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Had you bothered reading the article i posted , you will know that Venezuela economy started to collapse long before the American sanction due to mistakes Chaves made. He gambled on the oil industry while ruining the private sector. Oil prices went done and Venezuela was left with nothing to rely on.
The Venezuelan economy didn't exactly collapse under President Chavez, however it did face structural transition difficulties owing to the fact that the pro-American comprador bourgeoisie (with largely far-right political leanings) which dominated the country prior to the Bolivarian Revolution, had managed to transform Venezuela into a mono-product oil economy.

Indeed, what many aren't aware of is that Venezuela used to be an industrialized nation with a strongly diversified economy in the 1950's and 1960's. What occurred then, is that a ruling class of US-subservient elements completely de-industralized the country, ruined its agricultural sector, and made crude oil exports the sole source of significant income for the national economy or rather, for their own token pockets. Social inequalities and poverty had reached unprecedented levels.

So what Chavez did with success, was to redistribute the oil revenue in a far more equal manner and drastically improve the living conditions of the poor, which represented the most pressing popular demand he had been elected for. What he had no time to achieve though, was the diversification of the Venezuelan economy and the development of the non-oil sector, an extremely difficult task indeed.

Economic figures are there to measure the considerable impact of ever increasing US sanctions pressure on the Venezuelan economy. To say that they had no major consequences would be incorrect, considering the mono-sectorial structure of the Venezuelan economy.

Had you bothered opening wiki you would know that Maduro lost the 2015 parliament elections , nut instead of accepting the will of his people , he decided away power from parliament and make himself dictator.
I know this, but since when is there a "democratic obligation" for a president to resign when his party or supporters lose a mid-term parliament election? In France for example the Socialist Party, which then acting president Mitterrand belonged to, was defeated in the 1986 legislative election. This however did not lead Mitterrand to abdicate, and he accordingly stayed in power until the following presidential election of 1988. Same thing in America.

Also, as pointed out, the Venezuelan people reelected Maduro in the 2018 presidential election. Therefore, his mandate is by definition a democratic and not a dictatorial one.
 
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Also, as pointed out, the Venezuelan people reelected Maduro in the 2018 presidential election. Therefore, his mandate is by definition a democratic and not a dictatorial one.
Many dictators like to parade themselves as if they won by a democratic elections. Not long ago Assad " won " the elections in Syria with 95% of the votes. Does this mean Syria is a democracy ? I don't think so.

In normal elections you don't get the country's highest profile opposition leaders barred from running, in exile, or under arrest. Which is exactly what happened in Venezuela.

No wonder most Venezuelan did not even bother to vote.

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I suggest taking the next report with a few grain of salts , but here it is :
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Americas-bound Iranian warships change course


LONDON: Two Iranian warships, thought to be trafficking arms to Venezuela, have changed course and are now moving up Africa’s west coast.

The Biden administration had been pressuring Venezuela, Cuba and other countries in the region to turn the ships away, and a senior US official warned that it would take “appropriate measures” to prevent the delivery of arms to its hemisphere, which it views as a threat.

American officials believe that the diplomatic outreach can be credited for the ships’ change of course.

According to US news outlet Politico, a defense official believes that the ships are now headed for Syria via the Mediterranean, or for Russia.

The two ships are composed of a domestically manufactured destroyer, the Sahand, and the Makran, a former oil tanker fitted with a helipad and other military upgrades to make it a support vessel.

TankerTrackers.com tweeted: “We believe that the Iranian navy vessels MAKRAN and SAHAND are on their way to Syria in order to engage in navy exercises with Russia.”

Tehran has invested considerable amounts of money and manpower to prop up the Assad regime in Syria, including by providing personnel and funding, and by arming militias.



" According to Politico, a defense official believes the ships now appear to be headed towards either the Mediterranean and Syria or Russia. "









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I suggest taking the next report with a few grain of salts , but here it is :
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Americas-bound Iranian warships change course


LONDON: Two Iranian warships, thought to be trafficking arms to Venezuela, have changed course and are now moving up Africa’s west coast.

The Biden administration had been pressuring Venezuela, Cuba and other countries in the region to turn the ships away, and a senior US official warned that it would take “appropriate measures” to prevent the delivery of arms to its hemisphere, which it views as a threat.

American officials believe that the diplomatic outreach can be credited for the ships’ change of course.

According to US news outlet Politico, a defense official believes that the ships are now headed for Syria via the Mediterranean, or for Russia.

