Iranian Chill Thread

[PersianNinja]

Well my point is that the US led sanctions were supposed to break Russia and make the Ruble worthless. In that regard they failed, especially since the sanctions have now caused energy prices to skyrocket at a time when the global economy is vulnerable after Covid.

Think about it, if Iran could survive the sanctions and is now selling just as much oil as before the sanctions, what could make anyone think that they could cripple Russia ? Russia is a massive country with limitless resources at their disposal.

To be honest with you, this isn't the win russia claims it is. Denmark has gas too which it can pump to Germany and the Scandinavian states and the remainder of Europe will likely be supplied by the Gulf States via a pipeline through Turkey.

In time, they'll even make a shift towards nuclear energy and in the end, russia will be left with only one significant client for energy - china. They'll make up the volume of russian gas trade but at heavy discounts and it won't fill the void Europe left.

No, what will hurt russia more in the short-term is the exodus of technological companies and ban of exports of electronic components to russia. China will be their hub of acquisition for the aforementioned but even it will restrict sales as much as possible because it doesn't want to get sanctioned as well for selling contraband to Moscow. However, after the war has ended, they'll probably chalk out an alternate route/compromise.

 

[jauk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1528705664549277700

...and the Iranian Sarmatians:

Sarmatians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

His Majesty Sultan Haitham bin Tarik today held a round of official talks with President Dr. Ebrahim Raisi of the Islamic Republic of Iran at Al Alam Palace.

The talks explored various aspects of bilateral cooperation and ways of enhancing the strong ties binding the peoples of Oman and Iran. The aim is to exchange views about issues of common concern.

Oman, Iran sign eight pacts in various fields​

Oman News Agency (ONA) revealed that the Sultanate of Oman and the Islamic Republic of Iran sign at Al Alam Palace eight memoranda of understanding and four cooperation programmes in the fields of oil and gas, transport, diplomatic studies and training, radio and television, higher education, research and innovation, agriculture, livestock and fisheries, plant protection and quarantine, specifications, standards and conformity assessment.

The two friendly countries also signed cooperation programmes, the first related to the fields of trade, investment and services, the second to an executive programme for technical cooperation in the fields of labour and employment, and the third to an executive programme for cooperation in the field of environment. While the fourth to an executive programme for cooperation in the field of sports for the years 2023-2025.

 

[MisterSyed]

Ok fair enough only -2 points since you don't watch Iran-England.This one is spicy too.

This is why Iranians support two teams ...

I mean if i get the time i would watch the whole campaign mann. 2014 WC hits diff i watched almost all matches, Semi final was a heart break though

 

[PersianNinja]

His Majesty Sultan Haitham bin Tarik today held a round of official talks with President Dr. Ebrahim Raisi of the Islamic Republic of Iran at Al Alam Palace.

The talks explored various aspects of bilateral cooperation and ways of enhancing the strong ties binding the peoples of Oman and Iran. The aim is to exchange views about issues of common concern.

Oman, Iran sign eight pacts in various fields​

Oman News Agency (ONA) revealed that the Sultanate of Oman and the Islamic Republic of Iran sign at Al Alam Palace eight memoranda of understanding and four cooperation programmes in the fields of oil and gas, transport, diplomatic studies and training, radio and television, higher education, research and innovation, agriculture, livestock and fisheries, plant protection and quarantine, specifications, standards and conformity assessment.

The two friendly countries also signed cooperation programmes, the first related to the fields of trade, investment and services, the second to an executive programme for technical cooperation in the fields of labour and employment, and the third to an executive programme for cooperation in the field of environment. While the fourth to an executive programme for cooperation in the field of sports for the years 2023-2025.

Unrelated but do you know what the exact figures were for Iran's real GDP in 2021? Information for this year is also appreciated.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Unrelated but do you know what the exact figures were for Iran's real GDP in 2021? Information for this year is also appreciated.

Mr. Ruhani after 2018 was sneaky about economic data and this year's IMF Iran GDP-PPP is very weird.

2021 was last year of Mr Ruhani's government and during Covid-19 lockdowns on top of sanctions :

According to the IMF’s World Economic Outlook report released in October 2021, Iran is even ranked higher than regional countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey as two heavyweight economies, which are members of the G-20 group.

I think there are different sources stating 1-1.4$ T for Iran's 2021GDP-Nominal.

Iran’s GDP stands at $1tr despite economic war

TEHRAN - The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has put the Islamic Republic of Iran’s GDP at 1 trillion dollars in the year 2021.

www.tehrantimes.com

For current year even with slightly inaccuracy of IMF data, Iran rank would be somewhere between 14-16th.

 

[PersianNinja]

Mr. Ruhani after 2018 was sneaky about economic data and this year's IMF Iran GDP-PPP is very weird.

2021 was last year of Mr Ruhani's government and during Covid-19 lockdowns on top of sanctions :

According to the IMF’s World Economic Outlook report released in October 2021, Iran is even ranked higher than regional countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey as two heavyweight economies, which are members of the G-20 group.

I think there are different sources stating 1-1.4$ T for Iran's 2021GDP-Nominal.

