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SalarHaqq

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Donbass offensive is still very slow and grinding for both sides. 90% of Russia‘s current gains were made in first 2 weeks. So everything has gone largely as I thought it would when everyone was saying Russia is going to take over everything.

Not even retired Russian generals are calling it a successful campaign. It was designed as a blitzkreig now it’s morphed into Iran and Iraq war basically in terms of the grind.

I don’t know how anyone can look at that war and not say Ukrainian resistance was very formidable. Yes Eastern Ukraine is now bombed to bits. Most people here were saying Kiyv will fall. Now we are waiting for Donbass and Luchnask to fall.

The Russian special military operation in Ukraine and the Imposed War are very different. In Ukraine, there's no back and forth, only one side is steadily advancing, and will end up acquiring a large chunk of the other's territory. Here the defeated side is the one which enjoys massive foreign backing including from the west, like Iraq during the Imposed War. In the Imposed War, the attacker failed to reach its objectives. In the present Russian military operation, Moscow is attaining its goals.

I don't know who the users were who predicted a blitzkrieg or that the city of Kiev would be taken by 40.000 Russian troops. But they weren't a majority. Besides, it doesn't take away from Russia's prowess if a majority of layman users on some internet website issue too optimistic predictions.

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If Kramatorsk falls, the battle for the Donbas is basically over.

Slavyansk rather than Kramatorsk. Slavyansk is better defended and of greater importance, both in military-strategic and in political terms. Either way, both of the twin-towns will be liberated soon enough.

After that if Ukraine doesn't want to negotiate Russia will likely go for Odessa.

The border to Transnistria, and therefore Odessa, are official Russian objectives since general Rostam Minnikhanov announced that Moscow will no longer settle for less than this whole area. I believe we should stick to the official statements. Likewise, Russia never proclaimed the liberation of Kiev as an objective, therefore those who argue Moscow was "defeated" because it chose not to send troops into the city are talking nonsense.

Now Ukraine would have to offer something of tremendous political value for Russia to moderate its present war objectives.
 
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According to Worldbank data we are at level of 2004 :partay:
really dude?

 

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Well you're basically implying that the GDP should be strictly determined by exchange rate. So then Turkey, since last year, its currency has lost half of its value, should we cut their GDP by half ?

PPP then might be a better way of gauging GDP. According to the PPP standard Iran's GDP is 980 billion (IMF) 1.1 trillion (World Bank). Considering that, my original estimate of 700-950 is not that unrealistic.
Ok, no. GDP, By its definition, is the "measure of the market value of all the final goods and services produced in a specific time period". Lets consider Turkey, Lets say we calculate this figure to be x Turkish liras, Now Lets say the Turkish government prints a bunch of money and adds them to the system overnight and now we calculate this figure to be 2*x Turkish liras at the same time Turkish lira is going to lose half of its value against the dollar so you are going to get the same GDP figure when you convert it to the USD equivalent. Now if we use a fixed exchange rate for the Turkish lira when we are trying to convent this 2*x figure to the USD then we are going to conclude that the Turkey's GDP grow by 100% over night! This is what's happening with the IMF's report on Iran's GDP.
 

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I mean look at the graph. Since 1990, Iran’s GDP a has fluctuated between 200B and 500B.

But suddenly during the worst sanctions period (2016-2022) its economy tripled in size?

I mean come on guys that’s physically impossible.

I don’t know how any rational logical thinking minded person can look at that graph and say that it’s legitimate data.

The Russian special military operation in Ukraine and the Imposed War are very different. In Ukraine, there's no back and forth, only one side is steadily advancing, and will end up acquiring a large chunk of the other's territory. Here the defeated side is the one which enjoys massive foreign backing including from the west, like Iraq during the Imposed War. In the Imposed War, the attacker failed to reach its objectives. In the present Russian military operation, Moscow is attaining its goals.

I don't know who the users were who predicted a blitzkrieg or that the city of Kiev would be taken by 40.000 Russian troops. But they weren't a majority. Besides, it doesn't take away from Russia's prowess if a majority of layman users on some internet website issue too optimistic predictions.

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Slavyansk not Kramatorsk. Slavyansk is better defended and of greater importance, both in military-strategic and in political terms. Either way, both of the twin-towns will be liberated soon enough.



The border to Transnistria, and therefore Odessa, are official Russian objectives since general Rostam Minnikhanov announced that Moscow will no longer settle for less than this whole area. We must stick with official statements, not subjective interpretations or estimates. Likewise, Russia never proclaimed the liberation of Kiev as an objective, therefore those who argue Moscow was "defeated" because it chose not to send troops into the city are talking nonsense.

Now Ukraine would have to offer something of tremendous political value for Russia to moderate its present war objectives.

My comment about this turning into imposed war is The lack of major advancements by both sides and Ukraine being supported by most of the Western world militarily and economically. Not a direct comparison.
 

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My comment about this turning into imposed war is The lack of major advancements by both sides and Ukraine being supported by most of the Western world militarily and economically. Not a direct comparison.

