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We need to see this bad boy tested. What a monster this is. The first stage solid fuel engine alone is 3.5 meters in diameter and 20 meters high :cheesy: And it is a 4 stage SLV, so one can imagine its full size.

Made by the powerful hands of Tehrani Moghadam and his team.
 

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babu @SOHEIL r u sure about the design of ghaem,like urs?
Here are my photogrammetric analysis on a 40 meters length, 4 stages solid propellant SLV/ICBM with ~4 meters diameter first stage.
The thrust might exceed the 1,000 tons force and the payload capability ~ 20 tons in LEO. This in correlation with hints from North Korea.


▲ 9/9/2011 satellite imagery of the Shahid Modarres Garrison facility (35°37'27.43"N 50°52'28.24"E), just before the November 12, 2011 explosion.
Photogrammetric measurements of a booster's first stage or second stage black solid propellant section indicate a ~3 meters maximum diameter, and a ~1 meter inner diameter.
This larger stage might be assembled from ~6 of these sections (~6 visible on the image).
Two ~3 meters cylinders of obviously even greater length (as indicated by the shadow) are also visible just 80 meters south at the entrance of another bulding.
Smaller stage of ~2 meters are also visible.
This smaller stage might be assembled from ~5 of these sections.



▲ 27/JUN/2011 satellite imagery of the Shahid Modarres Garrison facility (35°37'23.63"N 50°52'14.54"E), just before the November 12, 2011 explosion.
Photogrammetric measurements of a ~4 meter maximum diameter white cylinder and ~ 1.25 inner diameter, possibly a solid motor casing mold for a first stage booster.
Several brown, green and white cylinders of ~10 meters long and ~2 and ~3 meters diameters.




▲ 2012 satellite image of the ~10 meters circular exhaust's pit at the Tonghae Space Center's Launch Complex 3, suitable to support the 4.5 meters diameter solid propellant Unha-27 launcher.



▲ 9 Sept 2011 satellite imagery of the Shahid Modarres Garrison facility, solid motor static test firing site with no less than 8 horizontal static test stands in a row among others in the area that clearly show the burn mark obstructions from their gas jet firings (35°36'26.26"N 50°52'18.94"E), just before the November 12, 2011 explosion.
Photogrammetric measurements of ~60 to 90 meters ground burn mark from gas jet firings.



▲ 9 Sept 2011 satellite imagery of the Shahid Modarres Garrison facility, solid motor static test firing site with no less than 8 horizontal static test stands in a row among others in the area that clearly show the burn mark obstructions from their gas jet firings (35°36'26.26"N 50°52'18.94"E), just before the November 12, 2011 explosion.
Simulated ~40 meters Ghaem SLV scaled to the ~90 meters ground burn mark from gas jet firings, according to the rocket to flame length 1:2 ratio.


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Agreed! But The point is: does Iran want to give up its progress on nuclear technology and missiles for the sake of economical growth? This seems to be what the west is pressing Iran for while Iran thinks it can achieve both given time.

If the above is true, it means the economy is adjusting itself to the new status quo and sanctions. We should wait and see. Probably the same will appear in Russian economy. Putin predicted their economy will bounce back within 2 years.
Its not about progress in nuclear and missile technology its about independence and sovereignty which allow progress in all fields. West wants slaves not free nations and in return you can go after collecting paper as much as you wish, and you can boast how our economy is booming with pixel figures!
 

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Iranian Second Space & Strategic Rocket Launch Center

Hey dude, look at your Father Christmas's present! A first ever disclosure of the North Korean version of the Iranian "Qaem" SLV, powered by a single main engine in the first stage, with a second stage of smaller diameter, and no air fins in the first stage, thus very similar to your CGI rendering!


http://www.dprktoday.com/content/photo/2016/20160304-kp-01-7.jpg
http://www.dprktoday.com/index.php?type=42&no=1964
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http://www.xici.net/d228225918.htm
▲ North Korean version of the Iranian "Qaem" SLV. 주체105(2016)년 3월 4일

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2018 and 2019 solid propellant rocket tests caught on camera

April 2, 2019

Development of the Qaem SLV progressing at fast pace lately. February and March 2019 solid propellant rocket tests caught on camera.

