potential future clients.

The Kowsar may also be marketed to Middle Eastern clients such as Lebanon or Syria - a less costly alternative to extra regional light fighters such as the MiG-29, J-10, F-16 and JF-17.

The marketing of the Kowsar for export could provide much needed extra revenues to the Iranian defence sector, and mark the beginning of its emergence as a military aviation power - albeit a minor one.
if it isn't BVR capable then I'm afraid getting customers would be difficult. most nations that have air worthy adversaries normally are in bvr competition. PAF and IRIAF need to join in and start a new 5th gen fighter project.
 

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Following the unveiling of the Iranian Air Force's Kowsar twin engine light fighter in August 2018, and the initiation of mass production of the aircraft three months later, the Iranian military has announced its readiness to export the combat platform to friendly states. The showcasing of the fighters to potential buyers during an airshow on Kish Island was reportedly intended to demonstrate not only the capabilities of Iranian military aviation, but also the potency of the Kowsar to potential buyers. Brigadier General Abdoklarim Banitarafi, head of Iran Aviation Industries Organization, announced at the airshow’s opening ceremony regarding the Koswar: “We have already taken the necessary steps to export products that we are authorised to sell” - which he specified would include the export of fighters.

While the Kowsar is far from the first fighter jet to be produced by Iran, it is the first to enter mass production.

The platform is closely based on the F-5E Tiger II, acquired from the United States in the 1970s, and is prized for its versatility, cost effectiveness and low maintenance requirements.

While modernised variants of the F-5 continues to be deployed widely by U.S. defence clients, including Switzerland, Taiwan, Singapore and Thailand, the Kowsar is reportedly considerably more capable than the original American made platform.

The fighter makes use of high end sensors and avionics, and according to some analysts it may deploy the country’s lethal edge Fakour 90 long range anti aircraft missiles - an advanced derivative of the American AIM-54 which would give the fighters a longer air to air engagement range than any other combat aircraft in the Middle East.

According to General Banitarafi, Iran has already reached export agreements with China, Russia and Indonesia.

While Chinese and Russian acquisitions of Iranian fighters remains extremely unlikely, it is possible that the countries are supplying radar, avionics or missile technologies for the fighters which will be exported by Iran to third parties - much as China has done for the Pakistani JF-17 fighters.

With Indonesia modernising its air fleet with the acquisition of Su-35 air superiority fighters from Russia, the Kowsar could play a key role in expanding the country’s light fighter fleet and support existing squadrons of the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

A number of African states, possibly Sudan which formerly operated the F-5, have also been highlighted as potential future clients.

The Kowsar may also be marketed to Middle Eastern clients such as Lebanon or Syria - a less costly alternative to extra regional light fighters such as the MiG-29, J-10, F-16 and JF-17.

The marketing of the Kowsar for export could provide much needed extra revenues to the Iranian defence sector, and mark the beginning of its emergence as a military aviation power - albeit a minor one.





no body in thier right minds...

lol I hope this is a joke.

Iran is not known for manufacturing.

eye ran is known for goat cheese and chelo kebab
 

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i remember there was talk about this one in 2018? maybe?

of course nothing concrete, just internet rumors at best.

people were saying (i think) its similar to the JH-7A radar set (and the jh-7 does a similar job to the F-4). which is the JL-10A radar and would mean 70-80km range which was good for BVR missiles like the PL-12 or equivalent of and air to ground munitions.
this was also a pulse-Doppler radar not a ESA.


the one you showed should also be a pulse-doppler, ESA radars tend to be thick and/or have fin-like bits coming out the front.

like this:
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Yes, it was concluded back then that IRIAF is trying to turn the F-4E fleet (6 squadrons I think) into JH-7A with JL-10A radars.

C-803/Qader AShCM 300 km
KH-55/Soumar Land attack CM 2000-2500 km
PL-12 for BVR

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As a Chinese person with knowledge of Chinese aviation, how do you see Iranian combat aviation preparations ... development of a BVR combat suite on Kowsar, F-4E and F-14 AM, BVR missiles etc ? We are under sanctions and IRIAF is getting minimal funds despite Iran having a military budget of close to 20 Billion USD for domestic production. Our focus is on missiles, UCAVs, Air defence and Navy. I do feel IRIAF will proper attention this year.
 

