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In terms of Amour I agree but in terms of Infantry IRGC is ahead. At least they can dig a decent trench!


You guys are too fixated on kit and how troops look. Iran has bigger problems then just equipment. Look at the Saudis with there top of the line equipment getting their asses handed to them by 90 Lbs. malnutrition Houthi fighters in sandals. Iran should worry about being able to build a proper fortification and not placing their heavy machine gun on top of their fortification out in the open to be taken out by mortar fragments from a round hitting 30 meters away!!!
We are aware, but kit is literally the first step. You want your troops equipped well so that you may train them well. They aren't even in Step #1.
 

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We are aware, but kit is literally the first step. You want your troops equipped well so that you may train them well. They aren't even in Step #1.
Training trumps equipment. You don't need modern tactical vest, body armour and helmets to teach your troops how to dig in and conceal effectively in a defensive position. Just look at that trench system in the photos and ask your self how the hell are they supposed to survive an artillery barrage even if they had the most advanced body armour, helmets and fancy rifles with optics?
 

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My second thoughts about this extensive troop movements...Azarbiajan may be tempted to punch through Arminan main land (35 km) and reach nakhjavan territory . Iran will not accept any change on her international borders...it is possible that Russians have asked iran to also prevent such a scenario due to their defense pact with Arminia.
Now about the sorry state of the iranian conscript troops personal equipment...as always I am speechless on this issue....shame on the high command of Arteh...for a country like iran with extensive manufacturing capabilities how much does it cost to make helmets and body armor...isolation is the cause...these 60 year old farts still live in iran- Iraq war Era...they love to see their soldiers wear beat up WWII helmets...it is like a badge of honor for the bastereds...
 

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Just to add if in any case anything kickoff We may see sub-surface to land from Qazvin Sea ( also know as Caspian sea ).

We will be the second country which has sub capability in Qazvin Sea, which both countries denying having such capability.

Aliyev will receive such blow which he will never forget get, but they will be no regime change.

Remember maybe
@yavar brother, good to hear from you again.
You didnt wrote any comments regarding the latest air defence drill and the new systems shown to us, is there any opinion you can add to Bavar-373 or any other system?
 

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Lmaooo thought this was Iran-Iraq

Iranian military acts like kevlar helmets and plate carriers cost a million dollars, guaranteed the back blast of that rpg would send debris through someone's torso they're that unprotected
It’s not the cost. It’s the philosophy.

US and Israel value each soldier since the cost to train and equip is so high.

Iran views soldiers as expendable resource and thus doesn’t place high value on protecting each soldier.

Until the philosophy changes or Iran is swimming in cash (whichever comes first) this will continue.
 

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It’s not the cost. It’s the philosophy.

US and Israel value each soldier since the cost to train and equip is so high.

Iran views soldiers as expendable resource and thus doesn’t place high value on protecting each soldier.

Until the philosophy changes or Iran is swimming in cash (whichever comes first) this will continue.
Not just Iranian government but also Iranian people have a different perspective of "human value". During the funeral of Qassem Suleimani about 65 people died in stampede. Iranians are extremely emotional people, AND THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT to be so. Since so much injustice has been done to them, and the WESTERN dismissive, self-exonerating, attitude is like ...." ahhh come on, take it on the chin and get on with it. That was a long time ago."

And yet they waited 17 years to kill Qassem Suleimani for his help to the Iraqi people to defend themselves. George W. Bush had said in 1999 (a year and half before being selected by George Shultz to be the nominee for the Republican party) that he wanted revenge against Saddam for attempt (funny word here) to kill his father George H. Bush. Saddam had put a price on GHB head, not exactly a serious attempt (like bombing or rendition, etc.).

If Westerners do it, it is justified, if others do the same thing - IT IS NOT - hypocrisy and double standards is Western ways of telling others - YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO WHAT WE DO. It's alright - cause it's all white.