3 meters resolution imagery taken from Low Earth Orbit (LEO) of activities from Imam Sadegh SLC's solid propellant static test stand.

Geolocation:



1. Static test stand at ISSLC during a 16 February 2019 test.


36°12'52.6"N 55°21'50.4"E
36.214612, 55.363987
Khar Turan National Park, Semnan Province, Iran
6977+RH Zard Abiyeh, Iran
https://www.google.com/maps/place/3...5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d36.2146116!4d55.3639868



2. Images taken 40 seconds apart, from a 16 February 2019 test.



3. Images taken 40 seconds apart, from a 16 February 2019 test.



4. Images taken 12 minutes apart, from 18 September 2018 test.



5. Images taken 12 minutes apart, from 18 September 2018 test.


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United Nations Security Council

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30 August 2019

S/2019/691

Summary

During the reporting period, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea continued to enhance its nuclear and missile programmes, although it did not conduct a nuclear test or intercontinental ballistic missile launch. Missile launches in May and July of 2019 enhanced its overall ballistic missile capabilities.

Annex 32: Strengthening the ballistic programme’s capacity

1.According to one Member State the DPRK is actively engaged in indigenous R&D and the production of missiles with solid propellant, inter alia at the industrial complex of Hamhung.
According to another Member State, there is a clear development progression from propellant for artillery rockets/SRBMs to solid propellant for ICBMs (see section 4 of this annex).

Figure I shows two similar distinctive white containers (11m x 2.40m) moving in two different areas of the Hamhung-Hungnam industrial complex. The first container moved from the location 39°49'11.81"N 127°35'17.93"E, 400m from the solid fuel propellant production facility of the Hungnam 17 Factory (39°49'27.00"N 127°35'13.55"E), as observed during the following dates in 2019: 20 February, 25 February, 1 March, 4 March, 25 March, 26 March and 3 April.

The second white container moved from location 39° 57′ 27′′ N 127° 33′ 37′′ E, at the new production area of the Chemical Material Institute CMI (production of missile casing), as observed during the following dates in 2018: 29 July, 18 August (1h56; 4h50) and 15 September. This type of white containers (11m x 2.40m) could transport rocket motor casings (wound from composite fibers).

Figure I: Similar white containers moving at the solid fuel facility (first seven pictures) and the rocket casing production facility (last four pictures)


https://web.archive.org/web/20190906005224/https://i.imgur.com//qNByLZv.png ; https://archive.fo/gRQhJ/8b302335211ac84ae7dcb101e8a64beaf76d2d74.png ; https://archive.fo/gRQhJ/8d80feee3853840119992419fd64ed3e09c3c8c6/scr.png
1. Figure I


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4. The DPRK’s BM programme is comprehensive and autonomous. Systems integration and internal synergies ensure that developments on the SRBM programme benefit MRBM/IRBM and ICBM programmes. With regard to missile engine development, according to one Member State, the DPRK’s current goal appears to be to develop a solid-fueled first stage for its ICBM. Another Member State observed the deployment of solid fueled missiles Pukkuksong-2 (KN-15) MRBM in the missile bases close to the northern border where the liquid fueled missile Nodong also remained deployed.

https://undocs.org/en/S/2019/691
https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20190906000700325?section=nk/nk



http://www.dprktoday.com/content/photo/2016/20160304-kp-01-7.jpg
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http://www.xici.net/d228225918.htm
▲ North Korean version of the Iranian "Qaem" SLV. 주체105(2016)년 3월 4일



First stage soon to be tested and unveiled!


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Maybe NK can give Iran some help on how to put a satellite >50kg into space too.

Two failed launches (2009 + 2012) then they put a 100kg sat into LEO in 2012 and a 200kg sat into LEO in the very next launch in 2016.

Iran's space programme is a bad joke in comparison. Even if by some miracle the next Simorgh launch succeeds in putting a 100kg satellite into LEO a new SLV would still be needed to put a 200kg sat into LEO to catch up with what NK achieved in 2016.
 