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if it isn't BVR capable then I'm afraid getting customers would be difficult. most nations that have air worthy adversaries normally are in bvr competition. PAF and IRIAF need to join in and start a new 5th gen fighter project.

93 km radar range of KLJ-6F version is BVR capable. This is just a stop-gap technology demonstrator. We are learning about building a 4.0 generation fighter plan the way we learned about missiles and UCAVS and air defense before.

As countries, we can not do anything together. Saudi Arabia and its Persia Gulf and Western allies will chew your country with economic terrorism and actual terrorism, they are quite capable of both.

lol I hope this is a joke.

Iran is not known for manufacturing.

You start from somewhere .... 20 years back we had Scud copies ... Now we have Ma-MRBM and long range CM. IRIAF will get attention this decade.


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Following the unveiling of the Iranian Air Force's Kowsar twin engine light fighter in August 2018, and the initiation of mass production of the aircraft three months later, the Iranian military has announced its readiness to export the combat platform to friendly states. The showcasing of the fighters to potential buyers during an airshow on Kish Island was reportedly intended to demonstrate not only the capabilities of Iranian military aviation, but also the potency of the Kowsar to potential buyers. Brigadier General Abdoklarim Banitarafi, head of Iran Aviation Industries Organization, announced at the airshow’s opening ceremony regarding the Koswar: “We have already taken the necessary steps to export products that we are authorised to sell” - which he specified would include the export of fighters.

While the Kowsar is far from the first fighter jet to be produced by Iran, it is the first to enter mass production.

The platform is closely based on the F-5E Tiger II, acquired from the United States in the 1970s, and is prized for its versatility, cost effectiveness and low maintenance requirements.

While modernised variants of the F-5 continues to be deployed widely by U.S. defence clients, including Switzerland, Taiwan, Singapore and Thailand, the Kowsar is reportedly considerably more capable than the original American made platform.

The fighter makes use of high end sensors and avionics, and according to some analysts it may deploy the country’s lethal edge Fakour 90 long range anti aircraft missiles - an advanced derivative of the American AIM-54 which would give the fighters a longer air to air engagement range than any other combat aircraft in the Middle East.

According to General Banitarafi, Iran has already reached export agreements with China, Russia and Indonesia.

While Chinese and Russian acquisitions of Iranian fighters remains extremely unlikely, it is possible that the countries are supplying radar, avionics or missile technologies for the fighters which will be exported by Iran to third parties - much as China has done for the Pakistani JF-17 fighters.

With Indonesia modernising its air fleet with the acquisition of Su-35 air superiority fighters from Russia, the Kowsar could play a key role in expanding the country’s light fighter fleet and support existing squadrons of the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

A number of African states, possibly Sudan which formerly operated the F-5, have also been highlighted as potential future clients.

The Kowsar may also be marketed to Middle Eastern clients such as Lebanon or Syria - a less costly alternative to extra regional light fighters such as the MiG-29, J-10, F-16 and JF-17.

The marketing of the Kowsar for export could provide much needed extra revenues to the Iranian defence sector, and mark the beginning of its emergence as a military aviation power - albeit a minor one.
I see some turks and so called moslems make fun about Iran and it s achievements. It s so ridiculous that people who are considered by europeans and the west as inferior are playing with the same language. On the opposite I am from germany and the iranians are under the moslems the only appreciated people, because mostly they are educated , they adopt fast and are successful people. I would say in general they are intelligent people compared to the other moslems anyway. Honestly Turks, Pakis are not welcomed much. They are so backward and uneducated and not open minded. It just surprise me why turks always try to look superior to other people. In all regards they are behind iran. they are so dependent on the west, economically, militaristic, technolgy and so on. Look to Turkey it does not even serve it s own turkish people how can this country be successful ? The only difference was Ataturk time and his achievements are erased from turkish life and country. Turkey will even suffer hunger ! They beg for fighter jets from the US and money from the west. Their reputation is that of begglars who always want something . No doings because of insight or believes only what can I get. Bad thing under moslem countries it s a leading country because other moslem countries are worse than it. It shows the really bad situation for the moslem countries they are really in shit and their future is bleak. I would suggest that turkey and iran should work together so that islam does not implode in the near future. Those countries are really fucked up. Turkey risk to implode itself. Guys wake up and see the realities you guys dream to much and prayers won t help. Instead mocking yourselfs stand up and get the peaces together otherwise you all end in shit and the west will not help. You want money, food from the west okay but you will pay with your blood for it
 

