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If Israel wanted to, these ships would be at the bottom of the ocean. Since this is just a few trash Iranian dinghies being sold to a 3rd world communist state that's no danger to Israel, then it's not worth the effort.

Try sending that same ship to Gaza and we'll see what happens 8-)
You Zionist Scum and at the end Iranian Ballistic Missiles are raining down on Tel Aviv, and lol Iranian ships has not Anti ship missiles to sunk these Israeli Corvettes, this was happen before i think in early 2000 when HAMAS fired short ranged anti ship missiles on Israeli Navy and disable their corvettes,

LOL what a information you have, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: Does GAZA have a sea or you're stupid of your own kind:crazy::rofl::lol:
 

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Seems some have forgotten how Venezuela , one of the richest countries in the world got to the place where it cant feed their own people.

This article is interesting because it is from2016 , long before the heavy sanction where imposed, and already it was clear where the country was heading.


How today’s crisis in Venezuela was created by Hugo Chávez’s ‘revolutionary’ plan

July 6, 2016


Venezuela is a nation rich with natural resources such as oil, gold, diamonds and other minerals. Yet, it is experiencing a crisis in which most people cannot find food or medicine.

In the past several months, there has been great social unrest in Venezuela. Venezuelans are going out on the streets demanding their basic needs, and storming delivery trucks and stores to get their hands on supplies. Their daily activities are disrupted by water rationing and electricity cuts, which have resulted from long-term neglect of basic infrastructure.

Most people would take this as a sign that the government has simply failed. Many onlookers may assume Venezuela’s leaders are just incompetent. Why else would they not able to provide the people with the basic necessities like water, electricity, security and opportunity?

As a Venezuelan expat having served in the Venezuelan foreign service for two decades and directing a program for the Inter-American Development Bank, I know the crisis is the result of an effort to gain and maintain power, just as the Castro brothers have successfully done in Cuba.


Chávez came to power, after unsuccessfully attempting a coup, by winning an election in 1998. He won by selling the idea of giving power to the people, and ending the corruption of the traditional political parties that had governed Venezuela for the last quarter-century.

He won the election by a convincing margin. He started his presidency with the support of the people and a barrel of oil going for more than US$100. His original popularity and success permitted him to accomplish many of his goals that in other circumstances would have been very difficult.

In 2012, a member of the former Venezuelan president’s inner circle went public, alleging details of a plan he did not want to be a part of and rejected.

Guaicaipuro Lameda, a former general under President Hugo Chávez, shared details of how Chávez and his supporters allegedly intended to carry out the Bolivarian Revolution he campaigned on. Chávez’s call for revolution expressed a rejection of imperialism that sought to establish democratic socialism for the 21st century.

But, Lameda claimed, Chávez’s plan to accomplish this involved taking control of all branches of power – the executive, legislative, judicial and military.

Consolidating power

Once in power, Chávez replaced the existing Congress by creating a new National Assembly, which he controlled. He used his new National Assembly to rewrite the constitution to perpetuate himself in power. The presidential periods were originally five-year terms without the possibility of immediate reelection. Former presidents could run again only after two terms had passed. The National Assembly changed it to six-year terms, with unlimited reelections, and extended these new parameters to governors and other elected officials.

Chavez served as president for 14 years, until his death in 2013.

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Chávez holds a copy of his proposed new constitution in 1999. REUTERS


The new National Assembly also reshaped the Supreme Court. They alleged the existing justices were corrupt, and inserted Chávez’s followers in their place.

Chávez created an image of an enlightened world leader, selling oil at a discount to many Latin American nations to buy good will. For example, he struck a deal to provided Cuba with deeply discounted oil in exchange for Cuban doctors.

He started a war against the private sector. He nationalized thousands of private companies and industries, to the amazement of his followers and to the astonishment of business owners and consumers who did not see it coming.

Chávez’s style was confrontational, disrespectful and self-centered. He would spend countless hours on national TV offending anyone who would dare to disagree with him, and was known for reprimanding and firing cabinet ministers on live TV. Countless hours of the show Aló Presidente were produced.

Chávez’s legacy haunts his successor

Nicolás Maduro, current president of Venezuela, was previously a bus driver, union leader and unconditional follower of Chávez. In return, Chávez appointed him as a member of the National Assembly, the secretary of state, vice president and then his heir.

Maduro has tried to imitate Chávez’s style, making Chávez an immortal figure, promoting rituals and making his burial place a center of worship and spending lavishly to create a cult centered on the “Eternal Commander.”

Unfortunately for Maduro, who does not have the charisma or the political instincts of his predecessor, the barrel of oil is now $40 instead of $100. The population is restless with poverty, which did not improve as Chávez promised. Rampant and very public corruption has beleaguered the public sector and armed forces.

There is no opportunity in the private sector, since it was destroyed by nationalization, using confiscation or expropriation of private companies. The local currency is totally worthless.

