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General Hejazi had long been a target of Israeli espionage, and the son of another prominent Quds Force commander insisted on Twitter that Mr. Hejazi’s death was “not cardiac-related.”
Quds Force didn't even exist before Hemmat's death. Apparently NYT doesn't care about careful fact checking these days.

This is the tweet:
I doubt the son of Quds Force Commander would spread lies on Twitter. Likely he broke confidentiality of intelligence his father let something slip to the son. He is lucky he isn’t in jail.
So what? Did he recieve a phone call from Hejazi in the last minutes of his life because his father was his friend? Or the conclusions of the autopsy?
 

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So what? Did he recieve a phone call from Hejazi in the last minutes of his life because his father was his friend? Or the conclusions of the autopsy?
If he was killed in combat or died mysteriously than his father would have known. And he could have died a week ago for all we know or a month ago. They merely announced his death yesterday.

Given recent events: 2 IRGC general assassinations and an attempt on IRGC Quds Commander of Yemen, missile production facility explosion, two natanz explosions, etc. it is not out of the realm of possibility his death was mysterious and was likely hidden due to recent events and to cover up the string of embarrassments from lack of security.

Now if this happened any other year besides this year or last then most people wouldn’t think twice about it. But the timing is suspicious.
 

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If he was killed in combat or died mysteriously than his father would have known. And he could have died a week ago for all we know or a month ago. They merely announced his death yesterday.
Please reread the first part of my post, the guy in question is Hemmat's son. Also, Hejazi's death is pretty unlikely to have been covered for a while and then announced because of his position and the fact these delays are not common under the IR.

Given recent events: 2 IRGC general assassinations and an attempt on IRGC Quds Commander of Yemen, missile production facility explosion, two natanz explosions, etc. it is not out of the realm of possibility his death was mysterious and was likely hidden due to recent events and to cover up the string of embarrassments from lack of security.

Now if this happened any other year besides this year or last then most people wouldn’t think twice about it. But the timing is suspicious.
Yes, and this is why there should be care taken in discussion and speculation. So far, nothing particularly compelling has been shown to argue Hejazi was assassinated.
 

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Also meetings with the Emiratis, Jordanians and Egyptians:



The details: While the Financial Times on Apr. 18 broke the story that Iranian and Saudi officials had met in Iraq earlier this month, with the first round of dialogue reportedly taking place on Apr. 9, Amwaj.media understands that at least five prior meetings between Iranian and Arab officials were held over January and February.
  • The parallel engagement is said to have initially brought together Iranian and Emirati officials in January.

  • After the conclusion of talks between Iran and the UAE in Iraq, Iranian and Saudi security officials met for the first time.

  • Iraqi sources have revealed to Amwaj.media that the third meeting brought together an Iranian delegation with counterparts from Jordan in addition to Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

  • In the fourth meeting, representatives from Egypt joined as well.

  • The fifth meeting, the source stated, was in essence “indirect US-Iranian talks,” without further elaboration.

  • Of note, all meetings over January-February were chiefly between security officials.
Amwaj.media has further learned that the Apr. 9 meeting in Baghdad between Saudi and Iranian officials was attended from the Iranian side by officials from multiple state bodies.

Beyond members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ (IRGC) Quds Force, other Iranians in attendance included officials from the foreign and intelligence ministries as well as Iran’s Supreme National Security Council. The composition of the Iranian delegation had so far been unknown, with no confirmation whether Qa’ani had been in attendance.

The main subject of the Apr. 9 talks was the situation in Yemen, though another source familiar with the meetings told Amwaj.media that the talks also touched on Lebanon and Syria on some points.

Now, what a remarkable coincidence. Right after Trump is replaced, the GCC regimes suddenly also see the light and start to engage with Iran. Shows yet again that those "Arab" regimes are only quasi-colonial vassals that have no foreign policy of their own but will always defer to the master in Washington.
 

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Please reread the first part of my post, the guy in question is Hemmat's son. Also, Hejazi's death is pretty unlikely to have been covered for a while and then announced because of his position and the fact these delays are not common under the IR.