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Does this thing even fly or do we need to rent TATA truck for it too?
Believe me **** and Turks are ten years behind Iran. **** is now chinese slave and turkey tries to play all by begging for anything from anyone. So please be honest with yourself and stop mocking the only moslem country which tries to be independant and believes in it s doings. It s the only moslem country which stand against the west and east to support other moslem countries. Mostly the moslem countries are played off against each other by the west mostly. They need military , economic, technolgy support and are dependant from the west or china. So how can countries talk about proud when they are not independant. Turkey was a country of hope fro the rest of moslems countries it stand for modernization, constitutional state and now they can not even feed it s own people like **** anyway. It s ridiculous that those people mock iran. Stand up , stop deaming and be realistic. Islam right now it s imploding also Turkey. Get the fucking peaces as soon as possible together by working together what is left of your shitty countries to save your people. Turkey, iran and pakistan when you all combined together you will be not one Italy so you should make something from nothing I would say. And no Turks you are not welcomed by the west , they dislike you so look to other places
 

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No trolling. But do iran have the capability to mass produce this machine for export?
It will only be exported to sanctioned countries like NK right?
Also it cannot possibily be in the same class as Mig29 JF17 F16.
Is it for ground attack like replacing su 22 mig 24 types?.
What about its armaments and avionics? (In reality , Not as claimed by Government Peopaganda machines).

Any real info?
 
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No trolling. But do iran have the capability to mass produce this machine for export?
It will only be exported to sanctioned countries like NK right?
Also it cannot possibily be in the same class as Mig29 JF17 F16.
Is it for ground attack like replacing su 22 mig 24 types?.
What about its armaments and avionics? (In reality , Not as claimed by Government Peopaganda machines).

Any real info?
Someone made a feel good video on youtube and Turkish member shared it here to troll Iranians.
Nothing serious.
Its some trainer tech demonstrater project.nothing serious.
 

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Former Yugoslavia produced fighter jets 50 years ago but it went into dustbin as the country did not have domestic solution for engines.
So, firts engine then all others things will fit easily.
 

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This was started as a troll thread by an illiterate Turkish troll but turned into a good info thread.

Kowsar is one step closer towards proper 4+ generation totally domestic production (not imported parts assembly) of a local fighter jet that we can rely upon. It already has good combat capability with BVR, HMD choices, but it's just a step.

The way we went from Scuds to three staged solid IRBMs and from hand-launched RC drones to large flying wing UCAVs that enter the enemy territory without being detected tells us what is going to happen for IRIAF in the next 10-12 years.
 

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Believe me **** and Turks are ten years behind Iran. **** is now chinese slave and turkey tries to play all by begging for anything from anyone. So please be honest with yourself and stop mocking the only moslem country which tries to be independant and believes in it s doings. It s the only moslem country which stand against the west and east to support other moslem countries. Mostly the moslem countries are played off against each other by the west mostly. They need military , economic, technolgy support and are dependant from the west or china. So how can countries talk about proud when they are not independant. Turkey was a country of hope fro the rest of moslems countries it stand for modernization, constitutional state and now they can not even feed it s own people like **** anyway. It s ridiculous that those people mock iran. Stand up , stop deaming and be realistic. Islam right now it s imploding also Turkey. Get the fucking peaces as soon as possible together by working together what is left of your shitty countries to save your people. Turkey, iran and pakistan when you all combined together you will be not one Italy so you should make something from nothing I would say. And no Turks you are not welcomed by the west , they dislike you so look to other places
thank you mr butthurt
 

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