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Disappointing showing out of Fath (HIMARS) equivalent.

Out of 5 Fath only one scored a direct hit (20% accuracy). Error in interial guidance does not make sense since inertial guidance loses accuracy as time passes and given very short range of this missile (75KM) time from launch to impact should have been very very quick.

Possible this was a different type of rocket launch and not Fath. Could also mean GNSS is not very accurate especially in Middle East.

Or it can simply mean Iran needs to work on guidance kit of Fath for next generations.
The stated accuracy of BM120 is 30m. so maybe you expected something else.

 

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Disappointing showing out of Fath (HIMARS) equivalent.

Out of 5 Fath only one scored a direct hit (20% accuracy). Error in interial guidance does not make sense since inertial guidance loses accuracy as time passes and given very short range of this missile (75KM) time from launch to impact should have been very very quick.

Possible this was a different type of rocket launch and not Fath. Could also mean GNSS is not very accurate especially in Middle East.

Or it can simply mean Iran needs to work on guidance kit of Fath for next generations.

A solution like this could offset most accuracy issues by simply saturating the surroundings with a rain of tungsten bearings. Against hardened structures, perhaps it's possible to forego a warhead and simply mount a tungsten penetrator which pierces through the target by sheer force alone? We could also use a thermobaric rocket like the ones the TOS-1A system fires to blanket a whole quadrant in an explosion that cover a sq. mile and causes 70% casualties to an already dug in enemy, creating a vacuum explosion thus knocking the air out of their lungs.



I also have some questions and doubts regarding this Iranian MLRS's design. It's fine enough in it's current package if you wish to offer this technology to guerrillas and paramilitaries but for official use, I recommend something like a TATRA 8x8 chassis with a low frontal profile, blast-proof windshield and glass, a command module which has ballistic targeting computers and a datalink to ISTAR UAVs (Mohajer-6 can fill in this role).

The launcher itself should be more robust rather than slapping crude launch tubes on the back. Rather, it should have hot launch capabilities and modifiable to switch to among a variety of rockets as per mission definition (from 70km to 500+km).
 
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Currently we know Iran operates 3BM42 as it's main APFSDS (produced in Iran) which can penetrate M1A2 everywhere but frontal turre
A tank shell from 1986?
M1A2 at its highest point of protection (that's not inert), offers around 600mm KE protection against APFSDS (per Swedish M1A2 trials). So it can likely only stop 3BM42 on frontal turret. Although carousel autoloader limits APFSDS length, it wouldn't be to hard to make a round with 650-700mm KE penetration at 2-3km
This tank shell only has 500mm of penetration capability.

my guess is something , does anybody have a good photo of Fath missile
its not good quality , but it seems unlike fateh family the warhead won't separate from the body
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if that's the case maybe that explain the lower accuracy
HIMARS doesn't separate either, no such accuracy problem exists.
 

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A tank shell from 1986?

This tank shell only has 500mm of penetration capability.


HIMARS doesn't separate either, no such accuracy problem exists.
that himrass this is fath different missile different sub system , wonder what's the point of that comment , is fath a copy of himras ?

A tank shell from 1986?

This tank shell only has 500mm of penetration capability.


HIMARS doesn't separate either, no such accuracy problem exists.
that himrass this is fath different missile different sub system , wonder what's the point of that comment , is fath a copy of himras ?

A tank shell from 1986?

This tank shell only has 500mm of penetration capability.


HIMARS doesn't separate either, no such accuracy problem exists.
that himrass this is fath different missile different sub system , wonder what's the point of that comment , is fath a copy of himras ?
 

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I'm saying whether the warhead detaches or not, that shouldn't be a reason for a miss
first the miss is around 20-30m which is far better than many artillery rockets around the world and far less than any other rocket without satellite guidance second it depend on the guidance system and how we guide and stabilize the rockets . its a lot easier to that with only warhead , just look at first generation fateh-110 that Syria use and the next generation of the same family missile that we have , do their precision look the same to you
and the cep from the start stated less than 30m
 

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first the miss is around 20-30m which is far better than many artillery rockets around the world and far less than any other rocket without satellite guidance second it depend on the guidance system and how we guide and stabilize the rockets . its a lot easier to that with only warhead , just look at first generation fateh-110 that Syria use and the next generation of the same family missile that we have , do their precision look the same to you
and the cep from the start stated less than 30m
Idk that's just unguided Smerch and Uragan MLRS CEP, no guidance at all
 

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