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I agree with your notion that Western Societies are overly promoting LGBTQ+ culture. But it comes from a disingenuous place.

Let me explain:

First I can only speak of the US, but the country is divided roughly in half by the conservatives who more or less hate this promotion and the liberals who more or less think society should give a stage to those who have been shunned for so long.

I will say it is tiring to be shoved LGBTQ+ information 24/7 and I am not the only one who feels this way.

I should say I am not against what one wants to believe or feel. If someone who is homosexual wishes to be homosexual I think they should have that right. We need to avoid being God in this case. Wether it is morally right to be gay or bi sexual that is for them to decide not fellow citizens.

That being said the spread of transgender, gender neutral, binary, gender fluid, identifying as a horse (a joke) that to me points to signs of mental illness. But again maybe I am not “woke” enough to accept these additions. To me there was always straight, bi sexual, and homosexual.

Anyway back to the original topic, this LBTQ+ promotion is happening from a disingenuous place. It’s really happening from these mega companies who are promoting this as a way to gain further revenue and seem like they care about “social causes”. Quite a number of the executives of these companies are mostly conservative, yet in their press releases they promote this stuff. Very disingenuous. Only want to be seen by the public as up to date on latest issues and generate more revenue.

Hollywood has already milked this LGBTQ+ as much as they can. They thrown a character in every movie just to seem “woke”. If the story calls for LGBTQ+ character by all means put one in, but don’t try to force every movie to have some “wokeness”.

Anyway for Iran this is positive. If Western society wants to destroy its moral and fabric and stoke divisions then it only helps Iran as it weakens the empire.
A suddenly rare piece of rational thinking. At the end, I suggest to our progressive and justice seeking friends that the rightness or wrongness of the alphabet soup strain is not a priority discussion. Furthering the implementation of justice, free education, elimination of disease, poverty, famine, are. Promotion of human purity, freedom of faith, happiness and wealth are.

Anything that gets in the way of those must be shoved aside. Examples are alphabet soup, ‘free speech’, etc.
 

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Mohsen get out of the Caveman age. Homosexuality has been seen among intelligent animals and traces its roots to earliest major human civilizations.

The vast majority (if not nearly all) of homosexuality is a biochemistry issue not a environment issue.

Homosexuality in Iran exists, so does that mean the IR of Iran are turning Iranians gay? Nonsense.
Your theories on homosexuality are false, lemme give you a better counter theory you cant counter - its linked to psychological + emotional damage from either absent or dysfunctional fathers. PROVE THAT WRONG. i've noticed in US that 90% of the gay people i know, had bad father relationships..and US has higher gay % than rest of the world - EU is apparently ~4% gay, but US is apparently 8-9% gay, and we know relationships in the US ARE FUCKD, so many single parents, so much narcissm, so much control and manipulation, and the deprioritization of what it takes to make people normal and ok - good family and family relationships...SAME THING WITH THE DRUGS - why US loves drugs the most? once again, US as a country has failed to raise normal balanced citizens...there is a reason Tsinghua university in China still categorizes homosexuality as a mental illness...because there are links between it and psychological imbalance.
 

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اثبات اینکه ایران موفق شد TF-30 را مهندسی معکوس کند کجاست؟



محسن از عصر غارنشین برو بیرون. همجنس گرایی در میان حیوانات باهوش دیده شده است و ریشه آن به اولین تمدن های بزرگ بشری می رسد.

اکثریت قریب به اتفاق (اگر نه تقریباً همه) همجنس گرایی یک موضوع بیوشیمی است نه یک موضوع محیطی.

همجنس گرایی در ایران وجود دارد، پس آیا این بدان معناست که جمهوری اسلامی ایران ایرانی ها را همجنس گرا می کند؟ مزخرف.
Iknow what ur thinking is .dont be like wind every time on better one side
 
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it is related to some anatomical different in brain


you can't teach homosexuality as you can't teach sexual preference

In ancient Greece, every man was homosexual.... this was the norme.... every boy was brought up to see gay sex as the normal thing todo....
Sexual preference can very much be taught.
You can still see in different societies where sex with animals or children is widespred.... you think it´s the genetics that determines sexual preference or is it social norms?

In American prisons, gay sex is common.... is it because of their genetics or environment that leads to this kind of activity?
 

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Just one week after taking Severodonetsk, the Russians have quickly stormed the city of Lysychansk. The entire region claimed by the Lugansk Peoples Republic is now in the hands of Moscow and its allies.

 
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In ancient Greece, every man was homosexual.... this was the norme.... every boy was brought up to see gay sex as the normal thing todo....
Sexual preference can very much be taught.
You can still see in different societies where sex with animals or children is widespred.... you think it´s the genetics that determines sexual preference or is it social norms?