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Seriously, Kim Jong Un having tamed the toothless U.S. paper tiger, plays the Trump as He wishes, with a North Korean solid fuel ICBM's first stage (called Qaem in Persian) nearing its first test launch!



https://archive.fo/Yn6K0/e303b34c8e3a81e837476467d8930a195b2c6a62.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/20190906200458/https://i.imgur.com//J2KKUoW.jpg ; http://www.dprktoday.com/content/photo/2016/20160304-kp-01-7.jpg ; http://www.dprktoday.com/index.php?type=42&no=1964 ; 왕들의 궁전-만경대학생소년궁전을 찾아서 (2) ; 나어린 미술가들의 솜씨 ; 访王的宫殿--万景台学生少年宫(2) ; 儿童美术家的手艺 ; 16-03-09 10:51 ; http://www.xici.net/d228225918.htm
1. North Korean version of the Iranian "Qaem" SLV. 주체105(2016)년 3월 4일


https://archive.is/vT6sG/f308596e8de5e03236254859b534fb9762566658 ; http://web.archive.org/web/20190906...=0b16250292f1afa9264fa8e4f236a90a&oe=5DF64293 ; http://archive.fo/t3Yzs
2. Kim Jong Un having tamed the toothless U.S. paper tiger, plays the Trump as He wishes.


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What useless thread?


Iran isn't test-firing any top-quality, effective, long-range ICBM armed with MIRVs for next 15 years atleast...


Calm down, everyone.
Not 15 years, only 6! :rofl::omghaha::lol:

Then, as for an ICBM two possibilities:

• 1. The ~2 meters diameters Pukguksong-4 ICBM as an incremental step follow-up to the solid propellant Pukguksong-3 SLBM of ~1.4 meters diameters.
If the first stage is of ~4 meters length, the thrust should reach the ~30 ton-force.
By doubling the length to ~8 meters, the thrust could reach ~100 ton-force.
But we know from Iran that the length of Qaem 2nd stage should even exceed the 11 meters!


Size of the Qaem rocket as per official drawings:

• Qaem SLV first stage is 3.5 meter diameter
• 2nd stage is 2 meter in diameter
• 3rd stage is 1.7 meters in diameter
• 4th stage is 1.25 meters diameter


https://archive.ph/dfeW7/40385cd56641fc6189af511aee3d631bc41ffb2b.jpg ; https://archive.ph/dfeW7/845afbe332102019dc605c98329aa24bf288f051/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20191121180605/https://i.imgur.com/XSi5OFN.jpg ; https://archive.ph/O1a6R/aff2eb7704b1f356e4a5b58cfc47098abba0e68a.jpg ; https://archive.ph/O1a6R/9142d4cbd4b869b93dc21587ac83866dc693bd19/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20191121165206/https://i.imgur.com/RAKB8ZP.jpg
1. Official Qaem SLV drawings. Screen capture of the military.ir forum when accessed on 19th February 2019.

Meanwhile first photogrammetric measurement of the Pukguksong-4A suggest a 1.8m diameter and a length of about 9.8m, based on the Howo A7 tractor's wheel base as a baseline. Obviously, the range is above 5'000 km according to Japanese media.


https://archive.vn/SQIwB/70b88a550b502efde498993381a6d841e9ba5c02.jpg ; https://archive.vn/SQIwB/1e5c5edd66014918e4d35330fe4bb196f69c3ca9/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20201012200221/https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkJpfQ6X0AI2UQF?format=jpg&name=medium
2. First photogrammetric measurement of the Pukguksong-4A suggests a 1.8 m diameter and a length of about 9.8 m.


https://archive.vn/mqn62/5c10051969d5f1fe0ebdd1650ca42911d3d9c753.jpg ; https://archive.vn/mqn62/13cc6dceb1fbd79104c565fded7b5c2ecb049181/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20201013194817/https://i.imgur.com/PUwBIks.jpg
3. First photogrammetric measurement of the Pukguksong-4A indicates that the diameter is slightly bigger than a standing KPA soldier of ~1.70 meters.


While other OSINT analysts have measured a 2 meters diameter.

Some have also pointed out that the cable raceway missing from the paraded model could indicate a total engine length of more than 10 meters!

