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Iran shoots down Israeli drone operated by Azerbaijan violating Iranian airspace

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So you think Iran would come out and take responsibility for attacking another nation directly? The intelligence showed it came from Iran, that's what mattered.
Indirectly you are admitting that Iran attacked the oil refinery at Saudi Arabia.

Attacking a Muslim state by another Muslim state, that too bombing civilian targets, is this justifiable?

To avoid further isolation, Iranian leadership may revise its diplomatic stance by shutting down all proxy wars inside the Muslim neighboring countries including Pakistan and enhance the diplomatic relations with them on equal terms.
 

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Are you denying the Iranian Government instance on this issue?
How has Iran responded?
Foreign Minister Javad Zarif replied on Twitter, saying that "having failed at max pressure, Sec Pompeo's turning to max deceit".
He was referring to the Trump administration's stated "maximum pressure campaign" targeting the Iranian regime with sanctions.
Mr Zarif said that "blaming Iran won't end the disaster" in Yemen.
Earlier, foreign ministry spokesman Abbas Mousavi said that Mr Pompeo's "blind accusations and remarks are incomprehensible and meaningless".
Mr Mousavi said Saudi Arabia had "repeatedly violated Yemen" and that the "Yemenis have shown resistance to aggression".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49705197
Indirectly you are admitting that Iran attacked the oil refinery at Saudi Arabia.

Attacking a Muslim state by another Muslim state, that too bombing civilian targets, is this justifiable?

To avoid further isolation, Iranian leadership may revise its diplomatic stance by shutting down all proxy wars inside the Muslim neighboring countries including Pakistan and enhance the diplomatic relations with them on equal terms.
This is basic political common sense. Iran nor any sane country would come out and admit to the attack directly because that would invite general condemnation from the UN, instead you create something called plausible deniability.

As for your comment regarding an Islamic country attacking another, incase you did not realise, the Saudis are waging war on Yemen and causing untold humanitarian crisis there. This Iranian attack was a message to them in the context of that conflict hence why the Houthis took responsibility for this action.
 

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This is basic political common sense. Iran nor any sane country would come out and admit to the attack directly because that would invite general condemnation from the UN, instead you create something called plausible deniability.

As for your comment regarding an Islamic country attacking another, incase you did not realise, the Saudis are waging war on Yemen and causing untold humanitarian crisis there. This Iranian attack was a message to them in the context of that conflict hence why the Houthis took responsibility for this action.
So Iran is afraid of UN sanctions and general condemnation!!!

Even then Iran attacked Saudi Arabian civilian site, what logic and justification is this?

Houthis are Iranian proxies. Why Iran need such proxies which operate in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen? Why these proxies are pitted against Muslim Armed Forces instead of targeting enemy Armed Forces such as Israeli Forces and US Armed Forces?

What about proxy war inside Pakistan? What Pakistan did to Iran? Why an Indian spy was operating from Iran? and why BLA and TTP is covertly being supported by Iran? Why most of the sectarian killings in Pakistan are linked to Iran?

Fatimiyoun and Zainabiyoun Brigades are being covertly operated from Afghanistan and Pakistan?

At one time Pakistan, Turkey and Iran were very close friends and were bound together and RCD was the result.

Why Iran is indirectly supporting an enemy state of Islam-Armenia against a Muslim neighboring state Azerbaijan?
Because Azerbaijan is more closer to Turkey!!!

The way Iranian regime going, will ultimately lead to total isolation and at the time of need none of the neighboring states will be motivated to come for help and support.
 
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So Iran is afraid of UN sanctions and general condemnation!!!
Obviously Iran does not want to come across as an aggressor in front of the world. I can't simply this anymore for you.


Even then Iran attacked Saudi Arabian civilian site, what logic and justification is this?
That "civilian site" is a major part of their income source i.e income to waging war. Use common sense.

Houthis are Iranian proxies. Why Iran need such proxies which operate in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen? Why these proxies are pitted against Muslim Armed Forces instead of targeting enemy Armed Forces such as Israeli Forces and US Armed Forces?

What about proxy war inside Pakistan? What Pakistan did to Iran? Why an Indian spy was operating from Iran? and why BLA and TTP is covertly being supported by Iran? Why most of the sectarian killings in Pakistan are linked to Iran?

Fatimiyoun and Zainabiyoun Brigades are being covertly operated from Afghanistan and Pakistan?

At one time Pakistan, Turkey and Iran were very close friends and were bound together and RCD was the result.

Why Iran is indirectly supporting an enemy state of Islam-Armenia against a Muslim neighboring state Azerbaijan?
Because Azerbaijan is more closer to Turkey!!!

