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Theirs alot more beyond the Autonomous regions that Russia currently holds, I would agree if they only held Donbass and Luhansk

Like what? Besides Kherson and Mariupol. Kherson isn’t worth anything. Mariupol at least has the coastline.

Russia is letting grain be exported. You think if USA was laying siege to Iran they would allow Iran to export gas/oil/grain? That shows just how “soft” Russia has to be to keep some countries in the world neutral in this conflict.

Give it time and Ukraine will have a short range BM capability and long range CM capability (remember Iran’s KH-55 came from Ukraine). After that Russian ships and bases will all be vulnerable to fire on native Ukraine land.

Just look at the recent Crimea base attack with a S-350 guarding the base Russia lost at least 10 SU-30/Su-34

At this rate those ex-Egyptian SU-35s might go to Russian airforce.
 

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IR wants to sign a deal. IR signing it's own death warrant to get benefits for only 2 years while losing it's nuclear infrastructure. Well played

The system deserves to fall if it is so naive like this.

The problem is not the idea of sanctions removal and economic connection. That is obviously good, the idea that the participants of the JCPOA will sign an agreement that will benefit Iran is a major joke, as if they have any intention of that. Especially the joke that it can last even 2 years. At most 6 years.

Why on earth would they give benefits to Iran, and tying Iran's economic future to this deal is also a joke, many problems can be solved without the JCPOA and many problems, the JCPOA will not solve. Not to mention their is absolute 0 guarantee that any EU country will even want to work in Iran or any other nation will want to expand relations with Iran due to American sanctions fear.

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برنامه مخفی چی

پیچیده تره اینهاست این بازی

برجام قطعی شده نیس
 

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IR wants to sign a deal. IR signing it's own death warrant to get benefits for only 2 years while losing it's nuclear infrastructure. Well played

The system deserves to fall if it is so naive like this.

The problem is not the idea of sanctions removal and economic connection. That is obviously good, the idea that the participants of the JCPOA will sign an agreement that will benefit Iran is a major joke, as if they have any intention of that. Especially the joke that it can last even 2 years. At most 6 years.

Why on earth would they give benefits to Iran, and tying Iran's economic future to this deal is also a joke, many problems can be solved without the JCPOA and many problems, the JCPOA will not solve. Not to mention their is absolute 0 guarantee that any EU country will even want to work in Iran or any other nation will want to expand relations with Iran due to American sanctions fear.

Iran needs the US to rip up the deal a second time. Hence why they need to come back into the deal. If US rips up the deal again, the world will just give up and blame the US. “Fool me once....”

But if Iran refuses a deal now it will be “Trump made the initial mistake, but Iran’s at fault for not returning”

Iran’s establishment also wants to show the people of Iran that the US is not trustworthy.

As for nuclear regression, everything is temporary. The machines will be dismantled and put under seal (not destroyed). IR-6 is basically mass production ready. IR-9 is probably still 5+ years away.

The centrifuge parts plant in Natanz or Isfahan will take some time to be built and ready. The underground facility that makes Fordow look like child’s play being built will take another 2-3 years to be operational. That is Iran’s power play for post 2024 world.

So in 2024/2025 Iran can quickly ramp up nuclear capability in 6-9 months if US pulls out. It will have way more protection of its entire nuclear chain (centrifuge parts and enrichment will be under IRGC control and under a mountain safe from sabotage).

It’s a nice chess play quite honestly. It’s not like Iran was gonna dash for the bomb in 2023. Plus Iran needs to access some frozen funds for domestic needs and military ones. 100B+ is frozen right now I believe.
 

