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Even if you want to believe that the F-16 is actually par with Rafale, which many analysts doubt, India has more of everything. A larger industrial base, more manpower, more weapons and most crucially Islamabad and Pakistan's industrial base are close to their border but not vise versa.

Pride is one thing but realistically, on paper, Pakistan is at a severe disadvantage militarily vs India. Pakistan can have short term success, but in the long run, if it's just India vs Pakistan, India should prevail 9 times out of 10.

Like I said, India and Pakistan, are more or less on par in terms with technology, but India has several other advantages. In Kashmir Pakistan's only hope is for China to chip in. This should effectively distraction India while China can launch a surprise attack and close down the Siliguiri corridor (Indian chickens neck)

that is the only hope of knocking out India out of the war quickly, The Siliguri corridor is a narrow stretch of land which connects western, greater India to north eastern India.

Personally I believe that Kashmir should be allowed to choose its own fate. The elections/referendum should be UN supervised. If Kashmir wants to be a member of India then fine, if they want to be an independent state then fine, if they want to join Pakistan than so be it. Really that would avoid so much pointless war and bloodshed. Unfotunately neither side are willing to let go of their pride.


Bhai if Iran rejected JF 17 (which I don't know if you were really offered) it does not mean JF 17 is not a good jet for us.what air war experience they have to judge any jet.with 4 BVR 2 WVR, missiles,JF 17 is very good fighter against Indian Mig 29 ,LCA Tejas, mig 21,jaguars,su 30,etc.
For Rafael we have F16 ( its upgraded my friend) block 3 thunder ( with AESA radar) and J10c delta wing for strike roles.

Again i will repeat they have no technological superiority.

You are saying their infra is very far away,you should know that our missiles cover whole of Indian subcontinent we can strike them no matter how far they are.

Allies are helpful but first you should prepare on your own.we are in wars from day one so we know their capabilities and also know what harm we can do to them.
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Bhai you think Pakistan can't fight its wars you on its own.ok carry on thinking so. You think they can hit our infra,I said our missiles cover whole Indian subcontinent so we can also hit them.

Rafael is very capable fighter jet no doubt but it doesn't mean we can't counter it.our F 16 is very capable also.J10c is also on its way to PAF, JF 17 has been equiped with AESA radar.

Check our war history we have fought all our wars on our own.so we are constantly upgrading our abilities.do not know why it's hard for you to get it.
 

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Bhai you think Pakistan can't fight its wars you on its own.ok carry on thinking so. You think they can hit our infra,I said our missiles cover whole Indian subcontinent so we can also hit them.

Rafael is very capable fighter jet no doubt but it doesn't mean we can't counter it.our F 16 is very capable also.J10c is also on its way to PAF, JF 17 has been equiped with AESA radar.

Check our war history we have fought all our wars on our own.so we are constantly upgrading our abilities.do not know why it's hard for you to get it.
He`s certainly not doubting pakistans ability to fight a war,I dont think anyone does,merely its ability to WIN a war,or failing that,at least to achieve a stalemate where neither side could claim a clear win.
 

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He`s certainly not doubting pakistans ability to fight a war,I dont think anyone does,merely its ability to WIN a war,or failing that,at least to achieve a stalemate where neither side could claim a clear win.
He was saying ludicrious stuff that is not even the ground reality in the Pakistan-India scenario or calculus such as bogus severe advantages or victories that never happened. He was talking about an alternative world because that reality is not in this world maybe from another dimension.

While the truth is that we have kept the parity this is our doctrine. Also we are not here to partake in stalemate but our defined goal is to take over. He was saying things the Indian command doesn't even have in their calculus nor believe in for they are not aware of such advantages otherwise they would have come to Punjab long time ago but they do realize the risk of losing everything in such miscalculation it does no benefit from their point of view.

Pakistan's confidence has never wavered in being able to do the complete deed of taking India because it realizes the underlaying issues in the micro-conventional level of the Indian situation which is not so bright and the divisions within them and the extreme indiscipline amongst the gathered ragtags who hardly even speak same langauge. There is no way in hell Pakistan envision itself losing to these tamil, keralites and other southern ragtags gathered in their own calculus hence the doctrine is offensive. Pakistan sees itself as clear favourite doesn't buy into the India hype not even a milligram
 
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He`s certainly not doubting pakistans ability to fight a war,I dont think anyone does,merely its ability to WIN a war,or failing that,at least to achieve a stalemate where neither side could claim a clear win.
Bhai if India attacks us first they have no chance to win because attacking side must be three times supperior in both quantity and quality wise which India is not.
If Pakistan attacks India,then you should read our war history.we use fighters who attack India internally and then regular army attacks Indian army.for example : Operation Gibraltar pre-1965 war.and India also did same in 1971 war they first intruded us then attacked.this makes army bussy both internally and externally.
You people just don't know our doctrines and judge us on basis of paper strength.while the fact is indo pak war is not that simple.
 

