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Why hasn't Iran developed a sophisticated shoulder fired anti-armour weapon yet?

Toophan and Delahvie ATGMs have been created but while they are mobile, they are not shoulder fired mobile and something like the British NLAW would be very logical to produce. Yes they are expensive but they can also decimate most nations armour if produced in the 1000s.

Is their anything like it in Iran?


Delahvie has a range of 5-6KM and NLAW has range of max 800 meters.

So tell me which one is safer and more loigcal to produce?
 

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Not like that, but Iran has chosen a cost effective approach hence developing new shoulder launched APs based uopn existing platforms.
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The Thermo Ghadir 105mm anti armour/personnel rocket.
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Can be fired from RPG-7-29 and SPG-9.
Seems little big for a RPG-7-29 round no?

Edit: Nevermind, this thing is huge
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Delahvie has a range of 5-6KM and NLAW has range of max 800 meters.

So tell me which one is safer and more loigcal to produce?
Not every squad can carry ATGMs and launchers around with them all the time. Perhaps even a single-use launcher to replace the RPG-7.

NLAW's are more at the infantry level as you know, but I do not see a platform Iran can use at a micro level besides the RPG-7 that we commonly see. That is what I want to see replaced.
 
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Toophan and Delahvie ATGMs have been created but while they are mobile, they are not shoulder fired mobile and something like the British NLAW would be very logical to produce. Yes they are expensive but they can also decimate most nations armour if produced in the 1000s.
if by NLAW you mean MBT-Law its Swedish and made by SAAB , UK defense ministry only provided the funding for it in form of guarantee to buy it for UK and Swedish Army
 

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each have its own use an army need both, MBT-Law is 13kg and can be operated with one person, Dehlavieh is about 65kg

You fire at any modern tank from 500-600 meters away....you are dead if the tank crew is decent.

Remember most modern tanks have an APS system and radar system that detects direction of firing and location. That is why HZ anti squads can change locations so fast, detection is a matter of seconds.

Also I think Syrian war showed that TOWS are very damaging due to their long range.

NLAW is just not worth producing over RPG variants. The cases where a tank would be available to hit <700 meters with no infantry back up would be very limited scenarios usually reserved for incompetent Arab armies that send tanks into areas by themselves or urban warfare.

Maybe we seen an Iranian NLAW in the future, but seems like a luxury weapon and not a game changer. Unless Iran can produce it for similar costs to an advanced RPG rounds, just seems like a waste.
 

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Why hasn't Iran developed a sophisticated shoulder fired anti-armour weapon yet?

Toophan and Delahvie ATGMs have been created but while they are mobile, they are not shoulder fired mobile and something like the British NLAW would be very logical to produce. Yes they are expensive but they can also decimate most nations armour if produced in the 1000s.

Is their anything like it in Iran?

How has everyone in this thread forgot the Almas/Almaz ATGM lol? It's a portable top attack fire and forget ATGM with a 6-8km range. It's immune to Trophy APS too. There's also Saeghe, much cheaper and is still portable. But you loose out on the fire and forget top attack capabilities
 

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How has everyone in this thread forgot the Almas/Almaz ATGM lol? It's a portable top attack fire and forget ATGM with a 6-8km range. It's immune to Trophy APS too. There's also Saeghe, much cheaper and is still portable. But you loose out on the fire and forget top attack capabilities
The op [#3,268] was about the seeming lack of hand held at/ap type weapons,rather than atgms,which in fact iran has quite a few different types of.
Iran also has plenty of hand held unguided at/ap weapons such as the rpg7,29,30 etc..,however it doesnt yet have a weapon in the hand held guided class which ranges from the cheap and simple nlaw to the hideously expensive javelin or raybolt.
 

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The op [#3,268] was about the seeming lack of hand held at/ap type weapons,rather than atgms,which in fact iran has quite a few different types of.
Iran also has plenty of hand held unguided at/ap weapons such as the rpg7,29,30 etc..,however it doesnt yet have a weapon in the hand held guided class which ranges from the cheap and simple nlaw to the hideously expensive javelin or raybolt.
Almaz is in the same class as Javelin, Raybolt, and spike
 

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Seems little big for a RPG-7-29 round no?

Edit: Nevermind, this thing is huge
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Not every squad can carry ATGMs and launchers around with them all the time. Perhaps even a single-use launcher to replace the RPG-7.

NLAW's are more at the infantry level as you know, but I do not see a platform Iran can use at a micro level besides the RPG-7 that we commonly see. That is what I want to see replaced.
One interesting possibility would be an iranian version/equivalent of the spike-sr [almaz-sr].
Its basically a cut down,short ranged [1.5-2km] version of the spike mr/lr missile which uses a simpler non gimbled seeker,this is used as the targeting system rather than a separate reusable targeting control/launcher unit.
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A fairly compact looking weapon,it compares very well with the mbt-law/nlaw in size and weight,however the spike-sr has considerably better range [around double]

Certainly an interesting possibility in the hand held/single man portable atgm class.
 

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Iran before revolution had US shoulder fired "Dragon". A wire guided Line of Sight ATGM system with limited range..Iran had facilities in Shiraz (IEI) to repair and calibrate the system..It appears that they reverse engineered some elements and also Improved the missile by adding a spike to the warhead. (Saegheh-2) not sure if they digitized the launcher electronics. or if they considered it not worthy of the effort..
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Iran has all the tech capabilities to further build upon this and make a Top attack (non LOS) but they may also have considered the payback not worth the effort and went with the RPGs.
 
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The op [#3,268] was about the seeming lack of hand held at/ap type weapons,rather than atgms,which in fact iran has quite a few different types of.
Iran also has plenty of hand held unguided at/ap weapons such as the rpg7,29,30 etc..,however it doesnt yet have a weapon in the hand held guided class which ranges from the cheap and simple nlaw to the hideously expensive javelin or raybolt.

Kornet is 6-7K per missile in world armies and NLAW is 25Kish.

So what justification is there for a 4x increase in cost for a ATGM that is basically good for short distance urban warfare or against standalone armoured targets? None of these scenarios will be found fighting the US or a western army for Iran that use sound military tactics and give proper cover to armoured vehicles.

NLAW are too expensive to give to proxy forces to use against West or Arab armies or Israel.

It’s a niche weapon.

Quite frankly the money could go to body armour and soldier of the future development. Not sure why everyone here has an obsession with anti tank weapons and tanks. Those are the last weapons Iran will ever use in a conflict. With a limited military budget, iran needs to prioritize more pressing threats.
 

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