Russia is advancing at a modest pace but uninterruptedly. Unlike the Imposed War, Russian advances are definitive except when they are meant to be tactical maneuvers (the strategic initiative has always been with Russia). Initial progression by the Iraqi army in Khuzestan was entirely reversed by Iran. Ukraine however will never regain Melitopol, Berdjansk, Marjupol and so on. They're taken by Russia forever.

Once the Donbass is liberated - and there really doesn't seem to be anything Ukraine and its backers can do to prevent it, the Kiev regime's most solid defensive line will have been pierced through. Then Russian forces will most probably continue to advance either in the direction of Zaporozhzhia and Dnjepropetrovsk, or towards Odessa or to Kharkov (or several of these at the same rime).
 
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Clear video evidence has emerged that the Palestinian Journalist was targeted by IDF soldiers with NO militants nearby or present.

This is clear evidence of war crime.

Yet nothing will likely get done. West only cares about war crimes if it’s done by a non-Western aligned power (Russia, Iran, China, Syria, etc).
 

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اخباری میاد از احتمال حملات همزمان اسراییل و ترکیه به سوریه

البته این خودش یک فرصته اما

آدم دلش میسوزه خانواده رییس مجلس ما میرن ترکیه خرید
 

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Another school shooting in the USA, 15 dead.

While those Iranians who let themselves be influenced by enemy psy-ops and propaganda may stay under the delusion that crime levels in the USA and Iran are even remotely "similar", the actual fact is that none of this ever happens in Iran, and that Iranians are incomparably more secure than Americans.

Unlike residents of the USA, Iranians do not have to live in constant fear that their children will get murdered while at school, among many other such examples. Simply mind-boggling is the level of lunacy, depravity and barbarianism US society has reached.

Sad for sure, but also excessively revolting. Revolting what horrors the US regime and its perverted system is making its citizens endure.

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14 students, one teacher killed in Texas elementary school shooting​

Published Tue, May 24 20224:20 PM EDT Updated 2 Hours Ago
Elisha Fieldstadt, Minyvonne Burke and Dennis Romero

14 children, 1 teacher dead in Texas school shooting

Fourteen students and one teacher were killed in a shooting Tuesday morning at a Texas elementary school, Gov. Greg Abbott said.

The suspected shooter, who might have had a handgun and a rifle, was fatally wounded in the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, about 83 miles west of San Antonio, he said.

“It is believed that he abandoned his vehicle, then entered into the Robb Elementary School in Uvalde with a handgun, and he may have also had a rifle,” Abbott said in a news briefing.

“He shot and killed, horrifically and incomprehensibly, 14 students and killed a teacher,” the governor said.

A woman reacts outside the Ssgt Willie de Leon Civic Center, where students had been transported from Robb Elementary School after a shooting, in Uvalde, Texas, May 24, 2022.

A woman reacts outside the Ssgt Willie de Leon Civic Center, where students had been transported from Robb Elementary School after a shooting, in Uvalde, Texas, May 24, 2022.

The mass casualty incident, reported shortly after 11:30 a.m., was no longer active Tuesday afternoon, authorities said. The suspected shooter was identified as Salvador Ramos, 18, multiple senior law enforcement sources said.

“The investigation is leading to tell us the suspect did act alone during this heinous crime,” Pete Arredondo, the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, said at a news conference.

Families of the deceased were being notified, he said.

President Joe Biden has been briefed on the attack and will likely address the nation this evening, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Twitter.

“His prayers are with the families impacted by this awful event, and he will speak this evening when he arrives back at the White House,” she said.

Initial accounts indicated 13 children were taken to the emergency room at Uvalde Memorial Hospital after the shooting at Robb Elementary, according to a Facebook statement and hospital CEO Tom Nordwick. Two were transferred and one is pending a transfer, Nordwick said in a phone call.

People react outside the Sgt Willie de Leon Civic Center, where students had been transported from Robb Elementary School after a shooting, in Uvalde, Texas, May 24, 2022.

People react outside the Sgt Willie de Leon Civic Center, where students had been transported from Robb Elementary School after a shooting, in Uvalde, Texas, May 24, 2022.

In addition, two people were pronounced dead before they arrived at the hospital, Nordwick said. Their names and ages were not released.

Two officers were struck when they apparently exchanged gunfire with the shooter, Abbott said. They sustained non-life-threatening injuries, he said.

University Health, based in San Antonio, said in a tweet that it was treating a child and a 66-year-old woman who is listed in critical condition. The child, a 10-year-old girl, was also in critical condition, the hospital said.

The school serves second through fourth grades in a city that’s nearly half non-English speaking, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

News of the suspect’s capture came less than an hour after the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District announced on Twitter that there was “an active shooter” at the elementary school.

“Law enforcement is on site. Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. As soon as more information is gathered it will be shared,” the tweet said.

The public was urged to avoid the area, according to the police department’s Facebook post.

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Students were being taken to Uvalde High School for reunification with parents, police and the school district said. But the district asked parents not to pick up their children.

“You will be notified to pick up students once all are accounted for,” an update from the district said.

The district’s last day of school is Thursday.

The shooting occurred after new FBI statistics released Monday showed active shooter incidents in 2021 surged by more than 50 percent from 2020 and by nearly 97 percent from 2017.