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Pakistan's confidence has never wavered in being able to do the complete deed of taking India
You think Pakistan...is going to take over India....a country that has 1.3B people?

You think Pakistan a country that can barely keep the lights on....is going to be able to afford a mega war that would hundreds of billion maybe even trillion or more dollars? Do you even know how wars work?

I mean I get being patriotic, but that is just plain delusional thinking. The best Pakistan could ever hope for is taking Kashmir and it is running out of time.

Right now a HUGE % of that 1.3B is poor or in poverty. But once India’s living standards rise as it becomes a developed country then it can tap a massive domestic pool for growth and consumption. This will mean that India has the potential to be the 3rd biggest economy in the world after US and China. With that economic clout comes massive military expenditure and a widening of the parity gap in the next 50 years.

I don’t even like India, I just am not stubborn enough to deny its demographic advantages now and in the future.
 

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You think Pakistan...is going to take over India....a country that has 1.3B people?

You think Pakistan a country that can barely keep the lights on....is going to be able to afford a mega war that would hundreds of billion maybe even trillion or more dollars? Do you even know how wars work?

I mean I get being patriotic, but that is just plain delusional thinking. The best Pakistan could ever hope for is taking Kashmir and it is running out of time.

Right now a HUGE % of that 1.3B is poor or in poverty. But once India’s living standards rise as it becomes a developed country then it can tap a massive domestic pool for growth and consumption. This will mean that India has the potential to be the 3rd biggest economy in the world after US and China. With that economic clout comes massive military expenditure and a widening of the parity gap in the next 50 years.

I don’t even like India, I just am not stubborn enough to deny its demographic advantages now and in the future.
These are bystanders. A few muslims reigned over India they were outnumbered 1 to 20 and ruled nearly a 1000 years how was this possible you have to first understand the people and region. Majority are just pacifists and vegeterians. There is no militancy it is not in the dictionary here.

The only fighting element Pakistan will face will be the Indian armed forces and if they lose the entire of India ''100% falls to Pakistan without a shadow of a doubt'' The only puzzle to solve is the Indian armed forces and if they are crushed there won't be a rebelion the dust is settled.

India will never exit from poverty over 1b live in poverty and it is due to inequality and don't buy into these numbers it is only due to them being in large numbers hence the GDP looks large but the per capita is poor and the countries infra is poor.

The more time that goes it favors Pakistan rather than them. Our economy is over 1t USD we can manage ourselves nor is our poverty rate as ridiculous as India's because it has more poverty than the whole world combined.

Only 1.3m ragtags standing in our way we should be able to deal with these and we will be fine and we like these odds
 
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I don’t even like India, I just am not stubborn enough to deny
Just think India,in full scale war,has more to lose than us.

After Indra Ghandi killed, India brought whole their army on LAC,Gen.Zia went there uninvited to see cricket match.He said to then leader of India Rajiv Ghandi As quoted in the India Today article, Behramnam states: “Before departure for Chennai, General Ziaul Haq, while saying goodbye to Gandhi said, ‘Mr Rajiv, you want to attack Pakistan, do it. But keep in mind that this world will forget Halaku Khan and Changez Khan and will remember only Ziaul Haq and Rajiv Gandhi, because this will not be a conventional war but a nuclear war. In this situation, Pakistan might be completely destroyed, but Muslims will still be there in the world; but with the destruction of India, Hinduism will vanish from the face of this earth.’”

Gen Zia had left Rajiv shaken.and world don't remember any 80s indo pak war.
 

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Just think India,in full scale war,has more to lose than us.

After Indra Ghandi killed, India brought whole their army on LAC,Gen.Zia went there uninvited to see cricket match.He said to then leader of India Rajiv Ghandi As quoted in the India Today article, Behramnam states: “Before departure for Chennai, General Ziaul Haq, while saying goodbye to Gandhi said, ‘Mr Rajiv, you want to attack Pakistan, do it. But keep in mind that this world will forget Halaku Khan and Changez Khan and will remember only Ziaul Haq and Rajiv Gandhi, because this will not be a conventional war but a nuclear war. In this situation, Pakistan might be completely destroyed, but Muslims will still be there in the world; but with the destruction of India, Hinduism will vanish from the face of this earth.’”

Gen Zia had left Rajiv shaken.and world don't remember any 80s indo pak war.
We will punch a hole thru India in all truthfulness. They will not be able to fight their historical overlords the Punjabis and Pathans in a well drilled shape and who are they are gonna field Tamils, Keralites and some other southern ragtags against a proven fighting elements. Somethings are just meant to never change.

We are the solo power in the region aside from China but mark my words once shit hits the fane and reality will eventually hit home because the always dominant will dominate the lesser ones.
 
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The attacking side does not need to be 3 times superior in quality and quantity to assure victory. Even if technological quality is on par, the minimum for an attacking side is to outnumber the enemy 3 to 1, which makes victory possible. Outnumbering an enemy force 7 to 1 usually assures victory in conventional warfare.