Iran’s GDP stands at $1tr despite economic war

TEHRAN - The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has put the Islamic Republic of Iran’s GDP at 1 trillion dollars in the year 2021.

www.tehrantimes.com

For current year even with slightly inaccuracy of IMF data, Iran rank would be somewhere between 14-16th.

Is it even possible for Iran to have such a high GDP despite it being sanctioned more than North Korea?

Also, why has none of this supposed prosperity translated into benefits for the Iranian people?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Mr. Ruhani after 2018 was sneaky about economic data and this year's IMF Iran GDP-PPP is very weird.

2021 was last year of Mr Ruhani's government and during Covid-19 lockdowns on top of sanctions :

According to the IMF’s World Economic Outlook report released in October 2021, Iran is even ranked higher than regional countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey as two heavyweight economies, which are members of the G-20 group.

I think there are different sources stating 1-1.4$ T for Iran's 2021GDP-Nominal.

Iran’s GDP stands at $1tr despite economic war

TEHRAN - The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has put the Islamic Republic of Iran’s GDP at 1 trillion dollars in the year 2021.

www.tehrantimes.com

For current year even with slightly inaccuracy of IMF data, Iran rank would be somewhere between 14-16th.

Be ready to be shocked by this year data

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Is it even possible for Iran to have such a high GDP despite it being sanctioned more than North Korea?

Also, why has none of this supposed prosperity translated into benefits for the Iranian people?

Low oil prices helps Iran's economy sometimes because we couldn't export it that much so we used it at home.I think some where close to 2019 Trump sanctions became irrelevant in that sense.

It's almost a decade that Iran could be top 20 but they artificially kept Iran out.

From my understanding sanctions designed in a way that you have very few options to counter them,if you want growth your people will suffer.
If you don't want the growth it's easier on people.

To break these sanctions you need the growth so ...

Be ready to be shocked by this year data

Is it so much different than current IMF data ?

 

[PersianNinja]

Low oil prices helps Iran's economy sometimes because we couldn't export it that much so we used it at home.I think some where close to 2019 Trump sanctions became irrelevant in that sense.

It's almost a decade that Iran could be top 20 but they artificially kept Iran out.

From my understanding sanctions designed in a way that you have very few options to counter them,if you want growth your people will suffer.
If you don't want the growth it's easier on people.

To break these sanctions you need the growth so ...

My point is that nobody should have to struggle for basic necessities like food and shelter.

Instead of the whole social program where rations are distributed to the poor, the government should invest that money in desalination plants and hydroponic farms to grow food for the people under poverty line. In fact, they can even be employed under such schemes and associated businesses and jobs can be created to support such ventures (for example building projects to create homes for workers on the premises, grocery stores/supermarkets to keep them supplied, transportation to and from the site etc.).

Adversities into opportunities, my man.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Low oil prices helps Iran's economy sometimes because we couldn't export it that much so we used it at home.I think some where close to 2019 Trump sanctions became irrelevant in that sense.

It's almost a decade that Iran could be top 20 but they artificially kept Iran out.

From my understanding sanctions designed in a way that you have very few options to counter them,if you want growth your people will suffer.
If you don't want the growth it's easier on people.

To break these sanctions you need the growth so ...


Is it so much different than current IMF data ?

The difference is calculating it according to each dollar 4200 toman or 25600 toman

 

[DoubleYouSee]

The difference is calculating it according to each dollar 4200 toman or 25600 toman

even now we are able to sell oil and petrochemical products

 

[Hack-Hook]

even now we are able to sell oil and petrochemical products

That at most is 40 to 50 percent of our export or economy is mainly driven our domestic production and market and then it converted to dollar

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

The difference is calculating it according to each dollar 4200 toman or 25600 toman

Few years ago Iran had 2-2.5 T GDP-PPP so 1.7T nominal is not that far.

There are similar cases which countries changed their economy and went to remove subsidies completely.I think Poland did it in 5 years and numbers relatively speaking were similar.

My point is that nobody should have to struggle for basic necessities like food and shelter.

Instead of the whole social program where rations are distributed to the poor, the government should invest that money in desalination plants and hydroponic farms to grow food for the people under poverty line. In fact, they can even be employed under such schemes and associated businesses and jobs can be created to support such ventures (for example building projects to create homes for workers on the premises, grocery stores/supermarkets to keep them supplied, transportation to and from the site etc.).

Adversities into opportunities, my man.

I'm also firm believer of minimum red line for food,healthcare and education firm hater of top maximum red line.where should this red line be ? that's up for debate.

Wouldn't it be better if government educate people , give them loans and put rails so people go on and do all these things ?

 

[PersianNinja]

Wouldn't it be better if government educate people , give them loans and put rails so people go on and do all these things ?

Iran already educates people and for free. They reward it by running away to the West and enriching the enemy.

No, it's far better that the government sets up an initiative at home to get all these low income people employed and working. More skilled jobs should be given to qualified candidates for handsome salaries so as to lock down talent.

Give these people loans and they'll either waste it or take the money and flee abroad.