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Has Iran already mass-produced or upgraded its T72 tanks to Karrar MBT? Can we count on at least 500 Karrar tanks?
 

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Seems like a lot of equipment for a random deployment.

Iran might be going for a quick land grab.... take the thin corridor as a buffer zone since Azerbaijan has been harassing Iranian trucks and charging massive transit fees to pass thru to Armenia.
 

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Seems like a lot of equipment for a random deployment.

Iran might be going for a quick land grab.... take the thin corridor as a buffer zone since Azerbaijan has been harassing Iranian trucks and charging massive transit fees to pass thru to Armenia.
We do not have the necessary support of any of the permanent members at the UNSC for such a move and that can place us under Chapter VII of the UN charter. The only reason that a tiny country like Azerbaijan has dared to provoke Iran in this way is because they know that Iran will not respond militarily to them. Otherwise it's crystal clear that Iran can invade both Narcisavan and Karabakh in a matter of days if a military conflict takes place.

This is why I insist that we should have made our move when the war between Armenia and Baku was ongoing. We do not want to be the country that starts a war. That won't be good for us at the UNSC.
 

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We do not have the necessary support of any of the permanent members at the UNSC for such a move and that can place us under Chapter VII of the UN charter. The only reason that a tiny country like Azerbaijan has dared to provoke Iran in this way is because they know that Iran will not respond militarily to them. Otherwise it's crystal clear that Iran can invade both Narcisavan and Karabakh in a matter of days if a military conflict takes place.

This is why I insist that we should have made our move when the war between Armenia and Baku was ongoing. We do not want to be the country that starts a war. That won't be good for us at the UNSC.
I tend to agree with this. It’s more than a normal deployment and very serious but land grab is risky and dangerous, could be wrong of course, unless their is a secret Russia Iran agreement , it is not going to look good and will place Iran under a lot of international pressure
 

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I tend to agree with this. It’s more than a normal deployment and very serious but land grab is risky and dangerous, could be wrong of course, unless their is a secret Russia Iran agreement , it is not going to look good and will place Iran under a lot of international pressure
I wouldn't count on a secret deal with Russia. Russia does not have a strong reason for supporting Iran. Russia's interests in the Nagorno-Karabakh were respected (unlike ours) and they do not have the incentive for supporting Iran to change the status quo. Why should they change something that works for them? Meanwhile, Russia has recently established strong economic and military ties with Turkey and it won't risk them over something that is of little importance to them. As for China, China is not going to take sides and it has more reasons to stay neutral than to support Iran.

The only viable option left for Iran is to hope for a nationalist government in Armenia that wants to nullify the agreement signed by the previous government. Then Iran can support Armenia indirectly or find an excuse to enter the show. And that is unlikely to happen because the Armenians feel at a disadvantage against the Republic of Baku and a lot of things must change in Armenia for that to happen. And again, Russia remains the main player in Armenia and I doubt Russia would be interested in that. Russia will sacrifice Armenia any time for Baku and Turkey.
 

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I tend to agree with this. It’s more than a normal deployment and very serious but land grab is risky and dangerous, could be wrong of course, unless their is a secret Russia Iran agreement , it is not going to look good and will place Iran under a lot of international pressure
What are they going to do? Sanction Iran? Lol

You are already under maximum pressure sanctions.

Nothing to lose at this point.
 

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What are they going to do? Sanction Iran? Lol

You are already under maximum pressure sanctions.

Nothing to lose at this point.
Read Chapter VII of the UN charter. Read Articles 42 and 43, for example. The UNSC can call upon Iran to leave the occupied territories immediately and right after that it can declare a no-fly zone over Iran and ask UN members to join a coalition force to restore borders to its previous status.

Article 42, Chapter 7
“Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.”

Article 43, Chapter 7
“1. All Members of the United Nations, in order to contribute to the maintenance of international peace and security, undertake to make available to the Security Council, on its call and in accordance with a special agreement or agreements, armed forces, assistance, and facilities, including rights of passage, necessary for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security.

2. Such agreement or agreements shall govern the numbers and types of forces, their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of the facilities and assistance to be provided.

3. The agreement or agreements shall be negotiated as soon as possible on the initiative of the Security Council. They shall be concluded between the Security Council and Members or between the Security Council and groups of Members and shall be subject to ratification by the signatory states in accordance with their respective constitutional processes.”

Source: UN Charter
 

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Read Chapter VII of the UN charter. Read Articles 42 and 43, for example. The UNSC can call upon Iran to leave the occupied territories immediately and right after that it can declare a no-fly zone over Iran and ask UN members to join a coalition force to restore borders to its previous status.

Article 42, Chapter 7
“Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.”

Article 43, Chapter 7
“1. All Members of the United Nations, in order to contribute to the maintenance of international peace and security, undertake to make available to the Security Council, on its call and in accordance with a special agreement or agreements, armed forces, assistance, and facilities, including rights of passage, necessary for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security.

2. Such agreement or agreements shall govern the numbers and types of forces, their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of the facilities and assistance to be provided.

3. The agreement or agreements shall be negotiated as soon as possible on the initiative of the Security Council. They shall be concluded between the Security Council and Members or between the Security Council and groups of Members and shall be subject to ratification by the signatory states in accordance with their respective constitutional processes.”

Source: UN Charter
With that logic US, Russia, and other countries couldn’t stage interventions.

US sits in middle of Syria illegally...for years. Israel is holding the Golan for decades and UN has called upon Israel to leave that land and it’s not internationally recognized belonging to Israel, but Syria. Last I checked there is not a no fly zone above Israel. Syria occupied Lebanon till early 2000’s, didn’t see a no fly zone there either:

So again as long as Iran can count on Russia or China to exercise their veto any resolution is dead on arrival.

To think that the world would enforce a no fly zone over iran because it takes a small corridor that is less than 100KM is laughable.When Iran took over the the islands in Persian Gulf, the UN didn’t say a thing.

My point is, if push comes to shove and Azerbaijan restricts Iran’s right to free trade it can establish a buffer zone to guarantee open trade with Armenia.
 

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