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Iran sponsored sectarian terrorism in Pakistan. Revealing facts.

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“We were going after the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan and Jamaat-al-Ahrar but the attack on Maulana Taqi Usmani moved our attention to this group,” a counterterrorism official told Samaa Digital on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak with the media.

The counter-terrorism official said that they don’t know how many more people are active in Karachi with this group. “Even the boys, who are working with this group, don’t know about the other members,” he claimed. “They become active after they are given targets and then they slip away to Iran.”

In his May 6 press conference DIG Amir Farooqui had said that one of the suspects, Syed Imran Haider Zaidi, had visited a neighbouring country in 2015 and 2017 and received 25 days of “militancy training” twice under the supervision of their “national guards”. He said that Zaidi had tasked his group members to recruit media persons belonging to the Shia community and send them to the neighbouring country for training.

In another press conference, on April 15, the counter-terrorism department had said that it had arrested six sectarian target killers, including a police constable, suspected of ties to a neighbouring country.


Counter-Terrorism Department DIG Abdullah Sheikh had told reporters that the arrested men received financial help from a neighbouring country. “The arrested terrorists would hide in a neighboring Islamic country after killing people in Karachi on sectarian grounds,” Shaikh said. “They are highly qualified and are trained in a foreign country from where they would also get financial help.”

They belonged to the Tehrik-e-Jafaria Pakistan and Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan, Raja Umar Khattab, another CTD official said. Their names were not on the list of missing persons, a representative of the Shia missing person families added.

A security officer told Samaa Digital that the five arrested men (declared on May 6) had been in contact with “handlers” in Iran and their numbers had been traced. One of the numbers belonged to a non-local recruiter of the Zainebiyoun Brigade, he said.

The Liwa Zainebiyoun (People of Zainab Brigade) is a pro-Iran group that was formed to protect the shrine of Sayyidah Zainab (May Allah be pleased with her) in Syria in what is believed to be 2014 or 2015. “Around 800 to 2,500 Pakistani fighters are in the group,” according to Phillip Smyth, a Soref fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps recruits Pakistani Shias to fight using Shia religious networks.”

He told Samaa Digital that the recruitment is often done through local clerics and other leaders. “Then individuals travel to Iran (often to Tehran or Qom), ostensibly for pilgrimage or for religious education and are then sent to training camps.” Liwa Zainebiyoun has been deployed throughout Syria, particularly in the north and east of the country, he added.


It seems that the authorities in Pakistan had picked up on this early on. In August, 2014, the National Counter Terrorism Authority wrote a letter to all the provincial home secretaries and law enforcement agencies, warning them that, “Iraqi and Iranian missions in Pakistan are actively attracting Shia students desirous of studying in their countries.” The confidential letter said that Shia students were being brainwashed and motivated against other sects and Pakistani government officials over the killings of Shias in Pakistan.

According to Aamir Rana, a security analyst and the director of the Pakistan Institute of Peace Studies, scores of Pakistani Shias have been to Syria. “Many were arrested from Punjab and Parachinaar after they returned to Pakistan,” Rana said.

The clerics, however, declined to confirm that there were any links between the community and Liwa Zainebiyoun. Hasan Raza Sohail said, however, that members of the Shia community haven’t broken any laws in Pakistan even if they had hypothetically gone to Syria to fight. “We will proudly own them If they go to Syria,” Sohail said, adding that for them it was a religious obligation to protect the holy sites such as the resting place of Bibi Zainab (AS).

Loyalty to Iran is a factor for some Shia clerics in Pakistan, argues Lt Gen (retired) Amjad Shoaib, a defense analyst. “Many of them were educated in Qom and they still get Wazifa from Iran,” he told Samaa Digital. “When we sign any agreement with Saudi Arabia, people here object that Iran would be offended,” the former army official said, pointing to the delicate balances of geopolitics.

It certainly doesn’t help that the Shias have faced countless attacks in Pakistan, he said. “The Hazaras were targeted because they could be recognized [easily].” Iran believes that the Shia community in Pakistan is oppressed and they train their people, he added. Iran has faced terrorism in the past and has suspected Pakistan was behind it.

“They recruited Pakistani Shias when Daesh came to Syria,” he said. “Many people from Parachinar were recruited, trained and sent to Syria.”

