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Opposite of it , manpads are mutually assured ban but Indian fear if they use Choppers then new weapons will flocking in.

One factor is altitude and morality of it , i wish to know the reasoning and not my assumptions.


Heliborne operations are undertaken. But air support is not undertaken as that shall result in extensive collateral damage.

As for why there is no vertical escalation in the valley by either side - I gave you the Indian rationale above, and for Pakistani side, rationale is simple - it keeps the costs for them down, both economically and politically/militarily.

There is a whole economy built on the insurgency there, where the Kashmiris who have the power, are loathe to allow peace to return.
 

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The game is being played out between your neighbour to the West and the allies you have, who bankroll your military program for the precise reason too. It is something that I have indicated quite often here. And the Pakistanis are getting played, albeit willingly, as they have a view that they can get away doing this fine balancing act as long as they can direct the issue of Baluchistan onto India.

That the then PM Mr Manmohan Singh, in his foolishness to acquire peace, allowed the reference in 2009 to creep in the Joint Statement at Sharm el-Sheikh issued along with the then Pakistani PM Mr Yousaf Raza Gilani, allowed Pakistan the respite that it needed. Thereby allowing Pakistan to play the game adeptly.

Further stupidity, and I call it as such, was undertaken by PM Mr Modi in 2015, when he espoused cause of Baluchistan. One never should take credit for something that they are not doing in the first case (and I see few Indian members here make deliberately false claims regarding Baluchistan and Kashmir) and should never make a threat that one is not willing to carry out in the latter case.

And now we can see what benefits accrued to Pakistan.



Has that, the 'FATF Review', really been a concern for Pakistan? With MBS declaring a potential US $20 Billion investment plan, along with a comprehensive bailout plan already in place with UAE as a partner, I would be a sceptic.

On a lighter note, some purported Pakistani twitter member did sardonically(?) point out - that Pakistan can not be isolated as it has borrowed money from everyone.

Cynicism of the statement notwithstanding, it does indicate that there are larger interests at play that have ensured that Pakistan, insofar the economy is concerned, is rather well 'insulated' for the present, as long as the establishment remains amiable to certain positions.

On the other hand, Taliban can be considered a bit apprehensive of a situation wherein it loses favour with Iranians, as some elements of US will still be in Afghanistan, claims of victory notwithstanding, and even an irate India will be a pain when combined with Afghans-Iran-Russia (by default with Iran on this one), something that they would be loathe to repeat.
How the role are reversed, new geopolitics in the making. I bet China will go back to it's initial position during the cold war era.

Pakistan has two competing parallel powers, the Pakistan Government and the Pakistan Military. I have seen that the government wants to improve relations, increase business investment, save the economy from bankruptcy, reduce all unnecessary spending etc. I think this is the best government Pakistan have had in decades.

The government is trying to save every rupee even to the extent of auctioning off cars and buffalos owned by the government. The next logical step would be to reduce the military budget. That is an unproductive spending which every government will eye to reduce this budget.

However, the Military also knows this and doesn't want to cut down their salaries or their size. They know that if their budget is cut, then they will become a smaller power and will likely come under the government. They can't allow that to happen. One way to do this is to make everyone realize the need for a strong military.

They know that allowing such a terrorist attack to happen will lead to all Indians and Iranians screaming for a retaliation. And, in such a situation, the Pakistani government cannot reduce the military budget, but will most likely instead increase it. This is not a situation exclusive to Pakistan, but such things have happened many many times in history whenever the military and the government are competing powers.

I think this is the main reason why this attack happened.

The Pakistani military is not like any other military where it is controlled by the elected government, instead, this military is controlled by a set of an elite group of people. These people have involved in a lot of crime and corruption, but they are untouchable because they are protected by the military. Most of them are anyway high ranking military officials.

The government of Pakistan is the secondary power which they are allowing to exist as a face of the country because they know the country will fall apart if there is no such facade like how it happened in almost all countries controlled by the military. The government is given near full freedom to do whatever they want EXCEPT interfering the activities of the military or its controlling elite.

Which country's military runs businesses and corporations? Pakistan's military does so! They are into every kindof business in Pakistan. Infact, just like how Tata and Reliance are the biggest business empires of India, the Pakistan Army is the biggest business empire of Pakistan.

They are into pretty much every business from salt to oil to education to cement to insurance services to aviation to shopping complexes to advertising agencies to petrol pumps to huge industrial plants, banks, bakeries, schools and universities, hosiery factories, milk dairies, stud farms. You name an industry, and the Pakistani army has a business in that Industry.

The military owns so many businesses because they want to decrease the dependence on the funding from the government. However, they are still critically dependent on the government's money, so they cannot allow the government to reduce that budget.

The best definition of Pakistan army which people can understand is - Imagine if a conglomerate corporation of your country was the Army and the civilian government was paying money to them for "security". But, then a new government came and wants to reduce its budget because the country is in an economic crisis.