In conclusion this is the successor of the decade-old QAEM second stage, but with composite Kevlar Aramid wound filament airframe unlike the metal-frame Qaem. From now on, consider the Qaem program dead.

Iran will automatically switch to an all composite casing too.


This booster alone is in the class of the DF-31 ICBM first stage or CZ-11 SLV first stage.


https://archive.vn/iL5Yr/a4431a70d5f265947a23b1facb5a05333618bfbb.jpg ; https://archive.vn/iL5Yr/532c90e3236ee14b3159db98c09e76594feb4205/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20201014...acerockets_1/China/CZ-11/Versions/Sfl.big.jpg
4. DF-31 ICBM and CZ-11 (Long March 11) SLV with first stage of 2 meters diameters and ~10 meter length.

DF-31 ICBM Specifications
•Mass: 42 tons
•Length: 13.0 meters
•Diameter: 2.0 meters
•Operational range: 8'000 km/12'000 km

Long March 11 SLV Specifications
•Height: 20.8 metres
•Diameter: 2.0 meters
•Mass: 58'000 kilograms
•Payload to LEO: 700 kilograms

Again correctly preannounced back in 2016!


https://archive.fo/Yn6K0/e303b34c8e3a81e837476467d8930a195b2c6a62.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/20190906200458/https://i.imgur.com//J2KKUoW.jpg ; http://www.dprktoday.com/content/photo/2016/20160304-kp-01-7.jpg ; http://www.dprktoday.com/index.php?type=42&no=1964 ; 왕들의 궁전-만경대학생소년궁전을 찾아서 (2) ; 나어린 미술가들의 솜씨 ; 访王的宫殿--万景台学生少年宫(2) ; 儿童美术家的手艺 ; 16-03-09 10:51 ; http://www.xici.net/d228225918.htm
5. North Korean version of the Iranian "Qaem" SLV. 주체105(2016)년 3월 4일

If you want to see this thingy fly for Christmas 2020, then pray Santa Kim for Trump's defeat!


https://archive.vn/YnuxN/e6f87eea9a0b0bd49d523344196534aae968b8e2.jpg ; https://archive.vn/YnuxN/5d04c783300b41d40d070f459a57fcf3d5d9ae26/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20201014220310/https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej6QQJ2WAAEdVsm?format=jpg&name=900x900
6. Pray Santa Kim for Trump's defeat!






 

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Which solid fuel test and development "city" like Shahroud does North Korea have?

North Korea is liquid orientated and unfortunately you Chinese wont help them on solids.

If they have now a solid fuel PK-4 ICBM, then the most likely helper is Iran.
Irans solid fuel tech. is ahead of North Koreas, with all respect for their Juche ideology.

Its possible that NK's R&D program is just not visible or very small and there is no contribution from Iran.

Until the 2000's Iran was learning and importing from NK, sure, but that was liquid tech.

Iran has mastered most advanced liquid R-27 technology, NK aborted R-27 based tech. likely not only due to its lower range but also the high tech. requirements.
 

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Which solid fuel test and development "city" like Shahroud does North Korea have?


North Korea is liquid orientated and unfortunately you Chinese wont help them on solids.


If they have now a solid fuel PK-4 ICBM, then the most likely helper is Iran.

Irans solid fuel tech. is ahead of North Koreas, with all respect for their Juche ideology.


Its possible that NK's R&D program is just not visible or very small and there is no contribution from Iran.


Until the 2000's Iran was learning and importing from NK, sure, but that was liquid tech.


Iran has mastered most advanced liquid R-27 technology, NK aborted R-27 based tech. likely not only due to its lower range but also the high tech. requirements.
Is it only me or it seems that some here really act as if they were on the wikipedia pages:

1. Delete all sources that substantiates the contributor's edit. Use the lack of credibility of the source as an excuse.

2. Delete everything else the contributor has posted under the pretence of missing sources, as it is compromising the official wikipedia's line.

3. Then ban the contributor that protest, under some fallacious fabricated double standards reason.

4. Use armies of professional trolls to disinform at will by the old playbook according to the official propaganda's line as nobody even remembers of the truth previously exposed by the banned contributor.

Dude, all your questions have been answered last years in this same thread.