Uvalde, incorporated in 1888 as a ranch and crossroads town, has a population of 8,921, according to the census.

This is breaking news. Check back for updates.

 
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Another school shooting in the USA, 15 dead.

While those Iranians who let themselves be influenced by enemy psy-ops and propaganda may stay under the delusion that crime levels in the USA and Iran are even remotely "similar", the actual fact is that none of this ever happens in Iran, and that Iranians are incomparably more secure than Americans.

Unlike residents of the USA, Iranians do not have to live in constant fear that their children will get murdered while at school, among many other such examples. Simply mind-boggling is the level of lunacy, depravity and barbarianism US society has reached.

Sad for sure, but also excessively revolting. Revolting what horrors the US regime and its perverted system is making its citizens endure.

_____

14 students, one teacher killed in Texas elementary school shooting​

Published Tue, May 24 20224:20 PM EDT Updated 2 Hours Ago
Elisha Fieldstadt, Minyvonne Burke and Dennis Romero

14 children, 1 teacher dead in Texas school shooting

Fourteen students and one teacher were killed in a shooting Tuesday morning at a Texas elementary school, Gov. Greg Abbott said.

The suspected shooter, who might have had a handgun and a rifle, was fatally wounded in the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, about 83 miles west of San Antonio, he said.

“It is believed that he abandoned his vehicle, then entered into the Robb Elementary School in Uvalde with a handgun, and he may have also had a rifle,” Abbott said in a news briefing.

“He shot and killed, horrifically and incomprehensibly, 14 students and killed a teacher,” the governor said.

A woman reacts outside the Ssgt Willie de Leon Civic Center, where students had been transported from Robb Elementary School after a shooting, in Uvalde, Texas, May 24, 2022.

A woman reacts outside the Ssgt Willie de Leon Civic Center, where students had been transported from Robb Elementary School after a shooting, in Uvalde, Texas, May 24, 2022.

The mass casualty incident, reported shortly after 11:30 a.m., was no longer active Tuesday afternoon, authorities said. The suspected shooter was identified as Salvador Ramos, 18, multiple senior law enforcement sources said.

“The investigation is leading to tell us the suspect did act alone during this heinous crime,” Pete Arredondo, the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, said at a news conference.

Families of the deceased were being notified, he said.

President Joe Biden has been briefed on the attack and will likely address the nation this evening, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Twitter.

“His prayers are with the families impacted by this awful event, and he will speak this evening when he arrives back at the White House,” she said.

Initial accounts indicated 13 children were taken to the emergency room at Uvalde Memorial Hospital after the shooting at Robb Elementary, according to a Facebook statement and hospital CEO Tom Nordwick. Two were transferred and one is pending a transfer, Nordwick said in a phone call.

People react outside the Sgt Willie de Leon Civic Center, where students had been transported from Robb Elementary School after a shooting, in Uvalde, Texas, May 24, 2022.

People react outside the Sgt Willie de Leon Civic Center, where students had been transported from Robb Elementary School after a shooting, in Uvalde, Texas, May 24, 2022.

In addition, two people were pronounced dead before they arrived at the hospital, Nordwick said. Their names and ages were not released.

Two officers were struck when they apparently exchanged gunfire with the shooter, Abbott said. They sustained non-life-threatening injuries, he said.

University Health, based in San Antonio, said in a tweet that it was treating a child and a 66-year-old woman who is listed in critical condition. The child, a 10-year-old girl, was also in critical condition, the hospital said.

The school serves second through fourth grades in a city that’s nearly half non-English speaking, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

News of the suspect’s capture came less than an hour after the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District announced on Twitter that there was “an active shooter” at the elementary school.

“Law enforcement is on site. Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. As soon as more information is gathered it will be shared,” the tweet said.

The public was urged to avoid the area, according to the police department’s Facebook post.

107066487-1653426408279-map.jpg


Students were being taken to Uvalde High School for reunification with parents, police and the school district said. But the district asked parents not to pick up their children.

“You will be notified to pick up students once all are accounted for,” an update from the district said.

The district’s last day of school is Thursday.

The shooting occurred after new FBI statistics released Monday showed active shooter incidents in 2021 surged by more than 50 percent from 2020 and by nearly 97 percent from 2017.

Uvalde, incorporated in 1888 as a ranch and crossroads town, has a population of 8,921, according to the census.

This is breaking news. Check back for updates.



This was 6 days ago. Why did you not mention it? It’s because you always curate your news. Ignore the negative on the side you are defending and only promote the positive of that side. Hardly unbiased way of making arguments.

There are 393 million guns in hands of US citizens.

If there were even 100 million guns (1/4) in the hands of Iranians in Iran. Do you think there would be more shootings? Or do the mentally ill and/or criminally violent not exist in Iran?

Imagine riots on gasoline/food subsidies if every rioter had access to an handgun.

What’s saving Iran from extremely violent crime is strict controls over guns in hand of civilian population. After all, how many people can you kill with a knife in 10 mins vs a AR-15?

If that Afghan in Qom attack had a pistol or AR-15 he would have killed scores (10+) instead of 3.
 
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