He believes that both those who joined Daesh and Zainebiyoun were equally dangerous. “A brainwashed individual is dangerous regardless of his sect,” he said. “No matter what their sect is, they commit acts of terrorism.”

And so the desperate torsion of interlocking local and regional politics continues to exert its pressures on the lives of people. The State grapples with the threat of terrorism, its law-enforcement machinery working overtime. The Shia community in Pakistan continues to find itself at the centre of a widening regional battle. But if the dharna is anything to go by this time, at least some effect was to be had.

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So some shia folks using pilgrimage as an excuse to get into Iran and then get trained and brainwashed.

I have said it before and I am saying it again. A good chunk of Shias in Pakistan have more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan. Admins can censor this comment but it won't hide the facts.
Remember, they all are Pakistani born.. Non of them came from Iran to do terrorism over here.
 

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So some shia folks using pilgrimage as an excuse to get into Iran and then get trained and brainwashed.

I have said it before and I am saying it again. A good chunk of Shias in Pakistan have more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan. Admins can censor this comment but it won't hide the facts.
Remember, they all are Pakistani born.. Non of them came from Iran to do terrorism over here.
My dear ..why blind yourself in sects...by your logic then all the salfi sect people in Pakistan are part of daesh! and sponsored by Saudi, Qatar & UAE.

let it go ..grow above sects! Muhammed Ali Jinnah was a shia! what are you gonna say about that ....leave it grow above! like me...Illiterate and misinformed/Misguided people are every where ..point in you are not illiterate Allah has given you Ilm so you are illirate enough to sit and write on internet!

Are you a Muslim...Alhamdullah i Think you are! What does our prophet S.A.W use to do? again spewing acid and filling your heart with hatred for what? grow up they are more important things in life...family, friends and Country!
 

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A good chunk of Shias in Pakistan have more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan.
What is new about that? Good chunk of Wahabis in Pakistan are loyal to Saudia Arabia and find any Arab like Osama Bin Laden and they would be ready to go to war against Pakistan Army. Others are loyal to terrorist entities like TTP. Others like Rizvi';s TLP who presently is in prison. Others place the ummah before Pakistan.

So big deal ..
 

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Anyway what is wrong with any of them, Wahabi, Shia, differant iterations of Sunni's like TLP, TTP etc etc. They are all being Muslim FIRST and Pakistan second. Islam FIRST and Pakistan second. Ummah FIRST nation state second.

You should be appluding such behaviour. Remember "Pakistan Ka Matlab Kiya la ilaha illallah".


*Kiya la ilaha illallah ~ what that is is open to each Muslim to interpret.
 

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So some shia folks using pilgrimage as an excuse to get into Iran and then get trained and brainwashed.

I have said it before and I am saying it again. A good chunk of Shias in Pakistan have more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan. Admins can censor this comment but it won't hide the facts.
Remember, they all are Pakistani born.. Non of them came from Iran to do terrorism over here.
I agree with you about Iran but do not agree with your generalisation about Pakistani shias and their loyalties as whole lying outside Pakistan and same goes for sunnis. There are a lot of Shia people who are in Pakistani military service and laid their lives to protect Pakistan. Rest, some elements in each community have been sold out to some foreigner handlers: for example MQM, PTM, ANP, Jiye Sindh, BLA, BRA, etc....does it mean all Urdu speaking people have loyalties outside Pakistan, or all Pashtuns are on the payroll of Afghan govt. .... so I strongly disagree with all such attempts to divide the nation on sectarian, linguistic or ethnic basis.

A Pakistani Shia is as much Pakistani and as much Muslim as any Sunni, Deobandi or Wahabi is... However there are some elements who are working on the payrolls of foreign govts and they should be neutralised regardless of their ethnic, sectarian or other affiliations.
 
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The issue should be dealt at state to state level, particularly, under the current extremely dangerous circumstances.
 

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My dear ..why blind yourself in sects...by your logic then all the salfi sect people in Pakistan are part of daesh! and sponsored by Saudi, Qatar & UAE.

let it go ..grow above sects! Muhammed Ali Jinnah was a shia! what are you gonna say about that ....leave it grow above! like me...Illiterate and misinformed/Misguided people are every where ..point in you are not illiterate Allah has given you Ilm so you are illirate enough to sit and write on internet!