But this strategic and deliberate conniving attempt to ignore and dismiss Iran's genuine grievances, will eventually backfire on the West. This is one of the reasons why Iranians value life differently (less or otherwise) compared to Westerners.

When you treat life of a human being as being worthless or less worthy than yours, then you will have people who will spend less "in value" to harm you for retaliation.

An American is killed in a suicide bombing in Israel and the American court rewards $255 millions to the family. American F16 drops a bomb in 2003 on a family outside Baghdad (thinking they MUST BE the Revolutionary Guard), and killed 19 members (wife, children, grand children, in-laws) of one family with the only survivor was a 71 year old man. He lost his entire family. Everyone.

He was awarded $1,800 per person damages.

Same with Bin Laden's driver, the mentally challenged man (the one in Afghanistan, not the Yemeni Salim Hamdan) who was said to have the mind of an 11 year old. CIA rendition program which kidnapped and performed waterboarding on 3,000+ individuals living in Europe (mostly), tortured this person more than 200 times. Then when he died, U.S. gave $30,000 to his village as compensation.

Life is valued differently by different countries. Unfortunately, it is true.
 

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Not just Iranian government but also Iranian people have a different perspective of "human value".
However, this does not imply western regimes actually value their own citizens' lives out of genuine ethical considerations, compassion or humanity. Their pharmaceutical and food industries knowingly poison their own people, lie about the side effects of their products and let tens of thousands die each year for profit. The US regime lets hundreds of thousands rot in jail, dozens get killed there in abominable ways. They don't care for the hundreds of homeless dying of cold and hunger on a yearly basis.

Notice the wording of a key sentence in the post you were replying to:

US and Israel value each soldier since the cost to train and equip is so high.
That's actually true. The only reason the US and zionist regimes value each soldier is because of the money they invested in training and equipping them. Even the existence of their own soldiers, they will apprehend purely in terms of economic profit, nothing more. Any interest they show in preserving life is not for the sake of life itself, but in ignoble pursuit of material wealth.

This is how criminal and lowly the capitalist disease really is, especially at its current stage where almost every thing other than breathable air has been transformed into sellable/buyable commodity (including, to a large extent, the life of humans).

This is not the case in Islamic Iran, where the prevailing philosophy is opposite to this mischievous capitalist type of thinking.

Which is why the notion that Iran considers soldiers as an "expendable resource" is decidedly wrong. In fact, according to Iranian beliefs, martyrs ('shohadā') do not die, as highlighted by the Holy Qur'an. They are seen as 'jāvedān' - meaning they are to be remembered, glorified and cherished for all times. Martyrs are the quintessence of life, martyrs are purest love. In fact Iranians living in this material world, are considered to be doing so in the shadow of their martyrs.

Quite the contrary of mere "expendable" tools or instruments, the martyrs are society's role models, they enjoy a most prestigious standing in the people's system of values. They are what all traditionalist Iranians long to be, but God rewards only whom He chooses to with this noble and most desirable blessing.

For those willing to gain a deeper understand of these concepts, I would strongly recommend listening to Hassan Abbasi's speeches on the topic of the martyrs and martyrdom. He has a very nice and pedagogical way of summing it up: as Hassan Abbasi says, in the western capitalist world everything - including every component of western "lifestyle", is reified (meaning reduced to the status of a consumable commodity) and therefore has a price tag or 'gheymat', which reflects its marketing value at a given moment in time; by contrast, the martyr has no price whatsoever - he only has a 'bahā', since he acts in a way that God will 'buy' him up.

Kālā gheymat dārad, shahid bahā.

Iran's existential enemies (namely their occult, esoterist leadership) know this. What they fear most about Iran, is its metaphysical dimension embodied in its religious belief system. And this actually defines the nature of their animosity. It shapes the essence of the struggle between Iran and the zio-American empire - at the end of the day, this struggle has nothing to do with a competition for material gains, for power or for hegemony, but is a war of ideas, a transcendental clash between antinomical moral forces, between 'Haqq' and 'bātel'.
 