Not allowed to repost the deleted content, I will only state that in aerospace, North Korea is in no way backward, at the exception of only one field: the manned space program.

Indeed, this is really more about prestige, with less military applications, and by far the most costly.

Therefore, Iran will probably do most of the development by its own, and only transfert the finished hardware to North Korea for the final testing phase: the manned capsule E1, the Iranian version of the Sokol spacesuit, the space food.

• It is obvious that North Korea has dedicated military-industrial complex to develop solid propellant technologies: the entire greater region around Hamhung, from start to finish. It includes the static horizontal and vertical pop-up test stands, and extends to 55 km northeastward to the Sinpo region were submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) are tested.

• Unlike Iran, the North Korean horizontal static test stand does not give a clue to the foreign satellites, with no traces left on the ground by the plume. Indeed, Iran's Shahroud is build on desertic soil, thus compromising its secrecy, while Hamhung's plume goes over a river!

• The grain's quality has been improved steadily over the years and is far more advanced than in Iran.

• The North Korean casings are made of composite aramid fiber for all Pukguksong series engines ranging from 1.1 meters diameter to 2 meters diameter, while Iran is mostly using alloy steel such as the 1.25 meter diameter Sejil, with only the exception of the relatively small 0.9 meter diameter Salman motor, and only as second stage of the Qased rocket.

• For the moment, the only solid propellant motors technology that Iran has demonstrated before North Korea is TVC, but only for the relatively small 0.9 meter diameter Salman-1 used as second stage of the Qased SLV.

• North Korea has casting pit for solid motors of 4 meters diameters:

North Korean casting pit

Satellite imagery of the 'Place of the ascension of Martyrs’ (35.624581°N 50.872523°E) at the Shahid Modarres Garrison shows that before the 12 November 2011 explosion, the site was housing a rail-movable hangar, cranes and large cylindrical objects.

The epicenter of the 2011 explosion might be a large casting pit with a moveable superstructure.

The measured diameter of the casting pit is about 5 meters, and can be used to cast rocket motors of diameters up to 3.5 meters for the Qaem SLV.


https://archive.ph/qjrPO/68eb99eb7d15ec1a7c9196409df5c15b6bc47848.jpg ; https://archive.ph/qjrPO/fa1c57a917f9e3624ef9e835877dd9e932bbd35b/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20191121173100/https://i.imgur.com/NQBBJzK.jpg
1. Large casting pit of of about 5 meters diameters at the Shahid Modarres Garrison.

The same large casting pit with a moveable superstructure has been built thereafter at the Imam Sadegh Satellite Launch Center.

The measured diameter of the casting pit of about 5 meters, and is used to cast the 3.5 meter diameter Qaem SLV first stage.


https://archive.ph/WDXbj/76b0357beb1aca1f87880474e88627e404eddb76.jpg ; https://archive.ph/WDXbj/eb2f179c64ca0bf87362bc5aeada69e0d0535a7e/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20191121174913/https://i.imgur.com/0zP7IzP.jpg
2. Large casting pit of about 5 meters diameters at the Imam Sadegh SLC.

Recent satellite imagery of 5th Febryary 2018 have revealed a similar site in North Korea’s Chemical Materials Institute, a key facility for the production of solid-rocket motors.

July 25, 2018

This imagery shows some unique features that appear to be related to testing or finishing solid motor case production. Among these is a circular foundation in the southern fabrication building that measures (approximately 4 meters-in-diameter, interior dimension) and surrounds an excavation of undetermined depth.

The intended purpose of this excavation is unclear. One suggested purpose would be to fulfill a requirement for pressure testing, degreasing, or coating filament-wound rocket motor casings prior to being filled.[6] Alternately, if this pit is intended for hydro-pressure testing—during which the pressure is slowly increased until the case fails—it would require a dome or heavy lid to keep it sealed during testing.