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If the war ended today with borders frozen as are, who would you declare the winner ? Russia underestimated the Ukrainians at first but they adjusted and are winning, have essentially won. Russia has taken control of Ukraine's industrial heartland, 1/5th, soon to be 1/4th of its territory, Ukraine lays in ruins and will be in debt to the US/IMF/World Bank for atleast 70 years, Zaporizhia powerplant provides 20% of Ukraine's power for the region and Russia is cutting off Ukraine and transfering it to its power grid. Ukraine has been cut off from the ocean almost completely and will be very lucky if they get out of this with Odessa in their grasp, which I doubt. Anyways let's keep watching and see who wins Russia or the NATO puppet Ukraine with a president who used to dance in high heels ? Btw recenty Ukraine sent a shipment of grains to Lebanon and it got rejected because it had been in storage for too long and wasn't worth the price the business man is quoted as saying. Now they're off to Syria to beg Assad to take their leftover grain nobody even wants. Remember flour has a shelf life of 6 months. This grain has been sitting for 3, more than likely 4 with the travel time realistically. After transfer costs, processing into flour that will basically be 5-6 months. Ukraine should have negotiated from the start. They could have simply remained a nuetral country and traded prosperously with the EU/Russia/China/Middle East/ ETC. Instead they chose to become EU's b#tch and now look at them.

I'm not going to list all the military blunders that have exposed Russia's military as an extremely archaic, corrupt and inept institution.

But Russia underestimating Ukrainian capabilities and preparedness is going down as one of the most consequential intelligence failures in the history of conflict studies. You can't simply overlook the extreme incompetence of the entire Russian security apparatus ever since they decided to invade their neighbouring country. Which makes it even more disgraceful because Ukraine should have been effectively penetrated by Russian intelligence considering the fact that Russia is familiar with its territory, entire political system and the close ethnic/linguistic ties it holds with its fellow Slavic brethren.

The US simply outplayed Russia post-2014, as it effectively and clandestinely organized Ukrainian defence and intelligence forces to resist an expected Russian invasion. And now Russia is bogged down in an highly unpopular operation that has united the West, enlarged NATO and gave Ukraine its own Iran-Iraq War that will eventually mould a fairly young nation into one with extreme anti-Russian sentiments. Who cares if Ukraine suffers from it? It's quite clear that Russia has failed to topple the Ukrainian government, and will not be able to make any worthwhile territorial advances that would prevent Ukraine from posing any threat to it. And in the meanwhile, what is left of Ukraine is quickly going to be integrated with the West - politically, economically and militarily.

Russia has failed big time, and I'm sure this understanding is slowly making ways in Moscow.

But as I said, this isn't necessarily bad for Iran. On the contrary, Russia's receding power will eventually force Moscow to stop looking at Iran as a junior partner which it can occasionally use as a negotiating card in its dealings with the West. And we're already seeing an outright Russian charm offensive vis-à-vis Iran that demonstrates this.
 
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Iran needs the US to rip up the deal a second time. Hence why they need to come back into the deal. If US rips up the deal again, the world will just give up and blame the US. “Fool me once....”

But if Iran refuses a deal now it will be “Trump made the initial mistake, but Iran’s at fault for not returning”

Iran’s establishment also wants to show the people of Iran that the US is not trustworthy.

As for nuclear regression, everything is temporary. The machines will be dismantled and put under seal (not destroyed). IR-6 is basically mass production ready. IR-9 is probably still 5+ years away.

The centrifuge parts plant in Natanz or Isfahan will take some time to be built and ready. The underground facility that makes Fordow look like child’s play being built will take another 2-3 years to be operational. That is Iran’s power play for post 2024 world.

So in 2024/2025 Iran can quickly ramp up nuclear capability in 6-9 months if US pulls out. It will have way more protection of its entire nuclear chain (centrifuge parts and enrichment will be under IRGC control and under a mountain safe from sabotage).

It’s a nice chess play quite honestly. It’s not like Iran was gonna dash for the bomb in 2023. Plus Iran needs to access some frozen funds for domestic needs and military ones. 100B+ is frozen right now I believe.
Well, when you put it like that...
 

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I'm sorry I just feel like you're trolling me at this time point. Russia occupies 1/5 of Ukrainian territory, including most of the coastline, which is vital to Ukraine's economy and prosperity. Furthermore Ukraine's entire industrial capacity was based in the eastern sector, now gone.