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However, this does not imply western regimes actually value their own citizens' lives out of genuine ethical considerations, compassion or humanity. Their pharmaceutical and food industries knowingly poison their own people, lie about the side effects of their products and let tens of thousands die each year for profit. The US regime lets hundreds of thousands rot in jail, dozens get killed there in abominable ways. They don't care for the hundreds of homeless dying of cold and hunger on a yearly basis.

Notice the wording of a key sentence in the post you were replying to:



That's actually true. The only reason the US and zionist regimes value each soldier is because of the money they invested in training and equipping them. Even the existence of their own soldiers, they will apprehend purely in terms of economic profit, nothing more. Any interest they show in preserving life is not for the sake of life itself, but in ignoble pursuit of material wealth.

This is how criminal and lowly the capitalist disease really is, especially at its current stage where almost every thing other than breathable air has been transformed into sellable/buyable commodity (including, to a large extent, the life of humans).

This is not the case in Islamic Iran, where the prevailing philosophy is opposite to this mischievous capitalist type of thinking.

Which is why the notion that Iran considers soldiers as an "expendable resource" is decidedly wrong. In fact, according to Iranian beliefs, martyrs ('shohadā') do not die, as highlighted by the Holy Qur'an. They are seen as 'jāvedān' - meaning they are to be remembered, glorified and cherished for all times. Martyrs are the quintessence of life, martyrs are purest love. In fact Iranians living in this material world, are considered to be doing so in the shadow of their martyrs.

Quite the contrary of mere "expendable" tools or instruments, the martyrs are society's role models, they enjoy a most prestigious standing in the people's system of values. They are what all traditionalist Iranians long to be, but God rewards only whom He chooses to with this noble and most desirable blessing.

For those willing to gain a deeper understand of these concepts, I would strongly recommend listening to Hassan Abbasi's speeches on the topic of the martyrs and martyrdom. He has a very nice and pedagogical way of summing it up: as Hassan Abbasi says, in the western capitalist world everything - including every component of western "lifestyle", is reified (meaning reduced to the status of a consumable commodity) and therefore has a price tag or 'gheymat', which reflects its marketing value at a given moment in time; by contrast, the martyr has no price whatsoever - he only has a 'bahā', since he acts in a way that God will 'buy' him up.

Kālā gheymat dārad, shahid bahā.

Iran's existential enemies (namely their occult, esoterist leadership) know this. What they fear most about Iran, is its metaphysical dimension embodied in its religious belief system. And this actually defines the nature of their animosity. It shapes the essence of the struggle between Iran and the zio-American empire - at the end of the day, this struggle has nothing to do with a competition for material gains, for power or for hegemony, but is a war of ideas, a transcendental clash between antinomical moral forces, between 'Haqq' and 'bātel'.
My friend SalarHaqq,

Very well written piece, and very deep. You have INDEED read the book MANAGEMENT OF SAVAGERY by MAX BLUMENTHAL. He has almost a whole section talking about this.

Yes, indeed you are correct, what my point was ... the perspective from most Westerners towards Iranian's perspective, not philosophical narratives from reciprocal views.

My own humble opinion, and having spent years breathing stale air in National Archive centers both in U.S. and Europe, I would summarize my opinion of the West as follows (based on my 11 years thinking and debating with Western scholars regarding this subject):

About 500 years ago, around 1512 a Portuguese commanding officer who had lost a bridge access in Africa, and had little to no food supplies and did not expect supplies delivery anytime soon, in an act of sheer desperation and without a structured systematic policy, sold a few men for labor. Then they did it again and again, nothing organized, not a policy as such, but at small scale due to economic desperation.

The British (then the step-child or black sheep in Europe and wanted to be accepted or a wanna-be of Europe) wanting to prove they can be part of European aristocracy since they have a strong enough commercial shipping infrastructure (like having high-tech industry today) was watching what everyone else was doing, as they are even today. They saw what was happening at this small scale (slavery), and started to think they can do better - since they had quite a bit of experience with slavery in 12th century Scotland. I won't go into detail on that one.

