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Sina class gets new weapons,looks to be ashcms.
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2 new launchers on top of the pre-existing twin ashcm launchers.
Really good to see and well overdue.
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Sina class gets new weapons,looks to be ashcms.
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2 new launchers on top of the pre-existing twin ashcm launchers.
Really good to see and well overdue.
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Other than air defense and anti sub warfare, these ships now have as much firepower as the mowj class; whereas mowj is underarmed for it size, these boats are quite formidable.
Maybe outfit one or two exclusively for air defense and add a ghadir or fateh sub to make a good flotilla especially with a larger mowj and a support ship along.
 

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Other than air defense and anti sub warfare, these ships now have as much firepower as the mowj class; whereas mowj is underarmed for it size, these boats are quite formidable.
Maybe outfit one or two exclusively for air defense and add a ghadir or fateh sub to make a good flotilla especially with a larger mowj and a support ship along.
Without destroyed, with Long range radar, sonar and ASM helikopter any ship is Just Death meal... Destroyers are muscle of every fleet..
 

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Without destroyed, with Long range radar, sonar and ASM helikopter any ship is Just Death meal... Destroyers are muscle of every fleet..

Without Aircover destroyer won't last against enemy attack jets. Ships have AD but they can easily be overworked. IRIN/IRGCN badly need aircover
 

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275t boat with 8x200km range anti-ship missile and one 76mm gun for attacking shore facilities up to 17km away :agree:
and one 40mm Bofors :sick:

honestly they must replace those bofors with Kamand or a more useful CIWS

by the way P234 is Separ , its an old photo of it
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by the way choosing the name such as Joshan and Separ and Zereh for ships of Sina class is strange , those are all defensive equipment and this class is purely offensive and have little to do with defense (sadly its the case of our navy and we seriously need to build some ships specialized in defense to accompany our navy vessels)
 
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Without Aircover destroyer won't last against enemy attack jets. Ships have AD but they can easily be overworked. IRIN/IRGCN badly need aircover
If the US navy was a country its air arm will be world's second largest airforce..:woot::woot:

Just think of that for a moment...In any confrontation with the US, we need unconventional methods. Our surface fleet will not last long..We need to go deep under the water..that is where they are vulnerable..build those subs damn it....:undecided:
 

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I don't know if they use a single type of anti-ship missile, but surely the canisters have some manufacturing differences

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I guess the missiles are the same , for larger missiles (Qader) we use this cannister that again only different in its door.
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then we have this for noor
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but this also is noor
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you see the cannister in middle is different
 

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Without Aircover destroyer won't last against enemy attack jets. Ships have AD but they can easily be overworked. IRIN/IRGCN badly need aircover
well usually that's the role of a Guided missile destroyer or DDGs
an example
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that have 20vls cell and each cell can carry up to 4 missile
or this with 96 vls cannister
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or this with 64 surface to air missile
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or this with 80vls cell
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or this with 96 cell
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or this with 112 vls cell
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For god sake learn Something before came to military forum.

I should learn that butt naked surface vessels with minimal air defense should be left at the enemy's airforce mercy? what kind of stupid logic is that?

These surface vessels of IRIN/IRGCN in the Persian Gulf will have to face some 800 4th generation fighters which can include all launch Salvos of AShM at them from a distance. IRIAF barely has three TABs facing the peninsula with not many interception choices available there.
 

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If the US navy was a country its air arm will be world's second largest airforce..:woot::woot:

Just think of that for a moment...In any confrontation with the US, we need unconventional methods. Our surface fleet will not last long..We need to go deep under the water..that is where they are vulnerable..build those subs damn it....:undecided:

I posted this in old IMF many times as well when Moudge class constructions were just picking up after Jamaran. IRIN needs a dangerous submarine force more than it needs surface vessels. They stopped Ghadir after 20-21 (17 are operational) and Fateh and Besat class clearly has got late. There should have been atleast 3-4 Fatehs by now serving in IRIN.

well usually that's the role of a Guided missile destroyer or DDGs
an example
210421-N-FC670-1062.jpg

that have 20vls cell and each cell can carry up to 4 missile
or this with 96 vls cannister
1920px-130920-N-NX070-025_-_USS_Arleigh_Burke_%28DDG-51%29.jpg

or this with 64 surface to air missile
1280px-AdmiralVinogradov2009.jpg

or this with 80vls cell
ROKS_Sejong_the_Great_%28DDG_991%29_broadside_view.jpg


or this with 96 cell
450px-DDG_Maya.jpg

or this with 112 vls cell
PLANS_Nanchang_%28DDG-101%29_20210427.jpg

Until we have "Guided Missile Destroyers with 128 VLS cells" our vessels need air cover. For some reason, because of our growing missile power, we have started undermining the enemy airforces and I am not even talking about US here. In case of conflict with (P)GCC+Israel alone, we will have to face some 800-1000 modern fighter strong air power in PG.
 
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