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Iran nuclear deal, 2018.

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  1. peacefan

    peacefan SENIOR MEMBER

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...heads-to-iran-to-save-nuclear-deal-from-trump

    I have to warn the US against squeezing the Iranians too much.

    While the demands seem reasonable from our side, they will seem like foreign interference to the Iranian leaderships.

    Trump, you CAN NOT RULE THE WORLD WITH AN IRON FIST.

    i'll be emailing this thread to the US, Dutch and Israeli government as well as several US and Dutch mass media corporations now.

    i hate the fact this needs almost yearly attention, folks.
    but a lot of lives and livelihoods are at stake, so i'll do it without complaining about having to do it.
     
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    salarsikander SENIOR MEMBER

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    Arabs have seen what happens with out nuke, same thing happened MTO Iraq, Libya, Syria and so you cannot touch or harm Iran. Which is why you have to *** kiss Iran and can't make of any excuse to invade it.
     
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    peacefan SENIOR MEMBER

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    Actually i have different reasons, which i'm not going to explain. Not with people like you, with your attitude, hanging out on this forum.
     
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    salarsikander SENIOR MEMBER

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    Different reason my ***. You just failed miserably t control taleban and Iran and are now shittng in pants. While ignoring Israel's own nuke. Fkimgg hypocrites
     
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    peacefan SENIOR MEMBER

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    you're ignoring all i'm trying to teach you, @salarsikander.
    so i gotta ignore you now. sorry.

    {update} i wrote another email to my mailing list (US, Dutch and Israeli government, US and Dutch mass media corporations),

    about how not to pressure the Iranians into giving up their space program or even their military's activities outside Iran. everybody does that, so why not Iran?

    and i'm now warning the Iranians to play the entire diplomacy and public statements aspects of this all in a cool and *nice* manner.
    it's the only way you'll end up with less sanctions rather than more.

    i had to encourage ex-President Obama and his team to go harder on Iran,
    i will now encourage president Trump to go smarter and nicer on Iran than he had planned.

    and i'll keep Netanyahu in check too.
    i've already told the Israeli government and Mossad that his statements about Iran, that Iran needs to be 'stopped' as he said just now while visiting the White House, overshoot the objective of keeping Iran a non-nuclear-weapons state.

    @salarsikander i'm not talking to you here. i'm talking to my regular audience, which is a bit smarter than you.
     
  6. salarsikander

    salarsikander SENIOR MEMBER

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    Tryingnton teach me that destroying a country is justfed because it wishes t use gold system ( apparently this ii17 century where Dutch still have colonies) justifying that invasion Iraq was juatfied because it didn't want to sell its god given oil. But supporting Israel is justified because chriatians have right to massacre Jews and then impose them on Muslim.
    Please this what your trying indoctrinate, then fk off

    Yeah she people are on crack that's how they talk

    And they will listen to youyour bullshit because, you're an royalty ?
    Attention seeking whore
     
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    i've reported your post, @salarsikander.

    i won't respond to people who call me bad names, nor to people who place the ambitions of egos above the well-being of the world's populations. you do both.
     
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    salarsikander SENIOR MEMBER

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    Lol says the one who justfies the invasion of Muslim countries because they have the right to chose gold system to run their country. Pathetic
     
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    i've also made clear that such a move (re-introducing a gold-based economy) would pave the way for serious disruption of the world economy.
    it's ridiculous to think we'll let ourselves be ruined in a war of attrition, or terrorism, or open war.

    muslim rulers brought the resulting suffering and instability onto themselves and their peoples, thinking they can hurt us with seemingly innocent moves that are designed to erode our strength.

    Iran's government has been put on notice not to meddle outside their borders anymore.
    personally i would want the war in Syria to end soon, with Assad still in power even though i would actually like to see him and his cronies hung for their serious crimes against their own people, and with both Russia and Iran given access to the Mediterranean sea in Syria.

    however, Trump, yesterday in a TV announcement together with Macron from France, announced that he would not give Iran access to the Mediterranean sea.

    fact is, Iran has a expansionist foreign policy. and they're actively sowing serious conflict in several countries (Syria, Lebanon, Yemen) to expand their influence.
    i can't agree with that at all. neither can the Saudis, the Americans, nor the EU (assuming like i think it does, that Macron speaks for the EU when it comes to Iranian meddling in Syria).

    several Muslim leaderships need to wrap their head around a basic truth :
    if you try to expand your country's influence through violence,
    you put yourselves on the list to be corrected by violence.

    it's been going around in the conspiracy theory circles that the US has a list of countries that they want to regime-change and put under control through the installment of a western-controlled central bank. Iran is on that list. so is North-Korea.
    while in the long run, this would probably bring stability, prosperity and a good measure of sovereignty to the peoples of such countries (Iraq as an example, Libyans are currently too busy with fighting eachother to enjoy such fruits),
    it currently still has a large risk of bringing massive suffering to the people of such countries during the transition.

    these are the variables of the equation as it stands today, i think.

    but the variables and even the equation itself can be changed. new variables can be introduced. and they probably will be.

    sanctions have not been very effective in the days of Saddam's rule over Iraq, because Saddam pushed the cost onto his people, who starved, and that suffering formed a strong recruitment tool for terrorist groups and supporters of hatred against the West.

    and military action has shown, like it did in Libya, that some Muslim nations simply can not govern themselves because their tribes go to war with eachother after a dictator is removed.

    but we do learn from our mistakes here in the West.
    you'll find both sanctions and military action will be smarter and more effective in the future, while avoiding loss of innocent lives much more than before.
     