https://archive.ph/QbYnk/5db49c16da7f65e769b4dae7c3f9017adb100abe.jpg ; https://archive.ph/QbYnk/ac50a431f2b1b08628d3ebe5542d63ff997b655f/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20190310...ads/2018/07/Fig2B_CMI-18-0725-AIR-768x576.jpg ; https://www.38north.org/2018/07/cmi072518/
3. Large casting pit of of about 4 meters diameters at the North Korea’s Chemical Materials Institute (CMI). 39°57'29.08"N 127°33'35.24"E



https://archive.fo/Yn6K0/e303b34c8e3a81e837476467d8930a195b2c6a62.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/20190906200458/https://i.imgur.com//J2KKUoW.jpg ; http://www.dprktoday.com/content/photo/2016/20160304-kp-01-7.jpg ; http://www.dprktoday.com/index.php?type=42&no=1964 ; 왕들의 궁전-만경대학생소년궁전을 찾아서 (2) ; 나어린 미술가들의 솜씨 ; 访王的宫殿--万景台学生少年宫(2) ; 儿童美术家的手艺 ; 16-03-09 10:51 ; http://www.xici.net/d228225918.htm
4. North Korean version of the Iranian "Qaem" SLV. 주체105(2016)년 3월 4일


• The vintage Russian cold war era R-27 technology is not worth being further developed. And totally obsolete compared to the Paektusan series engine, that allows single chamber engine fully gimballed up to possibly ~150 tons of thrust. Here the clarification.


Flight evidence and age seem to indicate that those engines aren’t reliable enough anymore.

Given unreliability, a two engine installation is n^2 more likely to have a flight failure. 70% reliable per engine is 0.7^2 ~= 0.49 probability of flight success. 60%reliable is 0.36 probability of flight success. We don’t know everything about 4D10 Zyb engines failures but by far most of the 4D10 Zyb engines failed. Some very low or on launchers, mostly at altitude. The latter ones grew grid fins arguably for transonic stabilizing margins. But there were failures after that, credibly of engines.

So we have two known (or very high credibility based on evidence) failure modes; engines and aerodynamic. It looks like engine reliability was in 60-70% range. The Hwasong-13 ICBM just stopped being viable with that rate.

And importantly, North Korea almost immediately went to public testing of the Paektusan engine (RD-250 lineage cousin). That’s likely an admission that they knew they needed new motors and demonstration that they could do that and make it work.

They’re remarkably open with sharing for deterrent credibility.

4D10 is a work of art. But perhaps not best starter high performance liquid fuel motor.

RD-250 is a straight forward design compared to the tank integrated, space restricted, closed combustion cycle, counter-cavitation gas to tank re-pressuring, R-27 design.

A high risk tech. path for a first ICBM.

Iran concentrated on it, and finally mastered it, but it took time.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeWHerbert/status/1317944911807672322

• Recently in end September 2020, the U.S. Treasury has even disclosed that North Koreans were present to assist during Iranian space launch!

• In the same report, Iran is alleged now to be receiving aid from North Korea for new long range missile!

Clearly North Korea is leading.

While Iran only recently hinted at its first upcoming SLBM test!


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5. Official poster distributed by Iran's Supreme leader hinting at a first ever SLBM test ! Roughly translated as "They will fire one - and will get 10 times over". 2020.


https://archive.vn/MPZL7/e906170db144c5b5c363be69aef4b6c439863c77.jpg ; https://archive.vn/MPZL7/a9a00f049b6e99b4bcdae09cc3f0eb326fd431f9/scr.png ; https://i.imgur.com/oXw05ph.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/20201018202016if_/https://i.imgur.com/oXw05ph.jpg
6. ▲ Undated image of an Iranian SSBN, with 14 SLBM.

https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/1317237768213483521

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Is it only me or it seems that some here really act as if they were on the wikipedia pages:

1. Delete all sources that substantiates the contributor's edit. Use the lack of credibility of the source as an excuse.

2. Delete everything else the contributor has posted under the pretence of missing sources, as it is compromising the official wikipedia's line.

3. Then ban the contributor that protest, under some fallacious fabricated double standards reason.

4. Use armies of professional trolls to disinform at will by the old playbook according to the official propaganda's line as nobody even remembers of the truth previously exposed by the banned contributor.

Dude, all your questions have been answered last years in this same thread.

Not allowed to repost the deleted content, I will only state that in aerospace, North Korea is in no way backward, at the exception of only one field: the manned space program.

