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greetings
in this topic we going to disscuse about iran militry and saudi arabia militry and see what will happen if there be a war!

ok so plz do not insult each other in this topic we are just going to discuss to see which country has more militry power!

the topic is going to start with showing each country power and crafts and then we going to discuss

do not let your Prejudice change the result's !
arabs and persian's can show there country power in this topic
 

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Saudi got the hi tech Western toys
but Iran got experience and heart
if it's strictly one on one I would give the edge to Iran
 

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iran air force

F-14 TomCat (Fighter)
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well i think all of you are familer with this aircraft!
this aircraft is pretty old about 40 years !


Mig-29 (Fighter)

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There are 2 diffrent models of this aircraft
mig-29A
mig-29Ub
also there might be smt model too!



Mirage F1(Fighter)
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i dont have much info about this one !


F-4 Phantom(Fighter)
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ok i think there are about more than 30 F-4 Phantom ii at correct service!
wiki says:60 modernized
but well i dont think there are 60 f-4 ready for a battle


F-5 Tiger(Fighter)
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wiki says:60 modernized
well lets count lesser than wiki
i think there are about 45 out there ready for battle


Su-24mk(bombing aircraft)
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Su-25K/UBK(Close Air Support)
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there is also su-27 and su-30 and mig-31
but i dont have any info about them
note:there are more aircraft's! that are not in this list!
note:the numbers are only my guess there could be more there could be less!

update
removed all of number except f-4 and f-5
if anyone have correct info about numbers plz add it to the list
 
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Western technicians at Dhahran Air Base like to joke that the only aircraft the Saudis can keep in the air by themselves is a model of a British Tornado on a pedestal at the gates.

Indeed, the entire Saudi military arsenal—including the world’s biggest fleet of American F-15s outside of the U.S. and Japan—couldn’t function without the several hundred mostly American and British technicians who keep the royal family’s tanks, ships, artillery and warplanes in working order. As with everything else in the Saudi economy, from servants to oil field workers, the Saudis just don’t “do” such hands-on work.

The same goes for Saudi ground troops: There are officers, and there are grunts (not all of them Saudis), and nothing in-between. The concept of a corps of sergeants actually running things, is, well, foreign, to the desert kingdom’s rulers, for a variety of tribal and cultural reasons. But as any Western general knows, an army wins (or doesn’t) on the strength of its sergeants, the blue-collar guys down below the colonels, majors and lieutenants who prod the grunts and make sure things get done. And it’s the sergeants who do the training.



So when Obama administration officials talk about helping finance and train so-called "moderate" Syrians to take on the Islamic State, they're only half-right. In the Saudis’ shopworn custom, the kingdom will certainly fork over millions to finance the fight, but if they do any training at all it will probably be carried out by others—the hundreds of U.S. and British military advisors on scene in the kingdom.

Likewise, the prospect of Saudi pilots banking their F-15s into dive-bombing runs against ISIS targets in Iraq or Syria, is a fantasy. Just getting the king to issue a denunciation of the neck-slicing savages was considered a major victory in official Washington.

“They will be relying on foreigners—Americans mostly, as I understand it,” for training, says Kenneth Pollack, a former CIA and White House Middle East expert now at the Brookings Institution. “They have zero capacity to do the training themselves. Even if we backed out, they would just hire [military contractor] MPRI or groups like them to do the training.”

“It will be a Saudi face for a U.S effort,” agrees Patrick Skinner, a former CIA operative in Iraq who frequently travels the Middle East for the Soufan Group, a private organization led by former FBI, CIA and British intelligence officers. “Not a bad thing,” he adds, “but it will be interesting to see how effective the result is. After all, we spent untold time and treasure training up the Iraqi and Afghan armies that are proving completely inept. Why do we think we can do it even faster with Syrian rebels? It makes no sense.”

Having Americans continuing to play a key role in Saudi Arabia’s defense doesn’t make a lot of sense, either, at least politically. It was the main organizing cry for al Qaeda: Get the Americans out of the “land of the two holy Mosques,” Mecca and Medina.

