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Nice that you know Jeremiah ,

In this verse he prophesized the fall of the Babylonian kingdom before the Persian empire as has happened..

The more interesting parts are those he speaks about the future days to come -

(a good read for that is chapter 31.)


" Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child : a great company shall return thither. "



a promise that before the end of days God would gather his people from all the nations that they where exiled to.

But the sons of Israel where exiled 3 times in the past and have returned , how do we know what he talks about is indeed the final exile ?

Because of this verses : ( which i think is one of the nicest promises in the bible ,) which describe the reality of the end of days :



34" And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, said the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. "




The vision of Jeremiah describes a reality where each person has a direct contact with God . No more religious institutes of religions controlling man , but each man directly guided , reaching the level that was once reserved only to prophets.


Sorry , i know it is not a bible thread , but don't get me started on Jeremiah



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My post was in a historic sense, it wasnt in a religious sense.

Persian people has the balls to fight powerful countries, Ancient Babylon thousands years ago, and USA nowadays.

Unlike your American-c*cks*cking 73 years old fake country :enjoy:, who only know to bring their knees to their American masters.

Someday USA will backstab your fake country and all the GCC countries, and all we will laugh.

Iran is in the right side of history! Show some respect to a worthy country.
 

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Iran is in the right side of history! Show some respect to a worthy country.

Are you ?

Lets see what the prophet Ezekiel says about that :

Son of man, confront Gog from the country of Magog, head of Meshech and Tubal. Prophesy against him. Say, ‘God, the Master, says: Be warned, Gog. I am against you, head of Meshech and Tubal.

I’m going to turn you around, put hooks in your jaws, and drag you off with your whole army, your horses and riders in full armor—all those shields and bucklers and swords—fighting men armed to the teeth! Persia and Cush and Put will be in the ranks,


Actually Persia is the only country in this coalition that is clearly recognized by name

And what will be the fate those people who would rise against Israel ?

No need to spoon feed people - read it yourself - Ezekiel chapter 38



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My post was in a historic sense, it wasnt in a religious sense.

Persian people has the balls to fight powerful countries, Ancient Babylon thousands years ago, and USA nowadays.

Unlike your American-c*cks*cking 73 years old fake country :enjoy:, who only know to bring their knees to their American masters.

Someday USA will backstab your fake country and all the GCC countries, and all we will laugh.

Iran is in the right side of history! Show some respect to a worthy country.
Since when did Spaniards give a damn about Middle East :rofl:
 

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Lets put things into perspective.

This is not some courageous voyage into the harsh waters of the pacific.

The purpose of this voyage is to deliver weapons to a dictator so he can better strangler his own people.
Not that other countries don't sell weapons to dictators and other dubious regime s , but great honor it is not.

It is also a plain stupid and irresponsible move , considering that this week is one of the more critical times for the nuclear deal negotiations.

But no one ask Iranians whether they support this policy , same as no one asks the Venezuelans whether they wish to be controlled by this ex bus driver Maduro.

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Lets put things into perspective.

This is not some courageous voyage into the harsh waters of the pacific.

The purpose of this voyage is to deliver weapons to a dictator so he can better strangler his own people.
Not that other countries don't sell weapons to dictators and other dubious regime s , but great honor it is not.

It is also a plain stupid and irresponsible move , considering that this week is one of the more critical times for the nuclear deal negotiations.

But no one ask Iranians whether they support this policy , same as no one asks the Venezuelans whether they wish to be controlled by this ex bus driver Maduro.

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we usually don't hand over weapon or preferred tactics is to help you build your weapon as much as you can by yourself . and we easily could sent a bulk carrier there and no one would have none.
the mission is something else not these nonsense about sending weapon
 

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we usually don't hand over weapon or preferred tactics is to help you build your weapon as much as you can by yourself . and we easily could sent a bulk carrier there and no one would have none.
the mission is something else not these nonsense about sending weapon

They could have , though carriers can be intercepted , while navy ships are almost immune. Cant say i understand this move completely , nor did i find any clear news coverage that does. I guess much of the interpretation for this move depends on what is exactly on board this ship and is this a one trip journey or starting of a regular supply line, between Iran and Venezuela.