Indeed, this is really more about prestige, with less military applications, and by far the most costly.

Therefore, Iran will probably do most of the development by its own, and only transfert the finished hardware to North Korea for the final testing phase: the manned capsule E1, the Iranian version of the Sokol spacesuit, the space food.

• It is obvious that North Korea has dedicated military-industrial complex to develop solid propellant technologies: the entire greater region around Hamhung, from start to finish. It includes the static horizontal and vertical pop-up test stands, and extends to 55 km northeastward to the Sinpo region were submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) are tested.

• The grain's quality has been improved steadily over the years and is far more advanced than in Iran. The casing are made of composite aramid fiber, while Iran is only known to produce carbon fibers.

• North Korea has casting pit for solid motors of 4 meters diameters:

North Korean casting pit

Satellite imagery of the 'Place of the ascension of Martyrs’ (35.624581°N 50.872523°E) at the Shahid Modarres Garrison shows that before the 12 November 2011 explosion, the site was housing a rail-movable hangar, cranes and large cylindrical objects.

The epicenter of the 2011 explosion might be a large casting pit with a moveable superstructure.

The measured diameter of the casting pit is about 5 meters, and can be used to cast rocket motors of diameters up to 3.5 meters for the Qaem SLV.


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1. Large casting pit of of about 5 meters diameters at the Shahid Modarres Garrison.

The same large casting pit with a moveable superstructure has been built thereafter at the Imam Sadegh Satellite Launch Center.

The measured diameter of the casting pit of about 5 meters, and is used to cast the 3.5 meter diameter Qaem SLV first stage.


https://archive.ph/WDXbj/76b0357beb1aca1f87880474e88627e404eddb76.jpg ; https://archive.ph/WDXbj/eb2f179c64ca0bf87362bc5aeada69e0d0535a7e/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20191121174913/https://i.imgur.com/0zP7IzP.jpg
2. Large casting pit of about 5 meters diameters at the Imam Sadegh SLC.

Recent satellite imagery of 5th Febryary 2018 have revealed a similar site in North Korea’s Chemical Materials Institute, a key facility for the production of solid-rocket motors.

July 25, 2018​
This imagery shows some unique features that appear to be related to testing or finishing solid motor case production. Among these is a circular foundation in the southern fabrication building that measures (approximately 4 meters-in-diameter, interior dimension) and surrounds an excavation of undetermined depth.​
The intended purpose of this excavation is unclear. One suggested purpose would be to fulfill a requirement for pressure testing, degreasing, or coating filament-wound rocket motor casings prior to being filled.[6] Alternately, if this pit is intended for hydro-pressure testing—during which the pressure is slowly increased until the case fails—it would require a dome or heavy lid to keep it sealed during testing.​


https://archive.ph/QbYnk/5db49c16da7f65e769b4dae7c3f9017adb100abe.jpg ; https://archive.ph/QbYnk/ac50a431f2b1b08628d3ebe5542d63ff997b655f/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20190310...ads/2018/07/Fig2B_CMI-18-0725-AIR-768x576.jpg ; https://www.38north.org/2018/07/cmi072518/
3. Large casting pit of of about 4 meters diameters at the North Korea’s Chemical Materials Institute (CMI). 39°57'29.08"N 127°33'35.24"E



https://archive.fo/Yn6K0/e303b34c8e3a81e837476467d8930a195b2c6a62.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/20190906200458/https://i.imgur.com//J2KKUoW.jpg ; http://www.dprktoday.com/content/photo/2016/20160304-kp-01-7.jpg ; http://www.dprktoday.com/index.php?type=42&no=1964 ; 왕들의 궁전-만경대학생소년궁전을 찾아서 (2) ; 나어린 미술가들의 솜씨 ; 访王的宫殿--万景台学生少年宫(2) ; 儿童美术家的手艺 ; 16-03-09 10:51 ; http://www.xici.net/d228225918.htm
4. North Korean version of the Iranian "Qaem" SLV. 주체105(2016)년 3월 4일

• Recently in end September 2020, the U.S. Treasury has even disclosed that North Koreans were present to assist during Iranian space launch!

• In the same report, Iran is alleged now to be receiving aid from North Korea for new long range missile!