The Zaparizhia nuclear power plant is the largest in Ukraine providing 20% of the electricity for Ukraine. Russia is now severing that electricity from Ukraine and connecting the power plant to its own grid. Ukraine just sent grain to Lebanon. The buyers rejected it since the grain is 3-4 months old at this point and flour only has a 6 month shelf life. Now the ship is going to Syria to beg Assad to buy their grain.

Russia didn't even mobilize. If Russia had mobilized with 1 million + men instead of 150-200,000 they would have easily won. They simply did not expect Ukraine to put up a fight. US intelligence also thought that Kiev would fall in 3 days. Intelligence is not always 100%, it just is what it is at the time.

Russia is fighting not Ukraine but NATO through Ukraine. By the end of this war, Ukraine will be cut off from the entire coastline and after that if they don't want to negotiate Kharkiv will be surrounded. It's not a matter of if but when.

Are you forgetting about the disastrous American blunder in Afghanistan recently. 3 TRILLION down the drain, for what ? for nothing. They trained an army for 20 years, it lasted 1.5 months. What do you call that glorious ? victorious ? War is not always straightforward. Stop buying into US made video games and Hollywood movies.

The US went into Iraq in 2003 after bombing and starving the country for 12 years. They sent 375,000+ men into a 300-400 KM frontline. A very Straightforward frontline going from south to north. In an alternate universe if the US had sent in 170,000 troops into Ukraine and Ukraine had the same support and weapons do you think the US would have performed much better ? Abrams would have done better against Javelins ?

The truth is that the Russians tried to do something that goes directly against American / NATO doctrine. They tried to avoid mass casualties, keep everything intact and make the war as painless as possible. That's how they did it in 2014 in Crimea. Don't forget that in Iraq the US killed 1 million civilians.

Again war is not straightforward. WW2 was an absolute disaster for the Soviets at first but in the end they came out on top as a global superpower. You realize that out of 15 German Pzh 2000 howitzers, only 5 are still operational ? Why because of maintenance issues. Apparently firing the howitzer 100 times a day puts too much of a strain on its internal mechanisms.

>It's quite clear that Russia has failed to topple the Ukrainian government, and will not be able to >make any worthwhile territorial advances that would prevent Ukraine from posing any threat to >it.

By all means put it simply because you clearly lack the coherence and strategic insight to make it intelligible or sophisticated.

I'm not going to list all the military blunders that have exposed Russia's military as an extremely archaic, corrupt and inept institution.

But Russia underestimating Ukrainian capabilities and preparedness is going down as one of the most consequential intelligence failures in the history of conflict studies. You can't simply overlook the extreme incompetence of the entire Russian security apparatus ever since they decided to invade their neighbouring country. Which makes it even more disgraceful because Ukraine should have been effectively penetrated by Russian intelligence considering the fact that Russia is familiar with its territory, entire political system and the close ethnic/linguistic ties it holds with its fellow Slavic brethren.

The US simply outplayed Russia post-2014, as it effectively and clandestinely organized Ukrainian defence and intelligence forces to resist an expected Russian invasion. And now Russia is bogged down in an highly unpopular operation that has united the West, enlarged NATO and gave Ukraine its own Iran-Iraq War that will eventually mould a fairly young nation into one with extreme anti-Russian sentiments. Who cares if Ukraine suffers from it? It's quite clear that Russia has failed to topple the Ukrainian government, and will not be able to make any worthwhile territorial advances that would prevent Ukraine from posing any threat to it. And in the meanwhile, what is left of Ukraine is quickly going to be integrated with the West - politically, economically and militarily.

Russia has failed big time, and I'm sure this understanding is slowly making ways in Moscow.

But as I said, this isn't necessarily bad for Iran. On the contrary, Russia's receding power will eventually force Moscow to stop looking at Iran as a junior partner which it can occasionally use as a negotiating card in its dealings with the West. And we're already seeing an outright Russian charm offensive vis-à-vis Iran that demonstrates this.
 