Yes, and this is why there should be care taken in discussion and speculation. So far, nothing particularly compelling has been shown to argue Hejazi was assassinated.

An Iranian official claimed Monday that Brig. Gen. Muhammad Hussein-Zada Hejazi, deputy commander of Iran's clandestine Quds Force, did not die of a heart attack as Iranian authorities initially claimed on Sunday, rather was poisoned by Israel and the United States with radioactive materials, possibly in Iraq or Syria.

After Hejazi's return to Iran, the Iranian source told Al-Jarida, he faced symptoms "similar to those of COVID-19" but tests confirmed he had not, in fact, contracted the coronavirus

The source noted that Hejazi's symptoms were so severe about one week ago that he was unable to leave his office at Quds Force headquarters, and that all medical procedures proved futile before a sudden bout of good health enabled him to leave. His death two days later caught everyone by surprise, the source claimed.

Some military doctors, the source told Al-Jarida, diagnosed Hejazi as possibly having cancer but he died before completing additional tests.

The source went on to say that everyone in Hejazi's circle initially believed he had died from a heart attack or due to health problems associated with exposure to chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war, but on Monday morning forensic doctors who performed his autopsy "detected radioactive materials in his body," indicating that he was assassinated, possibly through food.

According to the Kuwaiti daily, the materials allegedly discovered in the autopsy were similar to those which Russian President Vladimir Putin has been accused of using against his political opponents.

The source further alleged that the majority of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' high command was in agreement that Israel was behind the incident and possibly used the type of poison associated with Russian assassination attempts so that suspicions would be turned against Moscow.

The IRGC has launched an investigation into the matter and ordered that all commanders who recently traveled abroad undergo testing.


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An Iranian official claimed Monday that Brig. Gen. Muhammad Hussein-Zada Hejazi, deputy commander of Iran's clandestine Quds Force, did not die of a heart attack as Iranian authorities initially claimed on Sunday, rather was poisoned by Israel and the United States with radioactive materials, possibly in Iraq or Syria.
If you want to spam several random articles be my guest. Notice how the origin of this report is obscured and mentioned in passing a few paragraphs in persumably because Al-Jarida is well known for its flat out made up reports. Maybe you can repost the articles claiming Israeli F35s flew over Iran, Hassan Nasrallah moved to Iran, Konarak was hit by a mine it laid, etc.

Also, Al Jarida did not even get a basic fact right in making up the report of its imaginary source, Hejazi had recovered from Coronavirus a few months ago.

ایشان چند ماه قبل، کرونا هم داشت که این بیماری برطرف شده بود.

 

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Yes, Iran and Saudi Arabia met diplomatically in Iraq to discuss bilateral relations...it seems there are many people in that region who think that happening is the end of the world. I dont see it as a big deal, Iran in general seems to be a country that usually open to talks, especially with regional countries...where those talks go, i dunno, but if talk means meeting and discussing mutual interests and issues and moving towards progress, Iran is frequently open to that.
Like I said, while there is a healthy rivalry between Turks and Persians. We help each other at crucial times.
FUlly agree and its actually amazing to watch, because Turkey and Iran currently seem like very different countries, but they both understand how to negotiate, discuss and interact on topics they disagree on. They dont let their squabbles infect other working stable parts of their relationship. Go Turkey- Iran relationship!
 
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There is 1 MAIN reason why it is likely these talks are happening between Iran and KSA - REgional countries like Saudi Arabia now feel "naked" and insecure -defense wise, because US protection is weakening, and their domestic defense capabilities arent strong enough to secure their country confidently, so regional countries are slowly but surely attempting at making a 1-on-1 deal with Iran, before things get nastier (and they cant recover back) for these countries...UAE already sent its own personnel months ago to negotiate peace in the Persian Gulf with Iran. Oman and Qatar already have good relations...everybody has to sort themselves out or they get higher risk of being hammered. thats just facts.
 

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