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  1. VEVAK

    VEVAK SENIOR MEMBER

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    You can make Gas Turbines as heavy as you want it's a bit different when it comes to Fighter Airframes & jet engines that have to fly
    Iran is already producing Gas turbines




    There are different grades of titanium that Iran can not produce
    There are different grades of carbine fibers that Iran cant produce
    There are different grades of nickel that Iran can't produce
    There are different grades of Aluminium-titanium composites that Iran can't produce
    Etc, etc

    A Fighters Air Frame is it's most expensive part of a fighter aircraft mainly due to material costs

    Iran chose the F-5 because of it's low titanium requirements & lower grade composite requirements

    Iran today is producing gas turbines as complex as the MGT-30 which is far more complex in design than any turbojet engine in Iran's inventory

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-sanctions-idUSBREA4B0BG20140512

    So yes metallurgy remains the main problem!
     
  2. OldTwilight

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    Titanium obssesed guy
     
  3. mohammad45

    mohammad45 SENIOR MEMBER

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    I cannot see any flag under your name VEVAK. Anyway Google this maybe would change your mind :
    تولید-آلیاژهای-تیتانیوم-نخستین-بار-ایران
    Iran has produced Zirconium superalloys now you say that Iran cannot produce Aluminium's superalloys!!!!!!!
    I didn't need your guidance about gas-Turbines , coz i wanted to talk about it's Technological requirements and also it is much easier then producing other Alloys.

    Iran chose F-5 not becoz of it's lack of technology but becoz it is the elementary study field for producing heavier and more capable fighters. USA didn't begin from F-22 raptor! USA's first try was P-59B. I know we have a long way to catch them. So don't be n@ts we had to begin from somewhere and F-5 was the best choice for us , cheaper and easier to shift. And as you said we have already produced your mentioned Superalloys however in small scales and the problem , mass production , of course is still remaining.
    Now tell me VEVAK. Which one is harder :
    1) Manufacturing air-frame.
    2) Keeping alive Tomcat's Troubled engines.
     
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  4. VEVAK

    VEVAK SENIOR MEMBER

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    Manufacturing the F-14 Airframe both in cost and technology due to the materials required to produce it

    F-14 has large areas that are pure titanium

    and yes Iran does produce titanium, nickel, aluminum alloy but if you knew anything you would know that these alloys come in different grades and Iran can't produce high grade titanium or high grade nickel or high grade carbine fiber or high grade titanium aluminum composites etc etc etc

    The titanium requirement for an F-14 is almost the same weight of the entire aircraft and about 65% of it turns into scrape and gets wasted

    F-5 requires the lowest amount of titanium among any supersonic fighters in the world and even when Iran started producing the F-5 the Titanium Aluminum composite that was required was not being produced in the country and again the titanium composite used in the F-5 is easier to produce than any other supersonic fighter Iran had in it's fleet even the
    F-4

    Go 1 min into the video


    Same with Iran's Fatteh sub which goes back to Metallurgy was the main problem! Iran's defense minister goes on TV and say's we had to rebuild it because we didn't have access to some base materials mavadeh avvaleyeh....

    shoma ha hay mekhayn chosi beyan vali man ahlesh neestam I'd rather hear the truth and I'd rather have a defense minister like Dehghan that tells it rather than yeh mardeh bi orzeh dorogh gu like Vahidi

    And yes Iran may technically know how to produce these materials in a lab but that's a far cry from having to tools and facilities to carryout an industrial production
     
  5. husseinibnali

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    What I know is that the problems you are talking about are solved or very close to get solved!
     
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  6. VEVAK

    VEVAK SENIOR MEMBER

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    And I said as much in my previous quotes! It's a problem that's being resolved but still remains a problem.

    Iran started producing Carbon fiber and is actively trying to increase the grade with carbon fiber the more threads you can put in each Square inch the higher the grade

    Iran in the year 2000 practically stopped exporting it's titanium ore black sand and starting working towards domestic production of titanium alloys and has been working on increasing the quality & quantity

    Same with Titanium Aluminum composites

    And other super alloys

    An F-5 requires about 900 lb of titanium which is mainly used in the process of creating the titanium aluminum composite required in it's airframe VS an F-14 that requires over 40,000 lb of titanium that's 40X of that of an F-5

    Iran also has another problem and that's corruption because exporting these alloys will be fast cash to some vs a fighter that's not likely to get exported so unless Iran's government totally banns the export of strategic alloys companies will lobby and bribe their way against the production of a more advanced fighter.
     
  7. VEVAK

    VEVAK SENIOR MEMBER

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    Jaddo aboadet!!! pappeh!!!