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    the dutch used to rule the world . not anymore
     
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    :) i'm not out to rule the world.
    i do wish the world to be ruled better, with less wars for starters.

    all i do on this forum is explain the Western viewpoints as they are revealed in international mass media, as they can be detected by common sense, and as it is revealed at that border-area that is common-sense plus the start of conspiracy-theory territory. the world is ruled by the small elite social circles some of which over here in the West, can be called part of the illuminati / masons.
    but Assad and his cronies form another small elite circle, and the Royals of Saudi Arabia do too.
    even in Iraq and Afghanistan, the well known politicians' names form the political elite in those countries.
    in Iran, the elite is the religious and highest ranks of government.

    i am not a part of such a political / military / religious / whatever elite social circle.
    i'm a working-class hobbyist-analyst who desires less suffering caused by (unnecessary) wars, of which there are far too many in progress today and for the past 2 decades or so.

    so i just read the news, try to figure out how peace processes get stalled and how wars get started and stopped.
    and then i come here on this forum and find frequent serious misunderstandings about what the West does in the Middle East,
    misunderstandings that are direct recruitment tools for terror groups,
    and i feel it's useful to counter that as much as possible.

    that is not always easy in the face of lies and personal attacks against my viewpoints and person,
    but i've got a thick skin and i don't like to rub things in; i don't like to repeat myself.
     
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    They have every right to bring any system, if you feel you can't compete and start bombing the shit out of innocent people, then don't scream when you get attacked by lone wolves then, shithead
     
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    you *don't* have the right to 'bring any system'. if a system you bring disrupts the world economy, that brings serious potential for economic suffering to us, and with that the start of military-level attrition (degrading of strength over time).

    we over here don't want to be ruled by Muslims, or Chinese, or Russians. we don't want to be crippled economically or militarily either, we don't like how Muslims or Chinese or Russians run their parts of the world. we have our own way of life.

    and to protect that way of life, we are forced by peoples that have come to hate us, to set strong examples from time to time, but only when provoked. and we'll make sure we continue to be able to defend ourselves and our economies.

    if we leave you alone, the global oil market is seriously disrupted by all the infighting between Muslims in the Middle East.
    that is a very serious threat to our way of life, up the point that we'd have serious trouble keeping our supermarkets supplied, let alone power the rest of our economy.

    and there are other more subtle ways that Muslims try to use (re-introduction of even a tiny gold-based economy, a quick transition away from using the US Dollar for international trade of for instance oil), to achieve such total chaos here in the West that we'd collapse as a civilization.
    we're not going to let any such thing happen. not ever. it's one of the reasons we're not into expensive ground invasions anymore, and having recently (Trump said this yesterday with Macron from France next to him in a public annoucnement on TV) put the wealthy Arab Gulf allies on notice to start paying more for American help in their extended region (aka Saudis paying the bill for US troops in Syria, and Saudi troops helping in Syria alongside US troops, something like that).
    So the original grand plan of alQuada ('force The West into invasion after invasion to drain their treasury and get and endless supply of new recruits at the same time), and their 2nd big plan ('starve our own people to gain more recruits')... both of these plans are now thoroughly defeated.

    and we know that if a morally sane side like ours has a clear military advantage over another group (Muslims) that hates us intensely (and often for bullshit reasons or reasons based on lies), war can be prevented in most cases.
    therefore all this talk about military equality and how it's "unfair" that Israel has nukes (to protect against another multi-country ground attack by Arab states), but that Iran can't have nukes, is dangerous cow-poop-quality argumentation.

    equally armed sides where even only 1 side hates the other enough to attack it (sneakily or openly), result in long awful wars.
    on the other hand, a free-press democracy that has in *all* aspects the best military capability of the world, can be a good cop force for the world, but only if the less evolved warring politically-ambitious groups/countries have significantly less military capability.
    so we'll be keeping that that way as well.

    but we'll be much more careful in the future, about implementing sanctions in ways that will increasingly surely not hurt the innocents living in the countries that must undergo pressure by the west. the same will be true for our future military strikes.

    we are not stupid enough to feed you new recruits and actively work towards endless war.
    we like peace, and we like to keep our wars short.


    IRAN-DEAL

    we'll have to wait until the statements by the US, EU, Russia and of course Iran itself, plus the commentaries flowing into the major newspapers of those countries, have all had a chance to hit the web.
    starting May 12, the deadline for the old Iran nuclear deal to be extended by the US, i'll report on this forum in more detail.

    i'll follow a similar protocol for the upcoming North-Korea - USA summit.

    in both cases, i may wait a few days before commenting. i'd like to hear the opinions from around the world about what was said in each of these negotiations, first. and then i may need about 10 to 48 hours to form my own opinion and post it here.

    but if things get out of hand, i'm going to step in and post my own opinions as i form them, and will be emailing them around to news organisations and governments. this has proven effective in the past. to remain modest, i won't go into details about which wars i've postponed indefinitely so far.

    IRAN-SYRIA-RUSSIA deal

    i can imagine both Iran and Russia wanting each a naval and air base in Syria as part of their deals with Assad.
    if Assad and Russia and Iran can agree to truly cooperate to the max when it comes to the re-location of the surviving moderate opposition of Syria (the EU would need to take in more than a few Syrian refugees too in that case) and grant them decent standards of living too,

    then Syria is fixed.

    Israel can be easily protected, and neither the Russians' nor the Iranians' bases in Syria will pose a serious threat to regional or global stability.
    I'll give Trump a few more days to clarify why he said yesterday at the oval office breefing together with Macron from France, that the US would not allow Iranian military bases in Syria. if he can't give very good reasons, i'm going to pressure the USA to opt for the honerable retreat strategy.
    ending the suffering, the return of stability, the rebuilding of residential areas, *that's winning the war*.
    if you have to do it by shifting your own defense plans for Israel and the Mediterranean Sea, then so be it.
    ffs, we already have the hardware for it.

    {this message will be forwarded to the CIA to begin with}