In American prisons, gay sex is common.... is it because of their genetics or environment that leads to this kind of activity?
I'm more interested in the source of your claim , than the claim itself
 

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you can't teach homosexuality as you can't teach sexual preference

Sexuality is not strictly a matter of biology but also of social conditioning. The notion that so-called sexual preference including homosexuality is determined by brain structure alone is a type of thinking typical of the 1980's. Nowadays in developed countries hardly anyone is making this claim.

Of course in Iran (and more generally across the global south) liberals will push the old narrative focused on biological determinism because that's the perfect argument to use in nations where laws are still based upon traditional religious norms i.e. stipulating for strict prohibition of homosexuality. To reverse the traditional posture of society towards homosexuality, local supporters of the globalist agenda will thus resort to the said narrative (as in "poor gays, it's not their fault since they don't really have a choice, how can our laws be so cruel and discriminate against them for actions outside their control?").

And as soon as these restrictions are lifted, liberals will then shift their discourse to constructivism in order to take aim at hetero-normativity which they'll describe as a patriarchal, machismo and homophobic order resulting from structural heterosexual bias in public and private education.

At any rate, whatever an individual's predisposition, the social and cultural context will impact their behaviour. Therefore yes, these school curriculae will have an undeniable impact on those exposed to them, in the very same way as excessive sexualization through the media, omnipresent mass pornography and so on have contributed to deregulation of people's sexuality; and in the same manner as the western world's so-called "sexual revolution" of the 1960's was not a consequence of genetic mutation but in fact of social engineering (i.e. not even of spontaneous, logical evolution and adaptation of society, but of deliberate manipulation from above).
 
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Sexuality is not strictly a matter of biology but also of social conditioning. The notion that so-called sexual preference including homosexuality is determined by brain structure alone is 1980's thinking. Today hardly anyone is making that claim in developed countries.

Of course in Iran (and more generally across the global south) liberals will push the old narrative about biological determinism because that's the perfect argument to use in nations where laws are still based upon traditional religious norms i.e. stipulating for strict prohibition of homosexuality. To undermine the traditional posture of society towards homosexuality, local supporters of the globalist agenda will thus resort to the said narrative (as in "these poor people, it's not their fault nor do they really have a choice, how can our laws be so cruel and discriminate against individuals for actions outside their control?").

And as soon as these restrictions are lifted, they'll then shift their discourse to constructivism in order to take aim at hetero-normativity which they will describe as a patriarchal, machismo and homophobic order resulting from structural heterosexual bias in public and private education.

At any rate, whatever an individual's predisposition, the social and cultural context will impact their behaviour. Therefore yes, these school curriculae will have an undeniable impact on those exposed to them, in the very same way as excessive sexualization through the media, omnipresent mass pornography and so on contributed to deregulation of people's sexuality; and in the same way as the western world's so-called "sexual revolution" of the 1960's was not a consequence of genetic mutation but in fact of social engineering (i.e. not even of spontaneous, logical evolution and adaptation of society, but of deliberate manipulation from above).

You misunderstand what he is saying:

He is saying without the genetic pre-disposition to homosexuality, the environment stimulus is irrelevant! You cannot force someone to be homosexual based on environment alone.

Or else Iran a country that separates genders in school up till the collegiate/university level should have one of the highest homosexuality % in the world. I mean after all, most of a child’s life is spent in school (and sleeping). If you are surrounded by ONLY the same sex for that long then hypothetically if you are correct about your environment theory then homosexuality should arise at a much greater % due to the environment than co-gender schools.

Yet that DOES NOT happen. Why is that? It’s clear without a genetic predisposition to homosexuality than the environment can be simply considered irrelevant at that point.
 

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You misunderstand what he is saying:

He is saying without the genetic pre-disposition to homosexuality, the environment stimulus is irrelevant! You cannot force someone to be homosexual based on environment alone.

I understood well, and it's incorrect. The environment can and does very well impact sexual behaviour. I cited several concrete examples and precedents to this effect. Even gave the reason why in Iran, liberals are stuck with a biological determinist take on homosexuality which has had no currency in the west beyond the 1970's-1980's (same liberals who otherwise are quick to adopt every dominant western discourse). It's all perfectly thought through by the imperial powers-to-be.

Or else Iran a country that separates genders in school up till the collegiate/university level should have one of the highest homosexuality % in the world. I mean after all, most of a child’s life is spent in school (and sleeping). If you are surrounded by ONLY the same sex for that long then hypothetically if you are correct about your environment theory then homosexuality should arise at a much greater % due to the environment than co-gender schools.

The pivotal factors in this regard (i.e. beyond biology) are education and cultural influences, not whom one is surrounded by per se. Otherwise, incest ought to be the single most widespread form of sexual activity because children spend most of the time with their close relatives, much more than they do with any single peer from school.
 
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