As for you , you seems like an intelligent and moderate person , how come i never see you criticize the Mullah regime on any of it's moves ?

For example : what is your stand on the coming elections in Iran ? and on the prospects that Ebrahim Raisi head of the judiciary , will get elected ?



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They could have , though carriers can be intercepted , while navy ships are almost immune. Cant say i understand this move completely , nor did i find any clear news coverage that does. I guess much of the interpretation for this move depends on what is exactly on board this ship and is this a one trip journey or starting of a regular supply line, between Iran and Venezuela.

As for you , you seems like an intelligent and moderate person , how come i never see you criticize the Mullah regime on any of it's moves ?

For example : what is your stand on the coming elections in Iran ? and on the prospects that Ebrahim Raisi head of the judiciary , will get elected ?



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we yet to see that he get elected , and my stand on him is many time said in Iranian section of the forum . he is good at some jobs and not so good at some other job . I whole heatedly support him if he become head of judiciary system or even get elected as next supreme leader in future . those jobs are more in line with his personality and nature . but as a president i many times stated I won't support him , president most be a person who is a lot more flexible when deal with matters internally and with outside world . I believe he is not that flexible.

about getting intercepted , I like to see one of Iranian Bulk carrier under Iran flag get intercepted in Atlantic ocean while is escorted by a contingent of Iranian forces and manned by Iranian crew .
that ship is actually a modified tanker . it has great amount of capacity for fuels and limited amount of capacity for other sort of cargoes . if it was Shahid Roodaki ship then I was a lot more hesitant not accepting it carry something to another country but Makran is tanker that have converted to be able to supply Iranian naval ships in their missions abroad.

and not criticize Iran movement at all is something that can't be attached to me and if ou look at Iran section of forum you'll see how much i criticize movement that I see harmful for Iran
 

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we yet to see that he get elected , and my stand on him is many time said in Iranian section of the forum . he is good at some jobs and not so good at some other job . I whole heatedly support him if he become head of judiciary system or even get elected as next supreme leader in future . those jobs are more in line with his personality and nature . but as a president i many times stated I won't support him , president most be a person who is a lot more flexible when deal with matters internally and with outside world . I believe he is not that flexible.

about getting intercepted , I like to see one of Iranian Bulk carrier under Iran flag get intercepted in Atlantic ocean while is escorted by a contingent of Iranian forces and manned by Iranian crew .
that ship is actually a modified tanker . it has great amount of capacity for fuels and limited amount of capacity for other sort of cargoes . if it was Shahid Roodaki ship then I was a lot more hesitant not accepting it carry something to another country but Makran is tanker that have converted to be able to supply Iranian naval ships in their missions abroad.

and not criticize Iran movement at all is something that can't be attached to me and if ou look at Iran section of forum you'll see how much i criticize movement that I see harmful for Iran


It is true i do not read much of what is written in the Iranian section , for a number of reasons.

But.

I do not think i was wrong in my understanding of your views. Because though you speak moderately what you say is very far indeed from being moderate.

See your opinion on Ebrahim Raisi .

Even considering Rais as a possibility for supreme leader shows you are not critical of the regime. You are actually willing to see a supreme leader that is even more hardliner an religiously extreme than the current one. I would hardly call it being critic.

I dare not ask what you think of his role in the show trials that followed the 2009 protests.

Here is his opinion on sex segregation :

"I think this is a good move because the majority of women do a better job in a totally relaxed atmosphere and fit are required "

So the man think that those to blame for being " distracted at work , are wonan. , I do not see how someone would support something which i can only name , sorry for the expression " cave man mentality. "

I do not see how someone would support giving his own people even less freedom than they have today.