Clearly North Korea is leading.

While Iran only recently hinted at its first upcoming SLBM test!


https://archive.vn/5kWnl/07bef765ee3ec1ab391d2234e9fa37c67fff3c25.jpg ; https://archive.vn/5kWnl/6e15c6bc4308fede950c150b6653b9e546905248/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20201018...age/1397/03/23/13970323124050939144161910.jpg
5. Official poster distributed by Iran's Supreme leader hinting at a first ever SLBM test ! Roughly translated as "They will fire one - and will get 10 times over". 2020.


https://archive.vn/MPZL7/e906170db144c5b5c363be69aef4b6c439863c77.jpg ; https://archive.vn/MPZL7/a9a00f049b6e99b4bcdae09cc3f0eb326fd431f9/scr.png ; https://i.imgur.com/oXw05ph.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/20201018202016if_/https://i.imgur.com/oXw05ph.jpg
6. ▲ Undated image of an Iranian SSBN, with 14 SLBM.

https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/1317237768213483521

:rofl::omghaha::lol:



I'm the last person to underestimate North Koreans.

You showed it yourself: You have found one NK facility under construction in 2018 that could be for solid fuel missile and motor casting.

No prolonged test campaign or years old finished facilities of large scale.

I'm not ranting here, if you know any test and production related infrastructures for solid fuel motors in NK, please post them.

For now it appears that all R&D and testing is done in Iran, delivered to NK and re-engineered there (Juche).

I doubt Chinese would transfer anything critical on solids to NK

Btw: Carbon fiber casings perform better than aramid.
 

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I'm the last person to underestimate North Koreans.

I'm not ranting here, if you know any test and production related infrastructures for solid fuel motors in NK, please post them.
:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

North Korea would'nt even reveal the exact complete list of its strategic facilities and locations to Trump. Mind you, these will be kept secret for ever and at the cost of all North Koreans lives!

Chest thumping? Look at what happend to Iran since 2011 at the Shahid Modarres Garrison and elsewhere even more recently ...

I doubt Chinese would transfer anything critical on solids to NK
It is the invariable stern policy of China to oppose nuclear proliferation.

Unlike Russia, the obvious main source of proliferation. And for a reason as a cash strapped fallen power.

Btw: Carbon fiber casings perform better than aramid.
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North Korea would'nt even reveal the exact complete list of its strategic facilities and locations to Trump. Mind you, these will be kept secret for ever and at the cost of all North Koreans lives!
You think Iran ever disclosed Shahrud?

It is still a secret facility far away in the desert but too large to remain undetected.

OSINT made it public to the world and we would expect OSINT to search NK for a similar facility.

To make it simple: I dont see the R&D footprint necessary to develop something like the PK-4 on its own.

Either R&D is done jointly in Iran, or the developed product is transferred to NK or NK gets the product from China.
 

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You think Iran ever disclosed Shahrud?

It is still a secret facility far away in the desert but too large to remain undetected.
How do we know it is named Imam Sadegh Space Center? The official name. Sharud is the one given by the western intelligence.

OSINT made it public to the world and we would expect OSINT to search NK for a similar facility.

To make it simple: I dont see the R&D footprint necessary to develop something like the PK-4 on its own.

Either R&D is done jointly in Iran, or the developed product is transferred to NK or NK gets the product from China.
Look no further. It is no secret that Russia is a fallen power that is totally dependent from others for rare earth minerals, critical to the defence, telecommunications and renewable energy sectors.

But cash strapped it can't even pay for the import from China, that totally dominates this sector.

Therefore Russia seeks its survival by barting anything valuable such as Soviet era vintage military tech including WMDs, for the most needed critical North Korean rare earth minerals.

This is even made easier as both nations share 18 km of terrestrial border, and a vast common maritime area were any transaction can be made at sea.




Russia offers:

• R-27 SLBM
• R-250 engine
• R-16 ICBM
• 9K720 Iskander SRBM
• Various associated TEL
• S-300 SAM
• S-400 Triumf SAM
• 9K330 Tor SAM
• T-14 Armata MBT
• et cetera

All weapon systems proven to have appeared over the recent years in North Korea!

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