    Vattan forosh onaean keh nemekhan Iran Nirou Havaii vagheei doshteh bosheh!! va hazeran vataneshon o bara chosi dodan befroshan.... amsoli mesleh tow....

    Vatan forosha ona ean k hazeran khalabona Irani bejayeh Jangandeh savareh asbabazi e beshan meshleh on ghaher e....

    Vatan fooroshani mesleh tow amsoleh tow chosi doddan khodeshoon o ro internet, mohemtar as ghavi tar kardan ghodrateh vaghehiii Iran medonan

    Vatan foorooshani mesleh tow $300 Billion USD beytol mal o beh jeeb zadan o raftan
     
  8. scythian500

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    َAny credible sources?
     
  9. VEVAK

    VEVAK SENIOR MEMBER

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    As Saegheh o Azarakhsh beh Ghaher raftan yani baraaks harikat kardan! Pass ghod ghod kardaneh tow darbareh tekyeh bar sanayeh dakheli jesti to khali beesh neest!!!

    Tehkey bar tavaneh dokheli dar shokht asbobazi!!! LOL!

    Yeh joor fesad darrem key yaroo meyad namayandegi ha o gharordodhayeh dolati ro medeh be pesaresh o fak o fomilesh.... Ean cheez e khasi neest o to tamomeh donya etefagh meyofteh!!! ean ba khali kardaneh $300 Billion e zakhereh ha e keshvar ba khoroj yek dollat az zameen ta asemoon fargh dareh

    Hagheeghat ean e k Iran tavanaiee sakhteh platfromi mesleh F-15 va hatta peshrafteh tar as on o doreh, halla shayad natoneem ahkhareem modeleh radar ha o tasleehateh o besazeem vali platformi monandeh F-15 ro rahat metoneem besazeem faghat bayad hazer bosheem pool rosh kharj koneem!!!
    Akhareem modeleh radar ha ro ham agheh natoneem hanooz besazeem radari mesleh AWG-9 beheneh shodeh o moshakeh Pheniox beheneh shodeh (Fakhoreh 90) keh metoneem besozeem

    Tarafdoroneh Ghaher bayneh nezamiyan kesani hastan keh hazer neestan o nemekhon Iran pool kharjeh yeh jangandeh peshrafteh bekoneh hazeran khalabonan savareh yeh asbobozi beshazn bejayeh yeh Jangandeh

    vaghti tow to lab metoni aleyaj peshrafteh besazi yani tanha cheezi ke jello tow gerefteh sarmayast

    Tom Copper yeh mohagheheh nirou havai Iran ghoft Iran tamomeh pool va technology lazem barayeh sokhteh yeh platform e jangandeh nasleh 4 beh bala ro dodrreh (Motor o shayad majbor besheh bekhareh) vali Tavanai sakhteh airframe e peshrafteh ro doreh VALI beh daleeleh fesad va nadashtaneh modeereteh dorost man sakhteh chenen jangandeh e ro dar ayandeh nazdeek nemebenam....
    on a e keh haleeshooneh khoob medonan Ghaher ghadami aghab dar shakhteh Jangandeh Irani e va agar vagheaan Irani boodi bejaii keh akseshoo onja bezari delet as sakhteh cheneen fajehehii jelezo o velez mekard

    halla hay chert to pert begoo ma mekhayeem ba Qhaher Asymatric war bokoneem o.... kodooom Asymatric war vaghti 10 F-15 metonan 100 ta as ean a ro bezana o dar ran shoma kodoom Asymatric war ba on kharab shodeh bokoneen??

    to darya fargh dareh ma 100-200 ta ghayegheh tondro ba dah ha tondro moshak dor o dah ha tondro ajdar dor o tondro mean gozar o zeer daryaii o chandeen pahbaod o moshak ha zed e keshti sahel beh darya as anva o aghsameh mokhtalef bara har keshti Amricaii mefresteem

    halla to ba ghaher cheh Asymatirc war mekhay bekoni? mekhay bara har F-15 e Saudi soosmar khor 20 ta ghaher besazi??? halla begeem tonesteem o sakhteem vaghti F-15 e raft beh 45,000 pa o dareh balla tar as soot harekat mekhoneh badbakht khalabonamoon as 25,000 pa soorateh zeereh soot cheh khaki to sarreshon bayad bereezan????
    ha???

    bejaeenkeh vagheeeato begheem hay beyam beh khodemoon benazeem begeem "Ghaher o bebeen barikalla, ghorboonesh besham bareekalla" hay am meegeem ta ean doroghi keh khodemoon sakhlteem pass farda bavaremoon mesheh o va bay la

    Anchosii a khob megan "Honesty is the best policy" rastehsho begeem ta javoona ean mamlekat beh kar shano chareh beyafkanan.... bad shoma har chii mekhayn chossi beyan o manam poshtetoon

    Sources about what? Titanium, Nickel, Aluminum & Carbine fiber come in different grades?