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Russia didn't even mobilize. If Russia had mobilized with 1 million + men instead of 150-200,000 they would have easily won. They simply did not expect Ukraine to put up a fight. US intelligence also thought that Kiev would fall in 3 days. Intelligence is not always 100%, it just is what it is at the time.

Don’t mean to interrupt the discussion.

But Russia could not do a full mobilization. That would be the end of Putin. I would like you to tell me the last time a global power did a full mobilization in response to invading another country. Hasn’t happened in a long time.

Iran and Iraq weren’t global powers. Iraq didn’t mobilize till Iran mobilized 1M+ volunteers and Iraq’s territorial integrity was threatened. There was a draft during Vietnam by USA, that’s probably the closest one.

And yes US intelligence failed in both Afghanistan and Russia. In Russia’s case they still thought they were dealing with Red Army. The defender fighting for his motherland (Ukraine 2022, Iran 1980) has an incredible advantage psychologically if the defender believes the war is unjustly imposed on them. Or else you get Iraq in 2003 where most of military evaporated because they were against the central government of Saddam.

It’s peculiar Russian military high command really thought 300-350K soldiers would be enough to conquer most of Ukraine. Even if they expected a full utter collapse, an insurgency would likely have developed. 350K troops across all of Ukraine would be overstretched.

Furthermore, it’s widely accepted in military circles that when attacking a city/Town the attacker needs to have 3 to 1 numerical advantage in order to negate or blunt defender advantage. Russia didn’t have enough forces to take Kiyv, Odessa, Kharkiv. The lack of contingency planning if Ukraine did not collapse like a lawn chair is what was so peculiar about the war.

Instead if from the beginning Russia had focused on Donbass and Luchnask provinces plus Mariupol as its objectives, it would have likely been a successful war with clear and realistic objectives.
 

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وقت غرب رو تلف کردن چی
برنامه مخفی چی

پیچیده تره اینهاست این بازی

برجام قطعی شده نیس
کدوم برنامه مخفی بابا؟
دل خودتون رو به چرت و پرت خوش کردید
پونصدتا گزارش از آژانس اطلاعات و آژانس امنیت آمریکا هست که ایران دیگه از ۲۰۰۳ به این ور برنامه عماد (آماد) رو ادامه نداده

وقت غرب رو تلف کردن؟ بیشتر غرب وقت ما رو داره تلف می‌کنه. ما هستیم که چند صد میلیارد دلار پولمون بلوکه شده و اقتصادمون در حال فروپاشی هست. ایران هست که تحت فشار هست، نه غرب. از توهم بیرون بیاید. تورمی که الان تو غرب هست آرزوی محال هر ایرانی هست این روزها. مردم دارن با تورم رسمی بالای ۵۰ درصد زندگی می‌کنند در حالیکه افزایش حقوق اکثراً زیر ۲۵ درصد بوده. تازه تورم واقعی خیلی بیشتر از تورم رسمی هست

اصلاً برنامه مخفی هسته‌ای هم گیریم داشته باشیم، با اجرا شدن دوباره برجام باید فاتحه برنامه تجاری / غیرنظامی ایران رو خوند. با ۵ هزار سو توان غنی سازی تو برجام نزدیک ۴۰ سال طول می‌کشه تا سوخت فقط یکسال نیروگاه فعلی بوشهر رو آماده کنیم. یعنی وابستگی کامل به روسیه برای سوخت هسته‌ای
یعنی چند صد میلیارد دلار ضرر به خاطر تحریم برای در عمل هیچ. یعنی بزرگترین خیانت در تاریخ مدرن ایران. در بهترین حالت ۲ سال ایران رو راه می‌دن تو بازار انرژی تا اثر جنگ روسیه - اوکراین خنثی بشه و کارشون بگذره و بعدش هم مثل سری پیش برجام رو یک طرفه نقض می‌کنند و در آخر هم مثل همیشه ایران مقصر می‌شه. اینی که اگه بار دوم نقض کنند فرقی می‌کنه حرف بچگانه‌ای هست. از همون توهمات دار و دسته روحانی هست که می‌گفتند دستاورد برجام این بود که دروغ غرب رو برملا کرد. اگه قرار به این‌ها بود قذافی قبلاً این کار رو کرده بود