The Imran Khan government has been growing with more and more influence. Some land-grabbing deals of the elite of the military are under investigation. And, now the government is getting more and more control with funding from external sources like Saudi Arabia. This makes the military a weaker power over time. They can't make that happen and need to act quick.

So, just causing a terrorist attack in India and Iran will cause people of both countries to rally up anger towards the Pakistani government. This will scare the government and the people. This will make it a very very unpopular move for the government to even talk against the military. The civilians will infact bring down the government if they talk the truth or try to reduce the military budget.

This is how the military wins and stays in power. This is the reason why whenever the government of Pakistan reaches a near-peace-treaty with India, the military get scared and causes a terrorist attack to make the treaty fall apart.


Why people don't understand?

This topic is so complex because common people can't understand this different power structure. They assume the Pakistani government is backstabbing after the peace treaty, but it is in fact the military which is a separate entity doing so. This is why peace treaty with Pakistan government is useless. Instead, what is needed is to bring attention to the power structure of Pakistan and bring down the elites of Pakistan army.

In fact, we need to spread this information so that even the Pakistani people get to understand their own power structure. Most of them know that the army is super powerful but most of them are too naive and fail to understand that their army is backstabbing their own government.

Lots of people know and accept is as reality and ignore the meaning of it which can't be fathom. Great analysis from you anyway.
Heliborne operations are undertaken. But air support is not undertaken as that shall result in extensive collateral damage.

As for why there is no vertical escalation in the valley by either side - I gave you the Indian rationale above, and for Pakistani side, rationale is simple - it keeps the costs for them down, both economically and politically/militarily.

There is a whole economy built on the insurgency there, where the Kashmiris who have the power, are loathe to allow peace to return.
That's what i assumed and said "morality of it". Our doctrine is farce as after so many years we still playing defensively and to some extent offensive defense. I guess our inept depth is somehow lacking connecting to the ground.
 

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How the role are reversed, new geopolitics in the making. I bet China will go back to it's initial position during the cold war era.

I think that we will see more activity in that region now, with India being the fall guy thanks to the stupidities of the two gentlemen mentioned earlier.

As for China, China will insure it's interests through the Pakistani Army, thereby increasing costs for Pakistan as it gets sucked further into a vicious cycle of Saudi funding-Iranian reactions-need to protect Chinese interests-mounting debts-balancing acts etc etc
 

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I think that we will see more activity in that region now, with India being the fall guy thanks to the stupidities of the two gentlemen mentioned earlier.

As for China, China will insure it's interests through the Pakistani Army, thereby increasing costs for Pakistan as it gets sucked further into a vicious cycle of Saudi funding-Iranian reactions-need to protect Chinese interests-mounting debts-balancing acts etc etc
If you read the walls of Kandhar then it was long in the making and for the cherry on top our so called champion of democracy have sharply taken twist strategically while we found ourselves nowhere to be seen. If you come to see it then it's betrayal from pentagon or they planed for it.

Target seems to be Iran i will end at that.
 

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That's what i assumed and said "morality of it". Our doctrine is farce as after so many years we still playing defensively and to some extent offensive defense. I guess our inept dept is somehow lacking connecting to the ground.

It is a beautiful industry.

Let us summarize it:

Rs. 1.14 Lakh Crores - amount granted to J&K from Central Pool from 2000-2016
Rs. 36551.58 Crores - amount granted by PM Reconstruction Plan from 2004-2016
Hawala transactions numbering a few 100 crores more

Then the money being pumped in from Pakistan.

Add to it, the State Revenue.

Now, let us see the actors:

1. The local Politician: gets paid as politician, has influence, controls contractors supplying the armed forces in the state.

2. Hurriyat: gets paid money through various agencies based out of India. Some from within India, has control of various businesses and contractors supplying the armed forces.

A dip in violence is bad for their business as the forces will withdraw, leaving their contractors to compete with each other.

3. The Kashmiri stone pelter - Gets anywhere from Rs 500 per day to Rs 10000 pm to pelt stones as and when required. Risk free money as those who instigate these incidents are in cahoots to ensure that fatalities are at bare minimum. Only when there is a disagreement, do we see injuries at a larger scale. Win win.

Pakistani agencies:

Bogey of India kept alive, able to rule the country effectively without needing to step in. The various business enterprises are a testament as also the various 'perks'.

Indian Armed Forces (including Paramilitary Forces)

Never allowed to quell the militancy. Are given peanuts in terms of Hard Area allowance.

All the best to peace!

Target seems to be Iran i will end at that.

LOL

Head over to the old CPEC thread. You will find me writing of this in 2016 :)
 

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It is a beautiful industry.

Let us summarize it:

Rs. 1.14 Lakh Crores - amount granted to J&K from Central Pool from 2000-2016
Rs. 36551.58 Crores - amount granted by PM Reconstruction Plan from 2004-2016
Hawala transactions numbering a few 100 crores more

Then the money being pumped in from Pakistan.

Add to it, the State Revenue.