Are you a Muslim...Alhamdullah i Think you are! What does our prophet S.A.W use to do? again spewing acid and filling your heart with hatred for what? grow up they are more important things in life...family, friends and Country!
Yes , most of the funding that comes from gulf arab countries go towards wahabbi and salafi institutions that promote saudi version of Islam. In their view , all shias are non-muslims. The takfiri brand of islam also needs to go.

Anyway what is wrong with any of them, Wahabi, Shia, differant iterations of Sunni's like TLP, TTP etc etc. They are all being Muslim FIRST and Pakistan second. Islam FIRST and Pakistan second. Ummah FIRST nation state second.

You should be appluding such behaviour. Remember "Pakistan Ka Matlab Kiya la ilaha illallah".


*Kiya la ilaha illallah ~ what that is is open to each Muslim to interpret.
It should have been Pakistan first and everything second.
 

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A good chunk of Shias in Pakistan have more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan.
I call complete and total BS on that.

My entire family on my father's side is Shia and my siblings are practicing Shia. There is respect for Iran for various reasons but there is not an iota of doubt about their loyalties to Pakistan.

The reason Admins delete comments such as yours is because they are nothing but hateful, sectarian propaganda meant to demonize an entire community. Don't smear and denigrate an entire community because some people might be pursuing the agendas of Iran or Saudi Arabia.
 

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The issue should be dealt at state to state level, particularly, under the current extremely dangerous circumstances.
It should be dealt on the state level but since we are democracy, we have the right to know the facts and guide the govt accordingly. If Iran is acting against the interests of Pakistan this BS censorship needs to end. The nation is sick of Irani loyalists who totally okay with blaming KSA, GCC for problems in Pakistan and else where but when it comes to Iran..they want hush-hush and forget Iran..it is our brother, we need trade and blah blah.. this hypocrisy will backfire since nation has enough of it. We are Pakistani, then we all need to think about Pakistan first. And if we are Muslim and think about Islam as first, there is no problem since Islam is not bound or related to any country...but sectarian affiliations are. However what is totally unacceptable is the attempt to divide the nation on sectarian and ethnic grounds. For me a shia is as much Muslim as a Sunni is. If scholars of both sides have not declared them as lesser Muslims than who are we? Rest the faith is a personal issue and we can discuss & convince each other but no need to belittle or deride the other.
 

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I agree with you about Iran but do not agree with your generalisation about Pakistani shias and their loyalties as whole lying outside Pakistan and same goes for sunnis. There are a lot of Shia people who are in Pakistani military service and laid their lives to protect Pakistan. Rest, some elements in each community have been sold out to some foreigner handlers: for example MQM, PTM, ANP, Jiye Sindh, BLA, BRA, etc....does it mean all Urdu speaking people have loyalties outside Pakistan, or all Pashtuns are on the payroll of Afghan govt. .... so I strongly disagree with all such attempts to divide the nation on sectarian, linguistic or ethnic basis.

Pakistani Shia is as much Pakistani and as much Muslim as any Sunni, Deobandi or Wahabi is... However there are some elements who are working on the payrolls of foreign govts and they should be neutralised regardless of their ethnic, sectarian or other affiliations.
In my opinion , a good chunk of shias support Iran
In my opinion a good chunk of sunnis support takfiri wahabbi countries that are located in the gulf despite them considering us no more than slaves and inferior

All ethno fascist parties like MQM , PTM , ANP , Mengal group should have been dealt severely.
All religious parties should have been banned from the beginning.
 

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In my opinion , a good chunk of shias support Iran
In my opinion a good chunk of sunnis support takfiri wahabbi countries that are located in the gulf despite them considering us no more than slaves and inferior

All ethno fascist parties like MQM , PTM , ANP , Mengal group should have been dealt severely.
All religious parties should have been banned from the beginning.
Define good chunk please?
 

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I call complete and total BS on that.

My entire family on my father's side is Shia and my siblings are practicing Shia. There is respect for Iran for various reasons but there is not an iota of doubt about their loyalties to Pakistan.

The reason Admins delete comments such as yours is because they are nothing but hateful, sectarian propaganda meant to demonize an entire community. Don't smear and denigrate an entire community because some people might be pursuing the agendas of Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Did you even read the article I posted ? Iran has local support.

Btw I hate sunni extremists and arab boot lickers equally.
 

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