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The Ship was a forward operating base that was doing SIGNIT.

No civilian ship just magically maroons itself in the middle of a sea for over a year.

Commander of ship should be relieved of duty for letting Israeli commandos just stroll up to the ship and sabotage it. Embarrassing. And yes uniformed personnel have been seen on the bridge in the past to confirm its paramilitary purpose.
 

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So back to my original question, how could a limpet mine be placed on this ship when it should be looking out for these kinds of things at all times?
 

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The Ship was a forward operating base that was doing SIGNIT.

No civilian ship just magically maroons itself in the middle of a sea for over a year.

Commander of ship should be relieved of duty for letting Israeli commandos just stroll up to the ship and sabotage it. Embarrassing. And yes uniformed personnel have been seen on the bridge in the past to confirm its paramilitary purpose.
Theirs nothing about this ship that indicates it's carrying SIGNIT equipment. Please correct me if I am wrong on this, but the ship doesn't seems capable of much besides cargo and logistics.
 

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Theirs nothing about this ship that indicates it's carrying SIGNIT equipment. Please correct me if I am wrong on this, but the ship doesn't seems capable of much besides cargo and logistics.
The ship is lying in that location since October 2019, and has been visited by Iranian ships a couple of times. Also, small fast boats have been seen on deck and around the ship, as well as crew dressed in military clothes.
A normal civilian cargo ship is not staying in a position at sea for 1,5 years. Unless the company doesn’t want to earn money.
so all in all, a mysterious ship.
 

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The ship is lying in that location since October 2019, and has been visited by Iranian ships a couple of times. Also, small fast boats have been seen on deck and around the ship, as well as crew dressed in military clothes.
A normal civilian cargo ship is not staying in a position at sea for 1,5 years. Unless the company doesn’t want to earn money.
so all in all, a mysterious ship.
Interesting, could be a resupply node? or something related to Yemen? But honestly surprised it took them this long to attack it if it's been sitting there since 2019
 

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So back to my original question, how could a limpet mine be placed on this ship when it should be looking out for these kinds of things at all times?
Pretty easy, my guess?

A civilian ship pulls up within a sight’s distance. Commandos with scuba gear and powered underwater propellers make their way to the ship while underwater under the cover of night when most of the crew is sleeping. Set the charges with a timer to detonate in a few hours.

return back to civilian ship and leave the scene
Theirs nothing about this ship that indicates it's carrying SIGNIT equipment. Please correct me if I am wrong on this, but the ship doesn't seems capable of much besides cargo and logistics.
You don’t know what is in the cargo bay of the ship. You don’t know what equipment is installed in the command tower.

And lastly you don’t always need to have fancy equipment for SIGNIT and surveillance.
 

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In my opinion the limpet mines were likely planted by Israeli divers (this is a standard method) from submarines. Saviz has absolutely no combat capability, let alone anti-submarine detection. An easy target, especially considering it is stationary.
 

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Theirs nothing about this ship that indicates it's carrying SIGNIT equipment. Please correct me if I am wrong on this, but the ship doesn't seems capable of much besides cargo and logistics.
The Ship was a forward operating base that was doing SIGNIT.

No civilian ship just magically maroons itself in the middle of a sea for over a year.

Commander of ship should be relieved of duty for letting Israeli commandos just stroll up to the ship and sabotage it. Embarrassing. And yes uniformed personnel have been seen on the bridge in the past to confirm its paramilitary purpose.

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No one is denying that this was a military vessel. And no one is denying the location of where the incident took place.

In my opinion when an incident like this happens to a large military vessel near what could be called unfriendly/enemy waters then someone (a person or organization) was clearly neglecting & in dereliction in the performance of their duties.
Be that a commander that dispatched an ill equipped ship to the Red Sea without proper naval support or IRGC/MOD's failure to properly equip the vessel with the necessary sensor's or a Captain that failed to properly secure his ship and or respond immediately or a Soldier/Sailor that failed in his duties or all of the above.

The incident is no doubt being investigated but the goal of the investigation is not and should NOT be to find a scapegoat to punish but to figure out where the failure came from, address it the best you can to help prevent future incidents.

No doubt this is an embarrassment!

In my opinion If Iran chooses to respond militarily, the response needs to come from the Artesh or at least be a joint Artesh-IRGC OP under the command of the Artesh.
Last thing the IRGC needs is to be blamed by the whole world for JCPOA failures.

Another way IRGC can respond is by arming it's vessel with a significant number of modified armed drones like the Sh-191/Sh-181 which is a more conservative and prudent course of action for now.
 

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There was some discussion back when the Shahid Roudaki was unveiled that the Saviz could not operate the way does were it armed as obviously or conspicuously as the other two heavy ships as it was posing as a cargo for years until recent articles started to call attention to it. Even this is true and the vessel was purposely under armed, there should still be some extra vigilance and surveillance to watch for these sorts of things. On that note, how does a ship monitor these kinds of operations? Would sonar alert the ship to such actions? Would boats in the water at all times be able to spot divers? Maybe they should be extra vigilant when they spot another ship within visual range and have their own personnel in and under water?
 

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No one is denying that this was a military vessel. And no one is denying the location of where the incident took place.

In my opinion when an incident like this happens to a large military vessel near what could be called unfriendly/enemy waters then someone (a person or organization) was clearly neglecting & in dereliction in the performance of their duties.
Be that a commander that dispatched an ill equipped ship to the Red Sea without proper naval support or IRGC/MOD's failure to properly equip the vessel with the necessary sensor's or a Captain that failed to properly secure his ship and or respond immediately or a Soldier/Sailor that failed in his duties or all of the above.

The incident is no doubt being investigated but the goal of the investigation is not and should NOT be to find a scapegoat to punish but to figure out where the failure came from, address it the best you can to help prevent future incidents.

No doubt this is an embarrassment!

In my opinion If Iran chooses to respond militarily, the response needs to come from the Artesh or at least be a joint Artesh-IRGC OP under the command of the Artesh.
Last thing the IRGC needs is to be blamed by the whole world for JCPOA failures.

Another way IRGC can respond is by arming it's vessel with a significant number of modified armed drones like the Sh-191/Sh-181 which is a more conservative and prudent course of action for now.
How would a S-191 detect this in the cover of night in a heavy shipping lane?

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Also using Artesh which isn’t its responsibility he defending Iranian paramilitary ships far outside is borders to “shield” IRGC from blame game is an absurd idea.

IRGC gets blamed if a cloud goes the wrong way in the sky in Israel. So it quite literally means nothing if they continue the shadow war that Israel STARTED...seems some of you forget Israel has been hitting dozens of ships and Iran hasn’t really responded until that Wall Street journal article leaked Israeli sea operations.
 

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Let’s be clear about one thing here. This is not an embarrassment. Only people not used to risking use this word. IRI has always risked it and it has always presented much needed learning curve.
This situation will only propel Iran to advance their military hardware and strategy.
WITHOUT these risks there would have been no learning. Don’t forget where we were at the beginning of the war. We are not gods chosen people with absolute knowledge from the getgo. We work hard for what we have.
 

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IRGC and the IR leadership in general have recently started to warm up a bit and respond in similar fashion. Notice how all the responses by Iran only result in material damage and no human life at all. I guess this will change as well in the future.
 

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