    If you don't know that much then you don't know much!!!

    Or that Iran produces all of them but at lower grades? that you can easily google for your self
     
  10. VEVAK

    VEVAK SENIOR MEMBER

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    FATF Nations in Green

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    Tamoomeh tarafdaraneh Ahamadi az dam hamashoon dozdan

    Every rich and successful country from China and India to the U.S. has signed and adheres to the FATF

    VS keshvar ha badbakhteh ya dictatori!!!! Har kesi keh zedeh FATF dozdeh!!! Tamoom!!! Agheh mekham Iranemon keshvari ghavi va mostaghel bosheh bayad avval doozda ro az kar bi kar kard

    Tanha rah va chareh bara sakhteh yek Jangandeh Irani e ba ghodrat as bayeen bordaneh fesad e keh sarmayehgozari dollat dar ean rah bozii nabasheh bara beh jeeb zadan beytol mol ean mellat!!!!

    What does it tell you when every major Ahamdi supporter is against FATF!!! yani Ahmadi ya raeeseh ya puppeteh doozdast.

    IRGC should be happy about this!!! IRGC should back the FATF!!!
    IRGC by law has the right to be involved in Iran's economy! And I'm happy and appreciative that they are! I believe the Artesh should also be allowed to do the same!
    IRGC at the end of the day build things and develops new technologies for the country, everything from roads, tunnels, dams, telecommunication, weapons, etc and they have truly helped in the industrial development of the country! If every year their net income comes to $12-$15B and lets say the top 1000 officers and personal take home an average of $2 million per year (Noosheh jooneshoon choon zahmat e sho kesheedan) the rest goes directly into increasing Iran's Power!!

    VS scum that sit back contribute nothing and make billions produce nothing and are nothing but a leach!!!

    beja ona poola bayad beh Artesh o Sepah bereh keh orzasho daran and they will contribute in the development of more advanced weapons more advanced Jet engines and fighters.....
     
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  11. Hack-Hook

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    I wonder whats the relation of FATF with current government as far as I'm aware all the work on it is done at the time of previous government and previous Parliament even it passed guardian council at the time of previous government .
     
  12. mohsen

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    then you're informed of nothing.
    all of anti money laundry laws which you are referring to doesn't say anything about FATF, It's like saying we fight with terrorism and suddenly you say so we join America to fight our security forces which are considered terrorists by Americans.
    It's just chicanery.

    inaie ke gofti laieghe khodeto ham akhorat hast.

    Yeah, IRGC must back sanctioning itself and all of it's subsidiary companies. till now they were sanctioned by foreign banks which were ineffective, from now on, they will be sanctioned by the Iranian banks too to make sanctions more effective.
    thank to all traitors.
     
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  13. Hack-Hook

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    no matter what, government now can do nothing , you must complain to the one that signed and ratified this without knowing what they are signing .
    right know the only way to stop this is that the parliament and guardian council that made this mess move forward and fix it or supreme leader intervene and fix this nonsense.
    I don't know any other solution , if you knew another legal way to fix it please tell me.
     
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  14. Rukarl

    Rukarl FULL MEMBER

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    Can you not post in Persian. It's against the rules.
     
  15. VEVAK

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    1st off take a good look at FATF countries it has nothing to do with America

    Faghat keshvar ha badbakht, dictatori o ghaltagh jozvesh neestan mesleh Israel, Arabestan, Afghanistan tamomeh keshvar ha badbakhteh Afrihgaiii

    va as onvar tamoomeh keshvar ha pool dar ya democrat e jahaneh avval jozveshoonan

    By law the IRGC has the right to be involved in Iran's economy and it's no one else's business it's our law. And every country has it's covert operations it jeopardizes nothing!!!

    Hezbollah is a political organization in Lebanon and we can fund them all we want

    Take a good look at the people that are against it! Jannati, Khatami, Velayati all Ahmadi supporter all filthy rich!!!
    And honestly I don't see Sepah generals complaining about it and the ones that do are verbally outspoken supporters of Ahmadinejad
    WHY IS THAT???????

    FATF has nothing to do with America!!! China, Russia, India, Japan, Brazil, Argentina, Germany, France
    This has nothing to do with America!!! faghat dosdan pooldaran k nemekhan.... hagheeghatesham hameeneh k hast!!!
     
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