The way Iranian regime going, will ultimately lead to total isolation and at the time of need none of the neighboring states will be motivated to come for help and support.
It's called geopolitics, you need to see the world through that lens rather than this naive "we were friends" type comments that show your understanding of how the world works is fully skewed.
 

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Obviously Iran does not want to come across as an aggressor in front of the world. I can't simply this anymore for you.
Then Iran is heading towards its isolation and possible aggression by Israel and US.
That "civilian site" is a major part of their income source i.e income to waging war. Use common sense.
Who is waging war against whom? Geographically KSA and Iran are separated by Persian Gulf and Iraq. Saudi Arabia may have differences with Iran and diplomatically these two countries may have not good relations but it does not mean that KSA can be a threat to Iran. If Iran attacked a civilian oil refinery, manned by 200 personnel, due to this false threat, then I doubt the sanity of Iranian regime.

Or the attack was to gain oil market share.
It's called geopolitics, you need to see the world through that lens rather than this naive "we were friends" type comments that show your understanding of how the world works is fully skewed.
Iran's so called geopolitical understanding is self centered. Continues wrong policies of Iranian regime Is gradually making enemies out of friends. Almost all Muslim states sharing border with Iran are slowly moving away from Iran.
If Iran continues its proxies operations in the neighboring countries specially Pakistan, a more lethal and deadly response could become unfortunate reality for Iran.
 

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Then Iran is heading towards its isolation
Isolated by who? at least put more efforts into your replies, be clear.

and possible aggression by Israel and US.
Let me know what that happens, we've been waiting for 20 years already.

Who is waging war against whom?
Geographically KSA and Iran are separated by Persian Gulf and Iraq. Saudi Arabia may have differences with Iran and diplomatically these two countries may have not good relations but it does not mean that KSA can be a threat to Iran.
Saudis Arabia is too weak to be a direct threat to Iran. Like I have explained to you already, the attack was in the context of the humanitarian crisis the Saudis are causing in Yemen, are you not reading the comments you're replying to?

If Iran attacked a civilian oil refinery, manned by 200 personnel, due to this false threat, then I doubt the sanity of Iranian regime.
Have I not explained to you how these facilities are important economically? Once again, are you not reading the comments?

Or the attack was to gain oil market share.
Not really, if that was the intention, they would have knocked out the facility much harder and not this small scale attack.

Iran's so called geopolitical understanding is self centered.
Every country's geopolitics is self centered, do you even understand how geopolitcs works? Again, back to basics.

Continues wrong policies of Iranian regime Is gradually making enemies out of friends.
No one sees the world in terms of "friend" except naive people.

Almost all Muslim states sharing border with Iran are slowly moving away from Iran.
Iran has good relations with all its neighbours, you're just spouting misinfornmation.

If Iran continues its proxies operations in the neighboring countries specially Pakistan, a more lethal and deadly response could become unfortunate reality for Iran.
Good luck with that, let me know when that happens.
 
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Im certain all 4 of them belong to the Azeris. We keep shooting as many as possible. They shud get the message by now. If they havent, we continue to shoot more and more.
lol, let them waste their million dollar drones. At least Iran will get good practice and glean worthwhile data to further improve domestic systems.
 

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That's 4 drones now.

When are they gonna get the message?
Turks in Iran are probably paying more attention to the message. You are doing yourself a great favor.
Im certain all 4 of them belong to the Azeris. We keep shooting as many as possible. They shud get the message by now. If they havent, we continue to shoot more and more.
Why is a Bangla and a Nigerian rallying around the Iranis? You know Iranis really hate both Blacks and Bangla desis, no?
 

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No one sees the world in terms of "friend" except naive people.
That's nonsense. Countries have feelings.

Use your own brain instead of parroting whatever you read. Realpolitik is Utopian.

If Turkey was attacked today the state of Pakistan would do everything in its capacity to support Turkey despite getting no economic or tangible benefit out of it. That's because Pakistani people love Turks and hence there's political will.

The same feeling exists between people of Western countries.

'Countries have no friends' is only good in paper.
 

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Turks in Iran are probably paying more attention to the message. You are doing yourself a great favor.


Why is a Bangla and a Nigerian rallying around the Iranis? You know Iranis really hate both Blacks and Bangla desis, no?
Oy Pakistani, its called Bangladeshi.. The only hater here is you.
 

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That's nonsense. Countries have feelings.

Use your own brain instead of parroting whatever you read. Realpolitik is Utopian.

If Turkey was attacked today the state of Pakistan would do everything in its capacity to support Turkey despite getting no economic or tangible benefit out of it. That's because Pakistani people love Turks and hence there's political will.

The same feeling exists between people of Western countries.

'Countries have no friends' is only good in paper.
Pakistanis have a tendency of supporting people that do not think once about them. Could you say the same in a vice versa scenario? Would turks even care 1 bit about pakistan?
 

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