On top of that, the Saudi Ministry of Defense is facing a leadership vacuum, leaving it outside the loop of royal decision making, according to a former top U.S. diplomat in the region. But the Ministry of Interior, he added on condition of anonymity to discuss such sensitive matters, could offer substantive help to whatever coalition President Obama can string together to combat ISIS: After two decades battling al Qaeda-inspired domestic insurgents and terrorists, the 100,000-strong MOI knows the enemy and its techniques well, and almost certainly has its own intelligence sources in Syria (which Washington sorely lacks, by all accounts).

“It could certainly arm” the Syrian rebel factions of its choosing, the former ambassador said. Even more important, he added, the ministry is led by Mohammad bin Nayef, 55, a member of the House of Saud and a potential contender for the throne. “It will only work if he’s on board.”

Experts on the Saudis cautioned that the king’s recent verbal attacks on ISIS should not be dismissed as mere talk, as some influential American commentators have it.

“It is a really big step that the Saudis are doing this and publicly announcing that they doing it,” Pollack told Newsweek. “That is not how they do things, so this is a very deliberate effort on their part to show their commitment to this fight.”

It’s also important because, “We haven’t been on same page with them on Syria for a long time,” said the former ambassador. “There’s been a lot of bad blood” between Riyadh and Washington--and not just over Syria. The Saudis themselves nourished the brand of puritanical Islam that would give birth to al Qaeda and its evil stepchild, the Islamic State. Denouncing its savagery seems beyond hypocritical on the part of the royals: In the past month alone, the kingdom’s executioners beheaded 19 people in “Chop-Chop Square,” Riyadh’s medieval justice forum, nearly half for nonviolent crimes.

“It’s important for symbolic reasons,” agrees Richard Barrett, the former head of counterterrorism for MI6, Britain’s secret intelligence service. “They can’t sit on sidelines… They have to take a role of some sort,” he toldNewsweek. “Even if their role is small, it should be visual and actual.”

Barrett also suggested the “allies” start thinking the unthinkable: Saudi, Iranian and U.S. military commanders publicly coordinating attacks on ISIS—as a prelude to a regional peace agreement. Bombing ISIS into submission alone, he pointed out, won’t solve the bigger problem of the region—the struggle of Shiites and Sunnis for hegemony in the Middle East.

“At some point,” he said, “the Saudis and Iran will have to cooperate.” Why not now?

Jeff Stein writes Spytalk from Washington, D.C.
 

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it's absurd
the only thing that you can discuss is technical matters such as armament and strategies , while equipment and weapons are only half of the war , there are more important things than how many aircrafts you have ...

by the way , nice statistics :)
10 tomcats and 70 fulcrums ? dude , seriously ?! :)
 

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it's absurd
the only thing that you can discuss is technical matters such as armament and strategies , while equipment and weapons are only half of the war , there are more important things than how many aircrafts you have ...

by the way , nice statistics :)
10 tomcats and 70 fulcrums ? dude , seriously ?! :)
looks like you have more info
can you tell me about the number of tomcats?
 

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looks like you have more info
can you tell me about the number of tomcats?
questions like this could not be answered unless you ask from the commander of air force

more or less , there would be about 50 - 60 tomcats , which it is believed that about 30 of them are operational

in fulcrum's case , it would be less than 20 ...
 

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questions like this could not be answered unless you ask from the commander of air force

more or less , there would be about 50 - 60 tomcats , which it is believed that about 30 of them are operational

in fulcrum's case , it would be less than 20 ...
about tomcats maybe

but about fulcrum's are you sure?its hard to beliave there are only less than 20 of them!
 

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Please tell me you're not that Persian God King suicide troll. This is the type of thread he'd open up and the same username he'd choose.

And there's no comparison. The lizard eaters spend 10 times more than the akhoonds every year and they've done so for decades. They have a very solid airforce, the akhoonds can barely keep their 50 year old jets in the air. The only way Iran can project power is through the MRBM's that it fields, but lack of a GPS means that they're very much useless.

What Iran can do is attack UAE and knock out their water desalination plants and power plants, along with sending a few BM's to downtown Dubai. This crashes the stock markets across the Persian Gulf, destroys their economy and creates havoc. Of course, the Americans would then annihilate Iran in response.
 

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persia air force cant do anything in a real war! thats why i made that post and i put the pictures and models into it! i also wanted to post arabia air force but i think the arabs should do this they have much more info than me!
but the navy force of iran is in a better shape than saudi arabia
also we are not talking about uae my friend!
 
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