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good that Ayatollah cleared it
we many hate America policy politics and military
but american people are good and nice
 

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1-Personally I do not believe State and People are separated in the US. Most of US foreign policies has public support, and most of American do not care what happens to the rest of the world from their policies as long as their foreign policy serve their personal interest.
2- Death to America is not a good translation of what Iranian say against the US. It should be translated to " Down with USA". This is what Iranian themselves write in English.
 

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This is nothing new to us Iranians. We've known this all our lives. Unlike the west, we can separate people from policies.
Ha, I really dont believe this in the slightest, the amount of arabs/north Africans ive met who actually express their hatred for Americans and other "white" people as they often put it is huge, and you certainly cant hold back even the mildest and most trivial offence of being offended without throwing a fatwa.
 

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Ha, I really dont believe this in the slightest, the amount of arabs/north Africans ive met who actually express their hatred for Americans and other "white" people as they often put it is huge, and you certainly cant hold back even the mildest and most trivial offence of being offended without throwing a fatwa.

Are we talking about Iran or Arabs/North Africans?
 

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Then Death to Iran doesn't mean Death to Iranians too.

I don't understand how some Iranians still believe and follow this dumb Aytulla

True, just like death to Syria also means death to Assad/syrian government not the people. Same applies to western powers wanting to liberate Iran from its islamists mullahs:chilli:
 

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We're turning into pussies. Obama and the 'Occupy' jerkoffs are but a few to blame. The P.C. crowd. College profs are indoctrinating the young into leftist, ski cap-in-the-summer, backpack wearing, swing the border open assholes.:usflag:

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This is nothing new to us Iranians. We've known this all our lives. Unlike the west, we can separate people from policies.

You made a very very big mistake by taking the AMerican Diplomats hostage. It's not the revolution that's a problem- that particular incident created hardened positions that lasted for several decades.
 

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Iran's Ayatollah: 'Death to America' doesn't mean 'Death to Americans'
Published November 03, 2015
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Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. (Office of the Iranian Supreme Leader via AP, File)

Iran's supreme leader says the slogan "Death to America" is not aimed at the American people, but rather American policies.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's website says Tuesday he made the comment while meeting with Iranian students ahead of the anniversary of the takeover of the U.S. embassy in Tehran on Nov. 4, 1979. Militant students stormed the compound and took 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.

The two countries have had no diplomatic relations since then. However, current President Hassan Rouhani has made efforts to improve relations, including a landmark nuclear agreement reached with world powers this past summer.

Khamenei says the "aim of the slogan is not death to American people. The slogan means death to U.S. policies and arrogance." He says the slogan has "strong support" in Iran.



GO F^CK YOURSELF, ayatollah !!!:usflag:



This Mullah Ayatullah has been sleeping since 1979.

$tupid fundoos!
 

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Ha, I really dont believe this in the slightest, the amount of arabs/north Africans ive met who actually express their hatred for Americans and other "white" people as they often put it is huge, and you certainly cant hold back even the mildest and most trivial offence of being offended without throwing a fatwa.
based on my interaction, iranians dont hate americans as such, beyond 'americans are stupid people' narrative, which even brits will be guilty of believing. Iranians are not arabs.
 

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Of course the original slogan was screw America or *** America like still many people from across the globe say to this date , death to and down with America is a polite alternative , it's like when they call Jews "people of the book"
 

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This is nothing new to us Iranians. We've known this all our lives. Unlike the west, we can separate people from policies.
Naaah.

Ordinary people on the street cannot differentiate between the two.

Mullahs say these things for pure obfuscation.

if you want to ask me,

2015 reality is that no nation should ever shout such slogans like marg ber tootoo and marg ber poopooo

These slogans are $tupid and only belong to stone age cave man mentality.

The sooner Iranians get rid of these the better.
 

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These slogans are $tupid and only belong to stone age cave man mentality.
The mullahs know that. And they know that the fact they can say such things and get away with it underscores to Iranians that their country is a tyranny under the mullahs' control.

There is something else to it, though. Since the 1970s - even before the Shah was overthrown - the mullahs had plans for national and regional domination. They were quite sure that they could swing it (I used to talk with them on the bus) and for the most part they've succeeded. So they have a confidence in their own pronouncements and deceits that makes them very dangerous.
 

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Anyone who's been to north america realizes that there's no real functioning body of governance there and that Federal government is pure fantasy , so yes "screw america" is targeted at the americans themselves.
 

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Anyone who's been to north america realizes that there's no real functioning body of governance there and that Federal government is pure fantasy , so yes "screw america" is targeted at the americans themselves.
Then I'll have to remember, the next time I'm in a public meeting deciding about bridges and road signs, or talking to my congressman, or observing a Senate committee, than what I'm experiencing is "pure fantasy".
 

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The mullahs know that. And they know that the fact they can say such things and get away with it underscores to Iranians that their country is a tyranny under the mullahs' control.

There is something else to it, though. Since the 1970s - even before the Shah was overthrown - the mullahs had plans for national and regional domination. They were quite sure that they could swing it (I used to talk with them on the bus) and for the most part they've succeeded. So they have a confidence in their own pronouncements and deceits that makes them very dangerous.

Yeap.

Back in 70s, rabid Mullahs in the region were in fact USA's plan B against commies.

In Iran situation was much more in favor of Mullahs due to two main reasons.

1. Religious
2. "Khumsi" economics

For #1 study the stature and concept of Ayatullah in Shia Iranians
For #2 study the role of "Khums" annual contributions that allowed Mullahs to acquire huge tracts of land in Iran. .
 

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