I'm sorry but India has all the advantages. Right now Pakistan is bankrupt. India is better shape economically. Pakistan's largest cities, including the capital and all of its industrial base are close to Pakistan. However, India's largest cities/capital and industry are far from the Pakistani border. This is a major disadvantage for Pakistan.

India has a larger landmass and more manpower. More industry, more weapons. Pakistan needs China to win in Kashmir. However Kashmir will only be a distraction. The real goal will be the Indian chickens neck, the Siliguri pass. If China can break this narrow pass, then Indian morale will shatter and they will be forced into making concessions to both China and Pakistan.

Bhai if India attacks us first they have no chance to win because attacking side must be three times supperior in both quantity and quality wise which India is not.
If Pakistan attacks India,then you should read our war history.we use fighters who attack India internally and then regular army attacks Indian army.for example : Operation Gibraltar pre-1965 war.and India also did same in 1971 war they first intruded us then attacked.this makes army bussy both internally and externally.
You people just don't know our doctrines and judge us on basis of paper strength.while the fact is indo pak war is not that simple.
 

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The attacking side does not need to be 3 times superior in quality and quantity to assure victory. Even if technological quality is on par, the minimum for an attacking side is to outnumber the enemy 3 to 1, which makes victory possible. Outnumbering an enemy force 7 to 1 usually assures victory in conventional warfare.

I'm sorry but India has all the advantages. Right now Pakistan is bankrupt. India is better shape economically. Pakistan's largest cities, including the capital and all of its industrial base are close to Pakistan. However, India's largest cities/capital and industry are far from the Pakistani border. This is a major disadvantage for Pakistan.

India has a larger landmass and more manpower. More industry, more weapons. Pakistan needs China to win in Kashmir. However Kashmir will only be a distraction. The real goal will be the Indian chickens neck, the Siliguri pass. If China can break this narrow pass, then Indian morale will shatter and they will be forced into making concessions to both China and Pakistan.
So you think all of India is magically somehow gonna fight hence you are citing the 7 to 1 as if it was a biblical number:lol: while the truth is India is worlds largest bystanders country only the army will engage and nobody else.. Nor is Pakistan bankrupt it has better economy than Iran that is oversanctioned. India is poverty ridden country and has far worse infra than Pakistan.

Pakistan can hit all of Indian cities even the southern tip of India all of it is within Pakistan's reach and missiles.

Having China is bonus but in a direct war sceanrio between only India-Pakistan India doesn't not have anvantage. Only 1.3m Indians will fight and that is pretty much it nothing formidble in the least is because you don't understand the dynamics of conventional war.

India is one of the easiest countries to conquer for a reason and that is due to social issues which is still present and rampant.

The goal is not Kashmir and never was but Delhi, Acre and the central states within India.

Nothing will be able to save India against the wrath of Pakistan not a landmass once Delhi falls their moral is over. Using China on the other side will only limit our casualities but as for taking them we can do it single handily. We have the manpower, logistics and firepower
 
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Ok you think India can have victory on a nuclear power country.
In indo pak full scale war no one will be a winer.
Don't know from where you took this 1:7 number.
He previously said things such as bogus advantages which was not even on the ground but just assumptions things the Indian side didn't even agree with
 

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Neither Pakistan nor India would use nukes since it would be like committing suicide. Mutually assured destruction (MAD). Actually it's unlikely that any country will use nuclear regardless because of international condemnation.

Anyways on the field India has a numerical advantage. Not a technological advantage, but numerical yes. If Pakistan were to go to war with India one on one over Kashmir, most likely India would prevail. Yes Pakistan can launch missiles at every Indian city, but India has more missiles and Pakistan is smaller, so the end result would be that Pakistan would most likely be negatively effected by such an exchange.

Now with China it's a whole different story. The only chance of ending such a war quickly would be breaking India's chickens neck (Siliguri corridor). That would effectively cut off greater western India from north east India. Such a loss would shatter Indian morale and with Chinese help Pakistan would actually have a good chance of defeating or even pushing back Indian forces in Kashmir, since India would no longer have a numerical advantage there.

In such a scenario, India would have no choice but to sue for peace and give up concessions, including allowing a UN supervised referendum to decide Kashmirs fate, giving up the border areas near Tibet to China and perhaps even India being forced to pay reparations to Pakistan and China.

The only role Iran would play in such a conflict would be A) allowing Turkey to transfer weapons to Pakistan through its borders. B) Iran transfering some weapons or spare parts to Pakistan C) Iran transfering oil and natural gas to Pakistan since the Gulf states sending such supplies by sea would be quite risky during a war. Pakistan and Iran may have their differences but at the end of the day they are both Muslim countries, therefore Iran will help Pakistan if a war were to ever break out. That is my guess anyways.

Ok you think India can have victory on a nuclear power country.
In indo pak full scale war no one will be a winer.
Don't know from where you took this 1:7 number.
 

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