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I think the Biden administration is making all of the noise due to the fast naval boats (and other possible weapons, including perhaps air defense systems) that the ship could carry that Iran is delivering to Venezuela.
 

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Even considering Rais as a possibility for supreme leader shows you are not critical of the regime. You are actually willing to see a supreme leader that is even more hardliner an religiously extreme than the current one. I would hardly call it being critic.
its not important he is more hardliner or religious , the job demand some qualities that he has.
I dare not ask what you think of his role in the show trials that followed the 2009 protests.
i Wonder what you think his role in those trial was, can you explain it?
"I think this is a good move because the majority of women do a better job in a totally relaxed atmosphere and fit are required "
ask that question from the rest of the clerics and get their answers, ask it from rouhani before he wanted to show himself as moderate .
So the man think that those to blame for being " distracted at work , are wonan. , I do not see how someone would support something which i can only name , sorry for the expression " cave man mentality. "
and I actually interpret his world as men make the distraction not women and want to remove the source of distraction aka men from where they work

and honestly these things you said are not decided by one person as many people like to oversimplify it. you can't blame Khamenei for all that happens in Iran or trump for all that happened in USA or Netanyahu for all that happened in Israel. its like you say only Hitler is to be blamed for all Germany did in WW2 its far more complicated than that

and as I said its not written that Raesi will win election , there are three contender it can be Raisi , It can be Hemati and well I doubt Rezai had any chance but what I can say I don't knew of any body more persistent in participating and get approved by guardian council and then get rejected by people
I think the Biden administration is making all of the noise due to the fast naval boats (and other possible weapons, including perhaps air defense systems) that the ship could carry that Iran is delivering to Venezuela.
there are far better way for delivering those things to Venezuela my preferred way would be to disassemble them and send them by airplane to be assembled there
 

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My point is very simple - the leader of the country is first person who should be held responsible for the failure of his country.
It is up to Venezuelans, not to some imperial patronizing power to decide. And Venezuelans reelected Nicolas Maduro.

If you ruin the private sector and scare away foreign investments by nationalizing stuff - your responsibility.
Those nationalizations, carried out under President Chavez, are what allowed Venezuela to lift the living conditions of the poor in a manner probably second only to China in the past 100 years. This is why the Venezuelan masses keep supporting the Bolivarian Revolution through thick and thin, as they are well aware of each side's deeper motives.

If you find it wise to piss of the country that buys 57% of your oil - your responsibility.

If you conduct foreign policy that get you sanctioned - your responsibility.
What sort of a client says, "if you denounce my wrongdoings, if you seek to be independent and to emancipate yourself from your vassal-like status, not only will I stop buying from you, but I will furthermore coerce and blackmail everyone else into doing the same"?!

It's not like there is a lack of global demand for Venezuelan crude, but the US regime's threats to sanction any buyer are the source of the issue. The US regime's habit to extra-territorially apply its national sanction legislation, directly runs counter to basic principles of international law. On the ethical level, it is akin to oppressive gangster methods.

Seeking to justify these practices would be nothing short of arguing that "might is right".

In a democratic country when a leader fails so miserably he is simply removed. That is exactly what happened to Maduro in 2015 , only he refuses to go and is willing to drag the country along with him.
President Nicolas Maduro was democratically elected.

Lets put things into perspective.

This is not some courageous voyage into the harsh waters of the pacific.

The purpose of this voyage is to deliver weapons to a dictator so he can better strangler his own people.
Not that other countries don't sell weapons to dictators and other dubious regime s , but great honor it is not.

It is also a plain stupid and irresponsible move , considering that this week is one of the more critical times for the nuclear deal negotiations.

But no one ask Iranians whether they support this policy , same as no one asks the Venezuelans whether they wish to be controlled by this ex bus driver Maduro.
Randomly applying preconceived rhetoric to events is not going to put the latter into perspective.

