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If you know anything about engineering then you know this simple fact: digital is much easier than analogue today. It’s multifaceted but basically it goes down to available component in market and also workforce knowledge. Hence there is no doubt whatsoever that iranian tor m1 is a digital system. We can actually see this with the “copy” of BUK and the Iranian variant 3rd of Kho
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irgc copied tor m1 because it is the most optimal shorad system in the world in terms of product architecture. Onwards it will be improved with better missiles and radars.
 

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Are we 100% sure Oghab is built from scratch and not a canabalized TOR-M1 that is being “upgraded” to Oghab standard?

Because to me it looks like Iran ripped off the top of a TOR-M1 and attached it to this truck instead of the track based locomotive method.

Russian TOR-M1 owned by Iran

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Iranian TOR-M1

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Look at the 2nd cell/square (from the left) in both pictures. They both have a smaller “square” held by rivets within the larger square.

What are the chances of that happening unless they are infact both Russian TOR-M1’s?

@PeeD

For all details it looks like a local variant. But not certain, maybe this is a prototype
 

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For all details it looks like a local variant. But not certain, maybe this is a prototype
Exactly. Architecturally they are similar. Which is the point! But in detail they differ in every aspect!
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Im not convinced....that riveting on the second panel square stands out.

I’m not saying it’s a TOR-M1, but rather an upgrade TOR-M1 using parts from an older TOR-M1
 

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Reason they made it very similar is probably they will use it with TOR M1,short range frontal air defence is very different than rest,it is reason why s-300V was also on tracked TELs and differ in deployment and usage of rest s-300. S 300V was originaly developed for Army ground troops to be deployed closed to front to protect large units from balistic missiles and aircrafts and army deployed it in PUKs ..One of the unique factors is that frontal air defence is operated outside networks,frontal AD are deployed in larger units than it is case in IADS...if you look video clips you will see mostly whole battalions of Thunguska,Tors follow troops...So there are no IADS,fixed network ..or anything to inter connect air defense...they operate very often on the move so there is no time for deployment..that is one reason...also I should mention that while TOR development started long time ago..TOR-M1 is 3th gen of system and is full of advanced technology..there are not many systems capable to detect and lock on target while moving fast as TOR...engagement at minus attlitude...cold lunch...missile itself is advanced..so there are many reasons while they may want to reverse engeener it..latter they can improve technology and use it on other projects..you see..having air defence that can engage on the move is not easy..Iran made great progress but none of air defence systems before Dezful was capable engage on the move...even this Majid system as we can see must first stop..deploy lunchers in vertical position..etc...with TOR like system and cold lunch...they can for first time have system capable to engage on the move
 
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سال ۲۰۱۱ شایعه‌ای بود که ایران تور ام وان رو باز کرده برای مهندسی معکوس و روسها فهمیدن و روابط نظامی شکر آب شده بود

من فکر نمیکنم بعد ده سال ساخت تور ام وان برای ما دشوار بوده و حتی حدس میزنم ما به دلایل سیاسی روی تور ام وان داخلی خیلی دیر مانور دادیم​
 
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This is one weird cold launch technology. Instead of being pushed out via cold gas and then the engine turning on after a delay.

It seems it gets pushed out and there is a timed fuse on fire on the missile when it’s coming out which then lights the missile engine to take off.

Anyone else notice this?
 

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Im not convinced....that riveting on the second panel square stands out.

I’m not saying it’s a TOR-M1, but rather an upgrade TOR-M1 using parts from an older TOR-M1

No, you're definitely onto something.

There's a strong chance that what we are seeing is indeed a cannibalized TOR-M1 unit from Iran's current small stockpile retrofitted on a wheeled chassis but I don't doubt that the internals of the system have been upgraded and the C&C module itself is brand-new.

It remains to be seen if Iran can set-up a streamlined production chain for the TOR-M1 complex. I'm not convinced personally since what was showed is highly suspect in my opinion. I mean we can all agree it looks nice and cool but it's not something like the Majid which looks more like something Iran could outright build without too much of doubt on how Iran is producing such a system.

Looks great (like really great) but I'm extremely skeptical, if it's a 100% from the ground-up copy of the TOR-M1 straight from the factory of which they're now producing then that's good but my gut tells me that this is cannibalized (to some extent).
 
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This is one weird cold launch technology. Instead of being pushed out via cold gas and then the engine turning on after a delay.

It seems it gets pushed out and there is a timed fuse on fire on the missile when it’s coming out which then lights the missile engine to take off.

Anyone else notice this?

I am not sure if you mean this:
Compared to the Russian or NK cold launch, there is no initial cold launch cloud.

S300 and NK launches have black smoke. Iskander has initial white smoke.
 

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This is one weird cold launch technology. Instead of being pushed out via cold gas and then the engine turning on after a delay.

It seems it gets pushed out and there is a timed fuse on fire on the missile when it’s coming out which then lights the missile engine to take off.

Anyone else notice this?
I heard somewhere here recently that Iran might be using springs to eject the missile and such a mechanism might still need a fuse maybe?
 

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I heard somewhere here recently that Iran might be using springs to eject the missile and such a mechanism might still need a fuse maybe?

I heard it in the forum here to use kinetic energy or spring. Nothing official.

If true it is even better than gas driven cold launch.

Cold launch also uses side spring around the vacuum chamber above the protection rubber plate but pure spring is a break through.

Anyway, these are speculations only.
 
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It is same cold lunch implemented on original TOR...missile is ejected than side boosters will kick off and direct missile in right direction....it is fully mobile short range SAM..it must engage target in seconds ....it is small misile..no need for large amount of energy....so you dont see smoke..S-300 use tvc to direct missile in right direction..but with short range SAM you need much faster acceleration and better response so everything is accelerated,TOR use same cold lunch tech as S/300 ...
 

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It is same cold lunch implemented on original TOR...missile is ejected than side boosters will kick off and direct missile in right direction....it is fully mobile short range SAM..it must engage target in seconds ....it is small misile..no need for large amount of energy....so you dont see smoke..S-300 use tvc to direct missile in right direction..but with short range SAM you need much faster acceleration and better response so everything is accelerated,TOR use same cold lunch tech as S/300 ...

Tor M1 has some black smoke too.
Again, it was dark and the frame rate was low to the point that side nozzle flare was only transiently seen.

You may be correct. We were speculating only.
 

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