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In English, la'nat kardan is translated as 'to curse'.

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At any rate the Supreme Leader's fatwa covers both definitions of the term, as does the standpoint of other maraje' including ones like Vahid Khorasani, whom British turban supporters at one point were trying to portray as being on board with their malpractice, until he was interviewed about la'ne 'alani and spoke out against it.



Read again what you quoted.



Because our ulema haven't been open about their positions on these issues? The whole point of inviting a Sunni speaker to a Shia Islamic Center is to uphold Islamic unity despite differences, knowing that said differences are overshadowed by commonalities.



Hamas didn't ditch Iran, they supported the opposite side during the Syrian war (essentially in a verbal manner) but their relationship with Iran was never severed, relative ups and downs notwithstanding.

And the reason behind their statements on Syria has nothing to do with them being Sunni Moslems - the majority of the Syrian Arab Army's personnel has consisted of Sunni Moslems as well. Hamas' positioning had more to do with their political affiliations, namely their proximity to the Muslim Brotherhood and the hazardous outlook of the MB's Syrian branch.

Also, since you seem to be adamant about observance of religious precepts, care to remind us about the shari' sanction for calling someone a prostitute without proof? Namely, how many lashes does it consist of?



This would be another self-contradicting statement. Indeed, Shaqaqi the Sunni Moslem.

Or should we rather say, three contradictions at once. For Imam Khomeini's (r.A.a.) ideology explicitly stressed Islamic unity (i.e. Shia-Sunni unity), and martyr Fathi Shaqaqi happened to be a follower of this same ideology of unity.

http://qodsna.com/en/347395/Fathi-Shaqaqi-symbol-of-Shia-Sunni-unity

https://www.al-islam.org/articles/imam-khomeini-islamic-unity-sayyid-ruhullah-musawi-khomeini


We can also cite the heroic martyr hajj Qasem Soleimani, who is on the record for declaring that if a Shia Islamic movement was to make its appearance in Occupied Palestine, he would not be supporting it. That as far as Palestine's concerned, he is only going to work with organizations staffed by Sunni Moslems.

So, all these references you mentioned are worlds apart from the discourse you've been expressing about Sunni Moslems. There's simply no way to combine a Shirazi-style take on Sunni Islam with adherence to the principles of the Islamic Revolution. They're fundamentally antinomic.



You misunderstood me. I was denouncing an infiltration tactic employed by Shirazis, in an attempt to influence and misguide bache Hezbollahis. To no avail though, since they've systematically failed at it. Yaser al-Habib's problematic narratives have achieved nothing but to feed the enemies of the Islamic Revolution, both domestic and foreign.



And illegitimate takfir against Sunni Moslems, other than being in breach of Islamic rules, will somehow "help" expanding Iranian assistance to the Palestinian Resistance composed of Sunnis? Mass-killings of Sunni Moslems in Iran "probably too"... If you cannot see the absurdity of these propositions, then you're lost in cognitive constructs.



We have no right to dismiss Islamic guidelines on takfir. And, there are no grounds for takfir against Sunni brothers in Islam because no marja' subscribes to such a notion.



To regard a hadith as truthful is one thing, the way in which it is interpreted is another. Literal interpretation is not the only existing type of tafsir'. Most heavyweight traditional Sunni scholars will not operate a literal reading of the hadith.

Anti-Shia takfiris have resorted to the exact same faulty method in an attempt to twist the meaning of Shia Islamic sources and falsely ascribe grotesque beliefs to Shia Moslems.



When it comes to this topic, there's no self-censorship on the part of the Shia marja'iat. Individuals like Yaser al-Habib offer the type of hogwash their foreign sponsors expect them offer in accordance with the empire's sinister agenda for the Islamic world.



Yet, in your preceding posts you were advocating the following conduct vis à vis Sunni Moslems of Iran and neighboring countries:





Which would be no better than the treacherous murder of the Five Shia clerics you're comparing to. And actually exceeds the latter multiple times in scope. Thus I'm not exactly the one one who's been spinning things around, am I?

As for Safavid rulers I must repeat, they did not fight those people because they were Sunni, but because of internal and external conflicts of political nature.



Not really. It's unrelated to my statement though.



Hence why I highlighted that one will find all kinds of episodes in the history of Shia-Sunni relations. Your discourse however conveys the notion that it was exclusively one of conflict and animosity, which is incorrect.



So the Ahlol Beyt (a.s.) took issue not with taquti potentates, but with Sunni Moslems as a whole? Their practices consisted in trying to eradicate Sunni Islam through the use of force, torture, warfare, demographic planning? Review your sources.



When you obfuscate the distribution of power and the general geostrategic picture across periods of time, you'll inevitably arrive at nonsensical conclusions.