The British realized (based on experience) that they needed support from back home, from commercial shipping giants, from Barons, land owners, financiers, traders, and even the peasants. They came up with (probably) the smartest approach, up to that era ... I call it:

NATIONALIZATION OF INTERNATIONAL CRIME FOR COLLECTIVE DOMESTIC ECONOMIC PROSPERITY

They created a narrative to get (almost) everyone to support this slavery, for their own welfare/gain.

This means that they got (almost) everyone in Britain to support SLAVE TRADE out of Africa. Today most British I have spoken with, would say ... "Yes, we started slavery, at an institutional level, but also we were the first to stop".

Disingenuous.

The British stopped not because of change of heart. Because by 18th century everyone else was doing it (Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, ...) so it was saturated and because of newer technologies (e.g. steam engine), and the expense associated to slave farming (e.g. what Thomas Jefferson was doing). They stopped slave trade and used commercial shipping infrastructure for more "valuable" trade.

All the way until end of WW2, the British were committing atrocities against so many countries (almost half the countries in the world), from middle east to central Asia, south east Asia, etc. WW2 ended British domination and then the Americans took over. British people knew they were prospering from these atrocities.

London underground was paid for by Iranian oil. I have seen all the investment structures from Patterson law firm in London Old Bailey, documents you can only read from behind a glass enclosure or have to wear a special glove to touch.

What Americans deduced from the British experience, is that GOING IT ALONE is stupid (they thought the British were wrong and stubborn). You need to create a coalition, they thought. There began the new American "WORLD ORDER", ... integrating your economy with a few strong nations and hence forcing all to support you directly/indirectly as it would otherwise harm/effect your "allies" economy to harm you ... hence this new era I call:

INTERNATIONALIZATION OF CRIME FOR INTEGRATED ECONOMIC PROPERTY

No doubt, every country on the planet knew "Iraqi Invasion in 2003" was wrong/unjust/inhumane/savagery. But the so called coalition, e.g. Poland and Czech Republic, British, others, needed to join/stay in the strong U.S. economic system and needed economic support, so they joined the coalition of CRIMINALS to kill or destroy the lives of millions of Iraqis. Knowingly.

This is what is ruling (WORLD ORDER) our lives on earth today. Who is going to challenge it or fight it?

Iran.

But at a great deal of expense to itself.

There is also the Zionist ideology that has well exploited your discussion above - COMMODITIZATION OF PEOPLE AND PRINCIPLES.

All I have to do is say ... Chicago School of Economics, that started perfecting a concept from 1920s and by 1951 Milton Friedman mastered the concept of "Neo Liberalism Philosophical Debate Narrative". Means, the excuses that convinces most people, even the so-called "logical and educated" people.

COMMODITIZATION OF PEOPLE AND PRINCIPLES is something Iranians and in fact most Middle Easterners --- outright REJECT and detest.

Hence the clash of civilizations.

Western entire philosophy is based on a single principal (despite what they claim), and goes back all the way to the Roman Empire:

"... to serve your interests, at anybody else's expense".

Today almost half of Americans (or even most Iranians living in U.S.) think TRUMP is an ideal candidate for the next 4 years. Every single person I have talked to (among my friends who are Republicans), give me A SINGLE ANSWER why they like Trump.

Yes, you guessed it .... (to serve the own interests, no regards for the rights of anyone else).

They all care about THEIR TAX CUTS and financial benefits of TRUMP for 4 more years.

COMMODITIZATION OF PEOPLE AND PRINCIPLES ... serves Israel and Jewish people behind this new world order. Because when the value of people is based on MONEY ... and Jews have more money (#1, #2, #3, #4, #5 ... wealthiest Americans are Jews), then it does not matter how MANY people you have (like old armies having 1 million men, vs. an advesary that has only 10,000 soldiers etc.) Today power is not the number of people, BUT THE AMOUNT OF CASH that can fund "war" - cold war or actual "war-war". Now Jews can have POWER they would not otherwise have (numbers of people are irrelevant now) ...

