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Just my thoughts

Major assumption, AD system might be close to the shoreline, UAS downed very close to the shoreline. It's possible they have moved their AD systems closer to the shoreline to get a better LOS, and closer lock on the targets before they enter.

Low altitude interception, would indicate something short range. I don't know if any of you guys know if BUK-M1 can intercept targets at this altitude? I presume if launched from a 20-30km distance, it might probably do it? Otherwise, a short range system is deployed nearby, to intercept in the 5-10km envelope.

EO/IR systems setup on the shoreline can catch incoming UAS, giving some more time to react to them.

Possible Counter measure(s) (My thoughts)
- Combination of land attack and anti-radar S-136's can be used in Tandem to lure AD, and target it. May or may not work. Closer you are to the radars, higher likely it is intercepted. Numbers would be key here.
- Force activation of illumination radars, If Russia wants to commit anti-radiation missiles, it could work, or use higher altitude Orlans-10, or Shahed-191 UCAV's to monitor the interceptor launch position and directly target it or, follow for it's hiding location.
- Or just raw numbers, wage attrition warfare against the batteries with constant land attack UAS, if they do not attempt interception, then target is hit anyways, if they do, their expensive stockpile of SAMs is eroded.

It’s likely Israel has begun sharing targeting data with Ukraine likely using USA/NATO as the intermediary to not directly expose itself and anger Russia .

Israel and US have extensive radar targeting data on Iranian drones.

How SA is very inefficient for S-136 interception something like Iron Dome or CRAM would be much more economical.
 

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Just my thoughts

Major assumption, AD system might be close to the shoreline, UAS downed very close to the shoreline. It's possible they have moved their AD systems closer to the shoreline to get a better LOS, and closer lock on the targets before they enter.

Low altitude interception, would indicate something short range. I don't know if any of you guys know if BUK-M1 can intercept targets at this altitude? I presume if launched from a 20-30km distance, it might probably do it? Otherwise, a short range system is deployed nearby, to intercept in the 5-10km envelope.

EO/IR systems setup on the shoreline can catch incoming UAS, giving some more time to react to them.

Possible Counter measure(s) (My thoughts)
- Combination of land attack and anti-radar S-136's can be used in Tandem to lure AD, and target it. May or may not work. Closer you are to the radars, higher likely it is intercepted. Numbers would be key here.
- Force activation of illumination radars, If Russia wants to commit anti-radiation missiles, it could work, or use higher altitude Orlans-10, or Shahed-191 UCAV's to monitor the interceptor launch position and directly target it or, follow for it's hiding location.
- Or just raw numbers, wage attrition warfare against the batteries with constant land attack UAS, if they do not attempt interception, then target is hit anyways, if they do, their expensive stockpile of SAMs is eroded.
Their government lies to keep their morale up. they lied even in the previous cases when videos showed otherwise.

And about that missile, nothing is certain:
 

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Their government lies to keep their morale up. they lied even in the previous cases when videos showed otherwise.

And about that missile, nothing is certain:
It’s likely Israel has begun sharing targeting data with Ukraine likely using USA/NATO as the intermediary to not directly expose itself and anger Russia .

Israel and US have extensive radar targeting data on Iranian drones.

How SA is very inefficient for S-136 interception something like Iron Dome or CRAM would be much more economical.
This is true, they do make stuff up, but of course if a S-136 travels to closely to a TEL they can down it, and they do have some information about detecting these UAS at close ranges, they seem to have some trouble getting some early warning detection on it given by the fact that no air alarm is ever signaled. But If close enough, they can adjust their frequency to something sufficient for targeting which would have to be at very close range which is expected.
 

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Their is a video from the inside of a BUK-M1 today which was purported to have down a S-136. (Of course not easily verified, viewed from only inside). Assuming it's true this is in line of our expectations. Close range interception with BUKs. One possible indication for this is that the missile is still burning fuel during flight, which we don't even see from Iron done short range systems by the time it intercepts a Hamas rocket.
 
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I don't know where he got his information from, but his assertion could be possible.

I have seen some Russian telegram channel make the claim that the versions Russia has does not have the sensor package, and is instead guided by another UAV. This would mean 1000s of these munitions can be made available. Targets are found by other Iranian UAVs, or Russian UAVs if it can be made compatible, which would make for some interesting videos

Since Geran-2 is probably going to stay in Russia service for good, and they will move to self-production. It would be wise to assume their own UAVs would be re-configured to send data to these loitering munitions. It's possible we might see for the first time, a form of UAV-network based warfare, considering that UAVs these days usually operate completely independently.
 

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