Indeed, it is most definitely a courageous move to dare challenge the oppressive American hegemon, whose domineering obsessions, whose deep-seated intolerance for actual independence and self-determination of nations, as well as the brutality with which it has been imposing its rule (especially in Latin America and in Asia), have been a feature of international politics for the past century.

Also, the weapons Iran provides Venezuela with are of no use in strangling any unarmed citizens. By essence, naval speed boats are not employed to crush protests, but to defend against illegal acts of aggression such as these by the US regime and its far-right minions:




Invasion attempt of a sovereign state by mercenaries, assassination attempts against a head of state. Lowly unlawful acts by the global hegemon that is the US regime.

Not to mention the fact the the Bolivarian government of Caracas has no history of employing the Venezuelan military against Venezuelan citizens.

Currently, it's actually in the next door US client state of Colombia where pro-American regime authorities have killed dozens of protesters for demanding social justice:


And Venezuela is no dictatorship, in fact it is several fold more democratic than western so-called democracies, if alone due to the fact that the Venezuelan system allows for far greater political pluralism. Indeed, for a long time it even tolerated opposition TV channels that were openly calling for the assassination of the acting president Hugo Chavez. I am yet to see a western regime granting this much freedom of speech.

Maduro used to be a bus driver? Well excellent, for it only shows how ordinary working class people in Venezuela have a chance to rise to top government positions, and that power is not concentrated in the hands of a restricted social-economic oligarchy as in western so-called democracies.

As far as Iran's nuclear negotiations are concerned, in fact they are completely overshadowed by the presidential election to be held this Friday, and are generally speaking not at a critical stage, given the lame duck character of the Rohani administration. Both parties know full well that nothing is going to come out of these negotiations at this time.

Of course Venezuelans were asked if they wanted Maduro to be president: they actually elected him to that position.

With regards to Iran's policy, apart from the fact that no government in the world is directly consulting people on its very decision, Iranians have actually been asked, and by professional, academic North American polling institutes using scientific methods at that. The results show that:

A very large majority views the Revolutionary Guard’s regional military activities favorably and three in five say Iran should increase its support of groups fighting terrorist groups like ISIS; both these majorities have grown since 2019. A majority thinks that even if Iran were to stop the Guard’s activities, this would only lead the United States to push for more concessions in other areas. Over three in five support IRGC playing a role in Iran’s economy.

https://cissm.umd.edu/research-impa...lic-opinion-start-biden-administration-report

Since the Iranian people show such overwhelming support for their country's presence in theaters like Syria, chances are that they will not particularly oppose Iran's support for Venezuela either.
 
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Since the Iranian people show such overwhelming support for their country's presence in theaters like Syria, chances are that they will not particularly oppose Iran's support for Venezuela either.
always there is chances for either side but consider the fact that Iranian see threat to Syria by group like ISIS as threat to Iran itself , but the threat Venezuela face today are a globe away and Iranian don't feel threatened by it anyway. so they may interpret Iran help there and its consequences completely different.
on other hand the help Iran provide to Venezuela and the money Iran spend there is nothing compared by what we do for Iraq , Syria and Lebanon and Yemen so average Iranian may not consider it at all and think it as peanut also Venezuelan didn't back stabbed us times and times like Palestinian so there is no resentment against them as there is against Palestinian and historically we always shared with people who were in need and we never supported their isolation .
so I say the variables are a lot different and we can't for sure apply the research to another situation and if you want to be sure there is need a research for a new study
 

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Of course Venezuelans were asked if they wanted Maduro to be president: they actually elected him to that position.
Had you bothered reading the article i posted , you will know that Venezuela economy started to collapse long before the American sanction due to mistakes Chaves made. He gambled on the oil industry while ruining the private sector. Oil prices went done and Venezuela was left with nothing to rely on.

Had you bothered opening wiki you would know that Maduro lost the 2015 parliament elections , nut instead of accepting the will of his people , he decided away power from parliament and make himself dictator.

 

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