Thanks to Chávez’s legacy, Maduro still holds control over the Supreme Court of Justice and the Armed Forces. His followers have organized civilian groups called “collectivos” to mobilize against opposition. He also has the support of the Militia, a large group of paramilitaries, well-trained and uniformed and unconditional followers of the “eternal commander,” Chávez.

President Maduro may face a recall referendum. REUTERS/Marco Bello
How long will this perpetuation of power last? Only time will tell, but the tides may be turning.

In December, Venezuelans expressed their discontent and voted a sea change into the National Assembly, which is now controlled by the opposition. The international community is questioning the procedures by which several well-known opposition leaders have been jailed, and decisions of the election commission to delay a referendum.

Last month, the Organization of American States, an organization with 35 member nations in the region, approved a resolution to review the social, political and economic reality of Venezuela. They may apply their Democratic Charter to force the Venezuelan government to call a referendum that could end Maduro’s term as president.

Meanwhile, the situation continues to worsen, and pressure from the Venezuelan people who are seeking an end to their hunger is growing by the day.



 

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If Israel wanted to, these ships would be at the bottom of the ocean. Since this is just a few trash Iranian dinghies being sold to a 3rd world communist state that's no danger to Israel, then it's not worth the effort.

Try sending that same ship to Gaza and we'll see what happens 8-)
Verbal diarrhea from Moroccan Jew..."If Israel wanted"!!!..Man you do not realize how pathetic you sound like... I can not blame you for supporting the fake state of Israel because you are a Jew..but do U realize that for Iran, this so called "State of Israel" is only a pimple ..Iran does not think of your beloved "Israel" as a threat (sorry to burst your bubble!) and no matter how much arms you accumulate in a tinny place you are just a mosquito to them. And that is the truth...they only consider your North American protector as a credible threat . So stop all this Moroccan BS about "Israel this and Israel that".....Jews never been a military power .. ..your young are not fighters..they prefer to go to the beach, smoke Afghan hash and get laid..
Leave the military chest thumping to bigger guys and remember countries that have been an Empire have had to meet certain conditions to have become an Empire. Only a handful of countries meet those requirements and Iran is one of them so you guys are messing with an "Empire grade" country rising up again.

Iranian weapons will be delivered and Israel can watch and enjoy the show of World's biggest Oil and gas country in the world (iran) helping the world's biggest OIL deposits country (Venezuela).
 

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You seem really triggered here. What a terrible meltdown you're having.

But I understand. With Israel swatting your terrorists in Gaza and Syria on a regular basis, giving the US vital info to liquidate Qassam Salami, sinking your most important ship, liquidating your most important nuclear scientist, setting fires all over Iran, stealing your nuclear documents from under your noses, bombing Natanz etc. all whilst you're living under crippling sanctions.....it's no wonder you're a trembling mess like this. I mean how many calamities have Israel caused the terror state of Iran? Such a small country being such a big thorn in the side of the Mullah regime.

I hope you get better and find the right prescription.
Ok...jew...but meanwhile keep up with those swimming lessons... !!
 

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It is interesting how those who support dictators never think that those dictators bear any responsibility for the well being of their people, even though their country is failing miserably.

Before Chaves US was the largest buyer of Venezuela oil. Other than f*cking the economy with overspending , Chaves did all he could to piss the US , that was not only bad diplomacy , but considering that at a time US was buying 57% of their oil , was just plain stupid.

Hardly surprising that in 2015 the opposition won 109 sits , out of 167 in parliament.




So Maduro solution was to diminish parliament power and crown himself.

His not the first dictator who is willing to see his country ruined just so he can stay in power. I can think of another few examples closer to our region.

Just don't get how some think those dictators have zero responsibility towards their own people.


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Well if we support dictators then who supported Saddam provided him with CW?who support Saudis and Bahrain or Egypt? are they democratic? why on Earth we see rewards and no sanctions?
Why we don't see sanctions on isreal for taking Palestinian lands and settlements?

On the other hand nothing could justify sanctions against another country that could hurt ordinary citizens and secondly how on earth you give the USA the moral right to punish others for democracy while it is a well known fact that the very same US has neen behind many military coups against elected democratic governments to topple them and install their own pawn? dictators?
Iran 1953?
Lumumba killing? solving it in acid?
1976 in Argentina?
1971 coup in Bolivia?
Salvador Allende in 1970?

America doesn't care about democracy so don't use it as an excuse to justify sanctions .... their policy just hurt people ...

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Well if we support dictators then who supported Saddam provided him with CW?who support Saudis and Bahrain or Egypt? are they democratic? why on Earth we see rewards and no sanctions?
Why we don't see sanctions on isreal for taking Palestinian lands and settlements?
It was never my claim that Iran is the only country to sell weapons to dictators or other dubious regimes . Most major weapon manufacturers do it , and it is certainly nothing to be proud about.

My point is very simple - the leader of the country is first person who should be held responsible for the failure of his country.

Oil prices go down after you gamble on the oil industry - your responsibility.