The two ships are composed of a domestically manufactured destroyer, the Sahand, and the Makran, a former oil tanker fitted with a helipad and other military upgrades to make it a support vessel.

TankerTrackers.com tweeted: “We believe that the Iranian navy vessels MAKRAN and SAHAND are on their way to Syria in order to engage in navy exercises with Russia.”

Tehran has invested considerable amounts of money and manpower to prop up the Assad regime in Syria, including by providing personnel and funding, and by arming militias.



" According to Politico, a defense official believes the ships now appear to be headed towards either the Mediterranean and Syria or Russia. "









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Lol. We said the ships are not bound for Venezuela as they are nit suitable for the task .

By the way the problem with westerner . they tend to think world turn around them and they are now make claims that the ship changed course because of their nonsense.
 

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Lol. We said the ships are not bound for Venezuela as they are nit suitable for the task .

By the way the problem with westerner . they tend to think world turn around them and they are now make claims that the ship changed course because of their nonsense.
Beside they tend to have policy of poking their noses in every single issue ...
 

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Lol. We said the ships are not bound for Venezuela as they are nit suitable for the task .

By the way the problem with westerner . they tend to think world turn around them and they are now make claims that the ship changed course because of their nonsense.
New route new Issues and new questions.

If the destination now is the Mediterranean , why go around Africa and not the Suez canal as they have done in 2011 ?

Also , Syria is not only under US sanctions like Venezuela , but under UN sanctions for weapons sale , what are they going to do about that ?

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New route new Issues and new questions.

If the destination now is the Mediterranean , why go around Africa and not the Suez canal as they have done in 2011 ?

Also , Syria is not only under US sanctions like Venezuela , but under UN sanctions for weapons sale , what are they going to do about that ?

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Previous route , nothing changed the destination is the same as it was when the journey start.
It was sent to just say we can send ship to atlantic ocean . just trying to annoy american.and our navy need the training.
 

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New route new Issues and new questions.

If the destination now is the Mediterranean , why go around Africa and not the Suez canal as they have done in 2011 ?

Also , Syria is not only under US sanctions like Venezuela , but under UN sanctions for weapons sale , what are they going to do about that ?

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And still the question of we gave syria everything we wanted in last decade or so and didn't need to send a ship there . why you think we need to send a ship that is not suitable for the job ? Also. Who says the destination is syria . maybe the ship carry money to greece to buy one of its island in Mediterranean sea you knew ,the ship also carry a contingent of force to stablish a military base there.
 

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And still the question of we gave syria everything we wanted in last decade or so and didn't need to send a ship there . why you think we need to send a ship that is not suitable for the job ? Also. Who says the destination is syria . maybe the ship carry money to greece to buy one of its island in Mediterranean sea you knew ,the ship also carry a contingent of force to stablish a military base there.
I doubt Greece need your oil or attack boats nor is it likely to let those navy boats dock.

I remember last year how the Iranian ship sailed all around in circles only to end up in Syria.

I guess we would see in about 2 weeks.

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I doubt Greece need your oil or attack boats nor is it likely to let those navy boats dock.

I remember last year how the Iranian ship sailed all around in circles only to end up in Syria.

I guess we would see in about 2 weeks.

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Oh those oils we sold to a private company who wanted them delivered in syria
 

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There are rumors online , that the US navel USNS Hershel Woody Williams is tracking the Iranian ship.

For those who wish , they can track the USNS Hershel Woody Williams movements here :


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There are rumors online , that the US navel USNS Hershel Woody Williams is tracking the Iranian ship.

For those who wish , they can track the USNS Hershel Woody Williams movements here :


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tracking , a Forward base ship with another one, only an American will think of that :usflag:
 

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tracking , a Forward base ship with another one, only an American will think of that :usflag:
to me it makes sense to use a ship that can travel long distances , specially if you are tracking a ship that might go round in circles till it reaches it's destination.

But lets not jump into conclusions , all we know is that those two ships are in the same area , and that's about it.

US might be using other means of tracking,

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to me it makes sense to use a ship that can travel long distances , specially if you are tracking a ship that might go round in circles till it reaches it's destination.

But lets not jump into conclusions , all we know is that those two ships are in the same area , and that's about it.

US might be using other means of tracking,

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If i were usa and wanted to shadow that ship I'd had used a sub or sattellite to do that.
 

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If i were usa and wanted to shadow that ship I'd had used a sub or sattellite to do that.
USNS Hershel Woody Williams has already passed the straits of Gibraltar and is now sailing the Mediterranean , so much for that theory.

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