Pretending that the overarching contemporary threat to Shia Moslems (and to Sunni Moslems as well, for that matter) does not stem from the zio-American empire but from Sunnis as such, will leave one with no more than two conceivable rhetoric subterfuges:

1) Denial of the zio-American hand in propping up takfiri terrorist groups and in empowering them to conduct their mischief in the first place. Those who indulge in such denial would be well advised to have a better look at the plethora of both hard and circumstantial evidence substantiating the fact.

2) Denial of where power and wealth is concentrated in today's world, and what parties will therefore constitute the potentially bigger threats. And major resources aren't in the hands of a bunch of pathetic takfiri goons, they're elsewhere.

It's noteworthy that Shirazi types share the discussed outlook with pro-western liberals and exiled oppositionists of various political shades - all of them will go out of their way trying to whitewash the leading role of NATO and the zionists in generating the terrorist grouplets which have been causing trouble in Iran's vicinity and beyond.



Adressed this already.




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https://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01282/

Next time stick with grand-ayatollah Sistani, rather than putting trust in questionable London-based preachers who are busy emulating extremist wahhabis in stirring fitna between Moslems.



And in the Shia world it made its appearance under the Safavids.



Except for the presenter who invited pilgrims to do so on one of the Shirazi clan's numerous satellite broadcasts.



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And established ulema won't let British-sponsored preachers bend Shia tradition to endanger Islamic unity.



Because when someone does wrong including in the words they use, it doesn't entitle us to follow suit. Profanity, especially in this kind of framework, isn't conforming to Islamic akhlaq.



I don't remember speaking of moftkhori, nor accusing the Islamic Republic thereof.



Well, it seems you need to start learning Persian a.s.a.p. Because the question of hejab in pre-Islamic times has been discussed quite often on Iranian national television and other media.



Islamic Iran will never stoop to "I"SIS' level because Islamic Iran is no NATO / zionist proxy.
May I ask you why you sent this entire retarded monologue to me twice?
 

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Albania is a NATO member so unlikely any action can be taken against MEK while they are hosted there. Best option is to arm Serbia; Iran could set up a drone factory there like it did for Russia.

Serbia has had no major conflict with Albania. Only with Albanian-speaking Kosovo which used to be part of its territory.

Lesson for "ethno"-nationalist separatists in West Asia who claim to speak on behalf of communities that straddle several countries, and who are being assisted by NATO and/or the zionist regime: should they ever succeed in separating lands from the nation-states they inhabit, their patrons are not going to let them unify the newly independent entities into one, just as they wouldn't allow Albania to annex Kosovo. Just as autonomous Kurdish regions in Iraq and Syria remain separate.

The zio-American empire's goal is to split nation-states of the region into multiple parts, not to replace them with equally large entities simply by shifting borders into a given direction.



These kids will grow up and and unless their minds change things are not looking good for the revolution. The videos of school girls coming out of Iran should be concerning for the Iranian authorities. Little girls are usually the furthest away from politics but in Iran even they are defying authority.

Those seen in pictures and videos are from middle to upper class backgrounds. Hardly a majority. And conditioned in their thinking by both their families and by the unrelenting, massive propaganda the enemy is flooding Iranians with 24/7 through the internet. It's high time for Iranian authorities to introduce the National Internet system that's been talked about for ages, and efficiently filter out undesired content at long last.



I hope so

However we should consider the whole internet and 500 Persian speaking satellite tv channels are working against Iran

The National Internet project along with an enforcement of the ban on satellite receivers, is key to neutralizing the enemy's cultural soft war against the Iranian people, against the traditional religion of the land and against local culture. Hence why liberals i.e. NATO's fifth column in Iran, have been mobilizing their entire resources to delay and sabotage the implementation of the National Internet.
 

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Those seen in pictures and videos are from middle to upper class backgrounds. Hardly a majority. And conditioned in their thinking by both their families and by the unrelenting, massive propaganda the enemy is flooding Iranians with 24/7 through the internet. It's high time for Iranian authorities to introduce the National Internet system that's been talked about for ages, and efficiently filter out undesired content at long last.
Brother salar, there is something deeply wrong in Iran if school girls in dozens are openly desecrating sacred religious symbols like that. In Pakistan a man wouldn't be able to show his face in public if his daughter acted like that.
 

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Brother salar, there is something deeply wrong in Iran if school girls in dozens are openly desecrating sacred religious symbols like that. In Pakistan a man wouldn't be able to show his face in public if his daughter acted like that.
Brother haidar they're not even 1:100000000 of our society

End of story from me..
 

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There you go again, babbling like a retard. You think hair will magically sprout out of a scalp that has been ruined by a laser?