If you ruin the private sector and scare away foreign investments by nationalizing stuff - your responsibility.

If you find it wise to piss of the country that buys 57% of your oil - your responsibility.

If you conduct foreign policy that get you sanctioned - your responsibility.

In a democratic country when a leader fails so miserably he is simply removed. That is exactly what happened to Maduro in 2015 , only he refuses to go and is willing to drag the country along with him.

Already 20% of Venezuela population has fled the country. Would not an honorable man put the best interests of his people ahead of his own ambition to rule ?

At what point would you say enough is enough and that leader must give up his private ambitions for the sake of his own people ?

When 50% have of Venezuelans will flee the country ? When a 100% will leave the country ? ?

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It was never my claim that Iran is the only country to sell weapons to dictators or other dubious regimes . Most major weapon manufacturers do it , and it is certainly nothing to be proud about.

My point is very simple - the leader of the country is first person who should be held responsible for the failure of his country.

Oil prices go down after you gamble on the oil industry - your responsibility.

If you ruin the private sector and scare away foreign investments by nationalizing stuff - your responsibility.

If you find it was to piss of the country that buys 57% of your oil - your responsibility.

If you conduct foreign policy that get you sanctioned - your responsibility.

In a democratic country when a leader fails so miserably he is simply removed. That is exactly what happened to Maduro in 2015 , only he refuses to go and is willing to drag the country along with him.

Already 20% of Venezuela population has fled the country. Would not an honorable man put the best interests of his people ahead of his own ambition to rule ?

At what point would you say enough is enough and that leader must give up his private ambitions for the sake of his own people ?

When 50% have of Venezuelans will flee the country ? When a 100% will live the country ? ?

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Why you twist the truth? their oil revenue dropped to 1% due to sanctions ... sanctions under pretext of democracy by those whom have long history in toppling democratic government & supporting dictators ...
at least we could see parliament Venezuela while in some of American 1# allies there is no constitution to start with let alone election but no sign of sanctions ... so:

1. Sanctions are inhuman policies & in noway could be justified as:
However, the hardening of sanctions faced by the country since 2015 undermines the potential positive impact of the current reforms as well as the state’s capacity to maintain infrastructure and implement social projects. Today, Venezuela faces a lack of necessary machinery, spare parts, electricity, water, fuel, gas, food and medicine. Venezuelan assets frozen in United States, United Kingdom and Portuguese banks amount to US $6 bln. The purchase of goods and payments by public companies are reportedly blocked or frozen. The private sector, non-governmental organizations, universities, sport clubs and citizens of Venezuela are reporting the rejection or reluctance of foreign banks to open or keep their bank accounts, including those with correspondent banks in the United States and Europe; difficulties with getting visas and buying ticke s; the need to act via third-country agents; and the need to pay extra insurance costs. The strengthening of economic sanctions and growing over-compliance resulted in the adoption of the Anti-Blockade Constitutional Law in October 2020.


2. Those who imposed sanctions ain't judge or jury to judge others.
3. Those who imposed sanctions are not seeking democracy as their beloved allies are dictators and they do nothing about it in contrary they support them due to their interests ..
4. The sanctions are their own internal policy, putting them above int law or expecting others to follow both are indeed another form of dictatorship.

Even if these people are genuine about their policy of supporting democracy then what they do is destroying it as sanctions would target mostly the middle class which are main engine of society ... poor people were poor before and loose the chance to have better life and rich would just become richer in such a situations ...

And yes the leader of the country is first person who should be held responsible for well-being of their people but remember we don't live in a void ...
 

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Whats the latest on these two ships ? where are they right now ?
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do they have a call sign or transponder to be tracked by satellite.. cant seem to find it on my own
 

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11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the Lord hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the Lord, the vengeance of his temple.
The history will REPEAT

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Iran the bravest state in this world of cowards.
 

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11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the Lord hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the Lord, the vengeance of his temple.
Nice that you know Jeremiah ,

In this verse he prophesized the fall of the Babylonian kingdom before the Persian empire as has happened..

The more interesting parts are those he speaks about the future days to come -

(a good read for that is chapter 31.)


" Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child : a great company shall return thither. "



a promise that before the end of days God would gather his people from all the nations that they where exiled to.

But the sons of Israel where exiled 3 times in the past and have returned , how do we know what he talks about is indeed the final exile ?

Because of this verses : ( which i think is one of the nicest promises in the bible ,) which describe the reality of the end of days :



34" And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, said the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. "




The vision of Jeremiah describes a reality where each person has a direct contact with God . No more religious institutes of religions controlling man , but each man directly guided , reaching the level that was once reserved only to prophets.


Sorry , i know it is not a bible thread , but don't get me started on Jeremiah



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One of the richest countries and the world , the richest in south America , is now lowered to rely on handouts for survival. A country that relied on oil export cant even provide oil to its own people.

The numbers of Venezuelan refugees is expect to rise to 7 million by the end of 2021 , that is more than 20% of the population. More refugees than the Syrian civil war.

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