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Mr Iran Eye

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Anti Aire Defense System are proven to be weak and useless against modern threats such as :
  • Stealth Cruise Missiles
  • UCAV
  • Drone
  • Long Rang Guided Bomb and Missiles
  • Fast Projectile ( such as Super fast Cruise missiles , Hypersonic missiles )
  • Modern Ballistics Missiles ...
We shouldn't spend our limited resource on Anti Air Defense System or purchase something like S400 ( Armenia S300 was destroyed by 10,000$ drone ... )

The best defense is offense , we should build up our offensive capabilities and in any war , just destroy our enemies assets as soon as possible ...

We should have dirty nukes and hypersonic missiles for ultimate defensive system ...

OldTwilight / Ghalam ...
Totally anything your comment! On the contrary, it is important to have many air defense systems because it is very effective. Your proof is rubbish !! The air force will get stronger anyway
 

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Iran is pursuing both offensive and defensive systems, you do not chose between them. It is essential for Iran to continue working on air defence systems because this is how we will perfect them and create highly economical systems. Just look at Iranian ballistic missiles, compare Ra'ad-500 to the older Fateh-110 for example.

Don't base your expectations on a hermetic air defence, such a thing does not exist in practise. Instead, You focus on increasing the cost on the adversary, such as Loss-exchange ratio, that way, they would be foolish to deliberately start a war. Iran is there today and has been for a while. Meaning yes, the Americans could penetrate through Iran's defences, but the damage they will suffer in the process makes such campaign simply out of question for them. The Americans never start a war without the Pentagon's blessing and they laugh at the idea of a war with Iran.

And this is just a beginning for Iran. What we have achieved so far is impressive, but frankly nothing compared to where we will be in the future.
 

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I don't think that development of anti air defence systems are a hurdle in the development of hypersonic missiles or ballistic missiles for Iran.
Resources , we have limited financial resource ....

if you going to street fight and you have limited resource , do you buy armor our a sword !? in best case you avoid fight , in better choose , you buy both of these , but if you only have money for buying one , you probably go to buying sword because fights cant be with by defensive measure alone ...
 

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Anti Aire Defense System are proven to be weak and useless against modern threats such as :
  • Stealth Cruise Missiles
  • UCAV
  • Drone
  • Long Rang Guided Bomb and Missiles
  • Fast Projectile ( such as Super fast Cruise missiles , Hypersonic missiles )
  • Modern Ballistics Missiles ...
We shouldn't spend our limited resource on Anti Air Defense System or purchase something like S400 ( Armenia S300 was destroyed by 10,000$ drone ... )

The best defense is offense , we should build up our offensive capabilities and in any war , just destroy our enemies assets as soon as possible ...

We should have dirty nukes and hypersonic missiles for ultimate defensive system ...

OldTwilight / Ghalam ...
So much wrong information in this post. I won’t even bother counter arguing it.
 

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Did I ask for your opinion in first place !?
and the truth is that you actually "counter arguing it " ...
You should probably refrain from saying idiotic things like AD systems are useless.

If it wasn’t for 3rd Khordad or other Iranian AD systems that Global Hawk would be flying over every sensitive military site in Iran along with RQ-170. Not to mention U2 spy planes.

But if you wish to use the AD network (or lack thereof) of a 3rd world country like Armenia to make your thesis than so be it.
 

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No body is saying AD is not required.....sitting at home sipping tea thinking you are safe because you have top of the line AD is not going to be wise either...you need a mix of AD and offensive weapons tailored to your most potent enemy Capabilities...AD buys you time and extracts some blood from attacking force..but what really scares the enemy is your offensive response...remember Saddam got to shoot some US planes and captured some pilots but the idiots had no way of punching back where all those planes were coming from.
 

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I agree about the mobile ADs 3rd khordad/ Talash. As I said above, iran has the ADs and equipment, but that’s related to the production line and If Iran is willing to deploy all their ADs or keep them hidden as part of asymmetric warfare, as you said also. Regarding the map, it was created by @AmirPatriot
The map is 2 years old now so it's a bit outdated, things have changed. I also exclude some sites when I make those maps for opsec reasons
 

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Resources , we have limited financial resource ....

if you going to street fight and you have limited resource , do you buy armor our a sword !? in best case you avoid fight , in better choose , you buy both of these , but if you only have money for buying one , you probably go to buying sword because fights cant be with by defensive measure alone ...
You use the developments in AD to develop missiles that can overcome them, and then develop ADS that can overcome the missiles, and so on. They work hand-in-hand. You have multiple projects, each trying to get better.

Buying SU-30SM2 with no engine ToT, is a waste of resources. billions of euros wasted, for target practice for US F-22s. SU-35s are even more expensive target practice.

Kowsars are half the price, develop your own radars, keep working on those engines, have 6th gen kowsars with commanding drones.
 

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Drone a2a seem to be the near future with cheaper options just like drone a2g is getting more used. As from long ranges it is difficult for radar to precisely track stealth objects and gives away your position which is subject to very long range attacks especially if radar is on the ground.

In Paf seciton I also posted this a ramjet drone would have the speed about mach 3 , almost no moving parts in the ramjet engine making it cheaper than jet engine and can take out the target precisely getting closer to it. The ground or awacs radar wont be revealed by tracking the target with stronger signals. This one needs a nose radar, landing gear and internal bays to store aams though. Taking off can be made by jettisonable rockets to give it some altitude or ZEL launch(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-length_launch) and initial speed for ramjet to take over.

This one does not have a rocket engine but only a ramjet engine so under its both wings two disposable rockets can be used to shoot it directly upwards like a space shuttle to give it altittude and speed necessary for ramjet to take over rest of the flight. After its mission it can glide down and land to an airfield if landing gear is installed.


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Another ramjet missile that was used previously and converted to a drone later is Bomarc which has about 700km range with about mach 2.5 speed


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It needs a landing gear but in this example a landing skid would be better to land on unprepared ground requiring no airfield similar to ww2 rocket engine fighters like me-163 . Since it flies at higher altitudes than jets the ramjets can be replaced above the wings and wont contribute to increase its radar cross section for ground radars and enemy aircraft. Also its tail configuration and cylinder body is a radar reflector and it needs to be refurbished to a better shape(hexagon body maybe wings - elevators at the middle of the body and V tail). Something like below as a picture is worth a thousand words.

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However even without modification cim-10 bomarc with its current shape has about mach 2.8 . It can intercept other planes effectively.

Some countries started to turn old aircraft into drones possibly for a2a purpose.

dont give up sams as if the radars are protected well they can be of good use and combined with other systems like IRST tracking they can stay stealthy but there should be alternatives for emerging threats.


Su-30 is a good aircraft and its powerful radar can be used as a semi awacs role which can protect itself to a degree at least against 4th-4.5 generation aircraft. However Iran should be careful about at least producing its own software for ew , radar, even avionics-control software parts. It wont be a big surprise at all when putin gives all the codes behind to israel as there seems to be some "influence" or "connection" on him. This is most evidently true after he stayed silent for a long time after Usa assasination of Iranian general showing that he might have prior knowledge about the attack or at least he was told immediately by someone to stay out until israel-usa finishes its job with Iran.
 
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