اگه برجام احیا بشه من حتی یک درصد هم شک نخواهم داشت که جمهوری اسلامی دست نشونده کشورهای خارجی برای بالا کشیدن پول مردم ایران و عقب نگه داشتن ایران هست. الان دیگه ترکیه و عربستان و امارات هم دارن برنامه موشکی و هسته‌ای راه می‌اندازن. ما اگه درجا بزنیم خیلی زود از همشون عقب می‌افتیم. همین الانش هم داره دیر می‌شه وای به حال اینکه برجام احیا بشه دوباره​
 
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I still think that Putin could have declared war on Ukraine and sent in a proper force. Ukraine was actively threatening to invade Crimea (Russian territory) and even threatened to build nuclear armaments and it then it became evidence through the Hunter Biden laptop that they were even messing with chemical weapons.

All that along with the fact that they refused to stop bombing civilians in the Donbas, could have been Putin's Casus Belli. However Putin greatly underestimated the Ukrainians, so did his intelligence and western intelligence for that matter but anyways Putin calculated that declaring war might actually negatively effect his popularity.

In any case, yesterday Kadirov stated that 20,000 additional Chechen elite troops were being sent into Ukraine immediately. The Russians have also been training tens of thousands of additional troops since March. Also after the referendums they will be able to mobilize the entire population of all the regions they control in southern Ukraine. They've already done this is in the Donbas.

Allegedly this week was one of the worst ever for Ukraine sustaining casualties. I wonder if Iran has actually sold hundreds of drones to Russia. I'm also wondering if there will be a winter war. Kim Jung Un recently offered to send 1 million troops to fight in Ukraine in exchange for fuel and grain. That would be hilarious but its obviously not going to happen.

Have you heard that out of 15 German PZH 2000 Howitzers only 5 are still operational, not because they've been damaged or destroyed but because they've broken down and already need maintenance. Apparently the internal components cannot sustain firing 100 shells a day. Russian artillery seems to be superior in this regard. Some western tech really is over rated, honestly.



Don’t mean to interrupt the discussion.

But Russia could not do a full mobilization. That would be the end of Putin. I would like you to tell me the last time a global power did a full mobilization in response to invading another country. Hasn’t happened in a long time.

Iran and Iraq weren’t global powers. Iraq didn’t mobilize till Iran mobilized 1M+ volunteers and Iraq’s territorial integrity was threatened. There was a draft during Vietnam by USA, that’s probably the closest one.

And yes US intelligence failed in both Afghanistan and Russia. In Russia’s case they still thought they were dealing with Red Army. The defender fighting for his motherland (Ukraine 2022, Iran 1980) has an incredible advantage psychologically if the defender believes the war is unjustly imposed on them. Or else you get Iraq in 2003 where most of military evaporated because they were against the central government of Saddam.

It’s peculiar Russian military high command really thought 300-350K soldiers would be enough to conquer most of Ukraine. Even if they expected a full utter collapse, an insurgency would likely have developed. 350K troops across all of Ukraine would be overstretched.

Furthermore, it’s widely accepted in military circles that when attacking a city/Town the attacker needs to have 3 to 1 numerical advantage in order to negate or blunt defender advantage. Russia didn’t have enough forces to take Kiyv, Odessa, Kharkiv. The lack of contingency planning if Ukraine did not collapse like a lawn chair is what was so peculiar about the war.

Instead if from the beginning Russia had focused on Donbass and Luchnask provinces plus Mariupol as its objectives, it would have likely been a successful war with clear and realistic objectives.
 

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Stupid Rohani. Compare his reaction to when Trump ripped up the deal to the Russian reaction to sanctions. Russia immediately froze all USD/EUR to Ruble trade for a short period. They then pegged the Ruble to Gold. They then made all payments for Russian gas mandatory in Ruble. They also boosted the interest rate by a large margin. Rohani didn't even have a contingency plan.