Christians - about 2.3 billion (on the planet)

Muslims - about 1.8 billion (on the planet)

Buddhists - about 530 million (on the planet)

Jews - about 14 million (on the planet)

MONEY, as COMMODITIZATION OF PEOPLE AND PRINCIPLES, used to VALUE the life of a human being, is the only way for Jews to have power - and power they NOW have.

They literally control the world.

They control media (Rupert Murdock, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, and all major networks in U.S. and many in Europe and taking over others, without a doubt)

They control legal system (about 12% of the lawyers in U.S. are Jewish, but 71% of major law firms in big cities are Jewish owned - the major principals are Jews).

They control the investment (venture capital) in U.S.

They control the politicians (90% of U.S. Congress have to fight ... " I love Israel, No, I love Israel more. No I love Israel more than you. Noooo I loooove Israel much more than you".

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Sorry for the long post. But I loved your post so I wanted to reply to your great post.
 
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Iran Army chief: "Air defense has been intensified in northwest Iran... more [forces] may be deployed" to fend off spillovers of Karabakh war. "Iran will harshly respond to presence of Zionists, Islamic State and Takfiri terrorist groups at its borders."


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My friend SalarHaqq,

Very well written piece, and very deep. You have INDEED read the book MANAGEMENT OF SAVAGERY by MAX BLUMENTHAL. He has almost a whole section talking about this.

Yes, indeed you are correct, what my point was ... the perspective from most Westerners towards Iranian's perspective, not philosophical narratives from reciprocal views.

My own humble opinion, and having spent years breathing stale air in National Archive centers both in U.S. and Europe, I would summarize my opinion of the West as follows (based on my 11 years thinking and debating with Western scholars regarding this subject):

About 500 years ago, around 1512 a Portuguese commanding officer who had lost a bridge access in Africa, and had little to no food supplies and did not expect supplies delivery anytime soon, in an act of sheer desperation and without a structured systematic policy, sold a few men for labor. Then they did it again and again, nothing organized, not a policy as such, but at small scale due to economic desperation.

The British (then the step-child or black sheep in Europe and wanted to be accepted or a wanna-be of Europe) wanting to prove they can be part of European aristocracy since they have a strong enough commercial shipping infrastructure (like having high-tech industry today) was watching what everyone else was doing, as they are even today. They saw what was happening at this small scale (slavery), and started to think they can do better - since they had quite a bit of experience with slavery in 12th century Scotland. I won't go into detail on that one.

The British realized (based on experience) that they needed support from back home, from commercial shipping giants, from Barons, land owners, financiers, traders, and even the peasants. They came up with (probably) the smartest approach, up to that era ... I call it:

NATIONALIZATION OF INTERNATIONAL CRIME FOR COLLECTIVE DOMESTIC ECONOMIC PROSPERITY

They created a narrative to get (almost) everyone to support this slavery, for their own welfare/gain.

This means that they got (almost) everyone in Britain to support SLAVE TRADE out of Africa. Today most British I have spoken with, would say ... "Yes, we started slavery, at an institutional level, but also we were the first to stop".

Disingenuous.

The British stopped not because of change of heart. Because by 18th century everyone else was doing it (Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish, ...) so it was saturated and because of newer technologies (e.g. steam engine), and the expense associated to slave farming (e.g. what Thomas Jefferson was doing). They stopped slave trade and used commercial shipping infrastructure for more "valuable" trade.

All the way until end of WW2, the British were committing atrocities against so many countries (almost half the countries in the world), from middle east to central Asia, south east Asia, etc. WW2 ended British domination and then the Americans took over. British people knew they were prospering from these atrocities.

London underground was paid for by Iranian oil. I have seen all the investment structures from Patterson law firm in London Old Bailey, documents you can only read from behind a glass enclosure or have to wear a special glove to touch.