A woman prides herself on her hair being long and luxurious (unless she's mentally ill and follows some retarded trend). What will they do once they can't grow hair? Wear a wig which would make it obvious what happened to them and who they are? It defeats the entire purpose.
and you made two assumption both wrong .
first you assumed laser is permanent . well no its not .
two you think laser is the only way to cut hair.
do you want me make a list of actress who shaved their head for a movie

and about women pride themselves on their long hair again wrong , maybe in India yes m last summer i shaved my head and went to hospital , two of the other female residents after that also cut their hair to about 1-1.5cm which in my book is far from long and lustrous .
and be assured if you do that they wont wear a wig . they show it as a honor badge and many other girl go shave their head
 

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Those seen in pictures and videos are from middle to upper class backgrounds. Hardly a majority. And conditioned in their thinking by both their families and by the unrelenting, massive propaganda the enemy is flooding Iranians with 24/7 through the internet. It's high time for Iranian authorities to introduce the National Internet system that's been talked about for ages, and efficiently filter out undesired content at long last.
in Tehran in south the situation was a lot violent and they were from low to middle class.
and the middle class is the actual power in a country

but honestly when you talk i have doubt what you mean . so if you give us a definition of what you call middleclass thus unimportant and hardly a majority . in healthy society middle class is the majority.


funny part is you want to defend islandic values , but what you suggest is filtering and not allowing the other voiced be heard , somebody may think islandic values have nothing to say against western values that you have to silence them and force people only hear one voice . honestly is it how you see islandic values ? weak , unappealing , a culture of force and harshly silencing opposition ?
 

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Brother haidar they're not even 1:100000000 of our society

End of story from me..
that would be 0.8 person , they are far larger percentage and each day pass they become more numerous unless some fundamental change in how we represent our cultural identity and Islamic value happens
 

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Brother salar, there is something deeply wrong in Iran if school girls in dozens are openly desecrating sacred religious symbols like that. In Pakistan a man wouldn't be able to show his face in public if his daughter acted like that.

I assume that by religious symbols, you are referring to the hejab?

At any rate, we can say that in this regard, Iran differs from Pakistan in two ways:

1) So-called societal "modernization". There's a contrast in indicators such as female school enrollment, urbanization, access to media and the internet and so on.

One of the most shining thinkers of the Islamic Revolution, our dear shahid Morteza Motahhari, once had a dream: that of a process of modernization which would not end up threatening the standing of our religion in society, unlike to the path taken by the freemason-controlled west. He correctly argued that historically, the Islamic world had not witnessed the type of tensions observable in the west between religious institution and science.

However, forty three years on, my personal conclusion is that this objective was missed. And the reason squarely lies in the cultural aggression Islamic Iran and the Iranian population have been subjected at the hands of an immensely resourceful enemy. No nation, no society is immune to social engineering, propaganda, psy-ops on a grand scale - no matter the authenticity, the robustness, the purity of its civilizational traditions.

Modernization, in turn, immensely facilitates the enemy's sinister task, because it opens up technological and societal avenues for cultural aggression.

In other terms, we will witness similar phenomena in Pakistan once similar tresholds of social and human development (in the sense of the United Nation's HDI) are reached.

Motahhari's vision would certainly have come true, had Iran been spared from these three to four decades of all-out soft war, because his theoretical premises were accurate.

2) The intensity of above mentioned cultural aggression in the case of Iran versus Pakistan. Of course the imperialist enemy and its underlying globalist oligarchy have no intention of sparing any nation - Islamic or non-Islamic. However, they are concentrating on their main geostrategic adversaries first. Hence their obsession with Iran and the Islamic Revolution, which has been a priority target to them.

This all being said, the school girls shown in the media during recent days were essentially from the upper middle class to upper class bourgeoisie. Not representative of the majority of society.
 
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in Tehran in south the situation was a lot violent and they were from low to middle class.

School girls weren't involved in any violence, and the bulk of those seen did not show up in southern Tehran.

but honestly when you talk i have doubt what you mean . so if you give us a definition of what you call middleclass thus unimportant and hardly a majority . in healthy society middle class is the majority.

The upper middle class and upper class are not a majority in Iran, nor in most other countries.

funny part is you want to defend islandic values , but what you suggest is filtering and not allowing the other voiced be heard , somebody may think islandic values have nothing to say against western values that you have to silence them and force people only hear one voice . honestly is it how you see islandic values ? weak , unappealing , a culture of force and harshly silencing opposition ?

"Islandic values"? It may be funny to someone with an insufficient, politicized understanding of social processes.

First of all yes, in a post-modern setting, those who promote the lofty values of religion will be at an inherent disadvantage over their adversaries. Because of the characteristics and parameters of post-modernity and the way it conditions human existence.

Second of all, people do not necessarily decide based on reason, nor do they necessarily choose what's best for them. It's enough to study two modern disciplines (or their modern variants) to understand how people can be manipulated: political propaganda, and commercial advertising. On a deeper level yet, there's social engineering - a methodical process of intervening into and shaping the collective mind, which results in a transformation of society irreversible through other means.

Third of all, quantity and aesthetic, formal gimmickry trumps content in post-modern media communication and messaging. Here, the enemy's resources cannot be matched by Islamic Iran. And asymmetrical resistance in this field is not conceivable, as opposed to the realm of hard power. Therefore, in order to level the playing field, the enemy's channels of cultural uprooting must be interrupted to the best possible extent.
 
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