How is this deal even worth it. The next Republican president will simply cancel it. Maybe Iran will get some passenger planes out of it and some short term contracts, but I don't see any western companies making any long term commitments to Iran. I don't think its worth it for Iran unless the US can give Iran some sort of iron glad guarantee or something that would make it worth Iran's while if the Americans leave again.

It's simply not worth the risk. Honestly. the Americans won't even commit to removing the Trump era sanctions. What is the point then ? They'll simply claim impose new sanctions and claim that they are not nuclear related. They're not serious about having long term bilateral relations. So what's the point then ? Iran should walk away and go nuclear. Buy some Russian jets and hardware and keep investing in its own capabilities and industry.

If the Iranian people didn't learn the first time, they won't learn the 2nd, or 3rd , ... times either
 

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کدوم برنامه مخفی بابا؟
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پونصدتا گزارش از آژانس اطلاعات و آژانس امنیت آمریکا هست که ایران دیگه از ۲۰۰۳ به این ور برنامه عماد (آماد) رو ادامه نداده

وقت غرب رو تلف کردن؟ بیشتر غرب وقت ما رو داره تلف می‌کنه. ما هستیم که چند صد میلیارد دلار پولمون بلوکه شده و اقتصادمون در حال فروپاشی هست. ایران هست که تحت فشار هست، نه غرب. از توهم بیرون بیاید. تورمی که الان تو غرب هست آرزوی محال هر ایرانی هست این روزها. مردم دارن با تورم رسمی بالای ۵۰ درصد زندگی می‌کنند در حالیکه افزایش حقوق اکثراً زیر ۲۵ درصد بوده. تازه تورم واقعی خیلی بیشتر از تورم رسمی هست

اصلاً برنامه مخفی هسته‌ای هم گیریم داشته باشیم، با اجرا شدن دوباره برجام باید فاتحه برنامه تجاری / غیرنظامی ایران رو خوند. با ۵ هزار سو توان غنی سازی تو برجام نزدیک ۴۰ سال طول می‌کشه تا سوخت فقط یکسال نیروگاه فعلی بوشهر رو آماده کنیم. یعنی وابستگی کامل به روسیه برای سوخت هسته‌ای
یعنی چند صد میلیارد دلار ضرر به خاطر تحریم برای در عمل هیچ. یعنی بزرگترین خیانت در تاریخ مدرن ایران. در بهترین حالت ۲ سال ایران رو راه می‌دن تو بازار انرژی تا اثر جنگ روسیه - اوکراین خنثی بشه و کارشون بگذره و بعدش هم مثل سری پیش برجام رو یک طرفه نقض می‌کنند و در آخر هم مثل همیشه ایران مقصر می‌شه. اینی که اگه بار دوم نقض کنند فرقی می‌کنه حرف بچگانه‌ای هست. از همون توهمات دار و دسته روحانی هست که می‌گفتند دستاورد برجام این بود که دروغ غرب رو برملا کرد. اگه قرار به این‌ها بود قذافی قبلاً این کار رو کرده بود

اگه برجام احیا بشه من حتی یک درصد هم شک نخواهم داشت که جمهوری اسلامی دست نشونده کشورهای خارجی برای بالا کشیدن پول مردم ایران و عقب نگه داشتن ایران هست. الان دیگه ترکیه و عربستان و امارات هم دارن برنامه موشکی و هسته‌ای راه می‌اندازن. ما اگه درجا بزنیم خیلی زود از همشون عقب می‌افتیم. همین الانش هم داره دیر می‌شه وای به حال اینکه برجام احیا بشه دوباره​

حالا بگذار یرجام بشه بعد بگو

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IR wants to sign a deal.

No, the JCPOA is not a signed deal. It's an informal political declaration of intent, not a proper international accord as per the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. In and of itself, the JCPOA is not even legally binding (the subsequent UN Security Council resolution is what tends to lend JCPOA stipulations such a quality).

Nothing was and nothing will ever be "signed" in this regard.
 
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