What Americans deduced from the British experience, is that GOING IT ALONE is stupid (they thought the British were wrong and stubborn). You need to create a coalition, they thought. There began the new American "WORLD ORDER", ... integrating your economy with a few strong nations and hence forcing all to support you directly/indirectly as it would otherwise harm/effect your "allies" economy to harm you ... hence this new era I call:

INTERNATIONALIZATION OF CRIME FOR INTEGRATED ECONOMIC PROPERTY

No doubt, every country on the planet knew "Iraqi Invasion in 2003" was wrong/unjust/inhumane/savagery. But the so called coalition, e.g. Poland and Czech Republic, British, others, needed to join/stay in the strong U.S. economic system and needed economic support, so they joined the coalition of CRIMINALS to kill or destroy the lives of millions of Iraqis. Knowingly.

This is what is ruling (WORLD ORDER) our lives on earth today. Who is going to challenge it or fight it?

Iran.

But at a great deal of expense to itself.

There is also the Zionist ideology that has well exploited your discussion above - COMMODITIZATION OF PEOPLE AND PRINCIPLES.

All I have to do is say ... Chicago School of Economics, that started perfecting a concept from 1920s and by 1951 Milton Friedman mastered the concept of "Neo Liberalism Philosophical Debate Narrative". Means, the excuses that convinces most people, even the so-called "logical and educated" people.

COMMODITIZATION OF PEOPLE AND PRINCIPLES is something Iranians and in fact most Middle Easterners --- outright REJECT and detest.

Hence the clash of civilizations.

Western entire philosophy is based on a single principal (despite what they claim), and goes back all the way to the Roman Empire:

"... to serve your interests, at anybody else's expense".

Today almost half of Americans (or even most Iranians living in U.S.) think TRUMP is an ideal candidate for the next 4 years. Every single person I have talked to (among my friends who are Republicans), give me A SINGLE ANSWER why they like Trump.

Yes, you guessed it .... (to serve the own interests, no regards for the rights of anyone else).

They all care about THEIR TAX CUTS and financial benefits of TRUMP for 4 more years.

COMMODITIZATION OF PEOPLE AND PRINCIPLES ... serves Israel and Jewish people behind this new world order. Because when the value of people is based on MONEY ... and Jews have more money (#1, #2, #3, #4, #5 ... wealthiest Americans are Jews), then it does not matter how MANY people you have (like old armies having 1 million men, vs. an advesary that has only 10,000 soldiers etc.) Today power is not the number of people, BUT THE AMOUNT OF CASH that can fund "war" - cold war or actual "war-war". Now Jews can have POWER they would not otherwise have (numbers of people are irrelevant now) ...

Christians - about 2.3 billion (on the planet)

Muslims - about 1.8 billion (on the planet)

Buddhists - about 530 million (on the planet)

Jews - about 14 million (on the planet)

MONEY, as COMMODITIZATION OF PEOPLE AND PRINCIPLES, used to VALUE the life of a human being, is the only way for Jews to have power - and power they NOW have.

They literally control the world.

They control media (Rupert Murdock, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, and all major networks in U.S. and many in Europe and taking over others, without a doubt)

They control legal system (about 12% of the lawyers in U.S. are Jewish, but 71% of major law firms in big cities are Jewish owned - the major principals are Jews).

They control the investment (venture capital) in U.S.

They control the politicians (90% of U.S. Congress have to fight ... " I love Israel, No, I love Israel more. No I love Israel more than you. Noooo I loooove Israel much more than you".

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Sorry for the long post. But I loved your post so I wanted to reply to your great post.
The only thing that gives me some sort of respite is knowing that Iran has fully grasped what controls America and has adjusted its own policies to such a reality. So many of us here in the States have been trying to inform people about just how deep and comprehensive Israel's control over America is to no real avail.

At least there are some nations out there that know what's actually going on and will react accordingly...
 

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