Now, let us see the actors:

1. The local Politician: gets paid as politician, has influence, controls contractors supplying the armed forces in the state.

2. Hurriyat: gets paid money through various agencies based out of India. Some from within India, has control of various businesses and contractors supplying the armed forces.

A dip in violence is bad for their business as the forces will withdraw, leaving their contractors to compete with each other.

3. The Kashmiri stone pelter - Gets anywhere from Rs 500 per day to Rs 10000 pm to pelt stones as and when required. Risk free money as those who instigate these incidents are in cahoots to ensure that fatalities are at bare minimum. Only when there is a disagreement, do we see injuries at a larger scale. Win win.

Pakistani agencies:

Bogey of India kept alive, able to rule the country effectively without needing to step in. The various business enterprises are a testament as also the various 'perks'.

Indian Armed Forces (including Paramilitary Forces)

Never allowed to quell the militancy. Are given peanuts in terms of Hard Area allowance.

All the best to peace!



LOL

Head over to the old CPEC thread. You will find me writing of this in 2016 :)
Oh i know as you can see roads in pulwama and central India. Also i never doubted your predictions and if you actually search find me thanking there too. :)

I was talking about our interest which pentagon somehow agree to listen but at the same time was planing all this so it's a breach of trust so i was focusing on that. Real players aren't even discussed here so you gotta love their execution. I will put one more target in hat "CPEC". PTM , Iran attacks ....... you gotta love the Hollywood scripts. :D
 

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Pakistan should welcome Iranian military action against terrorists within Pakistan territory. Why would Pakistan refuse such an offer? It creates further distrust that they have something to hide when they refuse to cooperate with Iran on this matter.
we have capture Auzair balouch who was born and raised in sindh but in the end when he was involved with terrorism had iranian nationality and iranian authoriest wanted him but we got him first. iranian role in terrorism is very doubtful would iran allow us to go and capture indian who have been operating in chahbahar just like kulboshan?
Terrority sud be respected protect your border with wall just like we did with afg and india.
 

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I vote for proper border management on Pak-Iran border as well after Pak-Afghanistan border is completely secured - sooner or later we've to do it, this will help us, at least, in following among many other benefits:
1. Stopping illegal trade that causes loss of millions of dollars.
2. Stopping outbound human smuggling.
3. Stopping terrorists, foreign proxies movement who currently use Afghan border but will use Iran border in future.
4. Stopping terrorists, foreign proxies movement who currently use Iran border.
5. Improving security situation in Baluchistan, Pakistan
6. Stopping blame game being played by our western neighbors.

Regarding provocative comments - at least we're mature enough now to ignore some random barking dog. The age of empires is gone, we should stop naming our enemies unless we've to. We should be completely focusing on economy because without strong economy we cannot get respect that we deserve.
 

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Pakistan has two competing parallel powers, the Pakistan Government and the Pakistan Military. I have seen that the government wants to improve relations, increase business investment, save the economy from bankruptcy, reduce all unnecessary spending etc. I think this is the best government Pakistan have had in decades.

The government is trying to save every rupee even to the extent of auctioning off cars and buffalos owned by the government. The next logical step would be to reduce the military budget. That is an unproductive spending which every government will eye to reduce this budget.

However, the Military also knows this and doesn't want to cut down their salaries or their size. They know that if their budget is cut, then they will become a smaller power and will likely come under the government. They can't allow that to happen. One way to do this is to make everyone realize the need for a strong military.

They know that allowing such a terrorist attack to happen will lead to all Indians and Iranians screaming for a retaliation. And, in such a situation, the Pakistani government cannot reduce the military budget, but will most likely instead increase it. This is not a situation exclusive to Pakistan, but such things have happened many many times in history whenever the military and the government are competing powers.

I think this is the main reason why this attack happened.

The Pakistani military is not like any other military where it is controlled by the elected government, instead, this military is controlled by a set of an elite group of people. These people have involved in a lot of crime and corruption, but they are untouchable because they are protected by the military. Most of them are anyway high ranking military officials.

The government of Pakistan is the secondary power which they are allowing to exist as a face of the country because they know the country will fall apart if there is no such facade like how it happened in almost all countries controlled by the military. The government is given near full freedom to do whatever they want EXCEPT interfering the activities of the military or its controlling elite.

Which country's military runs businesses and corporations? Pakistan's military does so! They are into every kindof business in Pakistan. Infact, just like how Tata and Reliance are the biggest business empires of India, the Pakistan Army is the biggest business empire of Pakistan.

The military owns so many businesses because they want to decrease the dependence on the funding from the government. However, they are still critically dependent on the government's money, so they cannot allow the government to reduce that budget.

The best definition of Pakistan army which people can understand is - Imagine if a conglomerate corporation of your country was the Army and the civilian government was paying money to them for "security". But, then a new government came and wants to reduce its budget because the country is in an economic crisis.

So, just causing a terrorist attack in India and Iran will cause people of both countries to rally up anger towards the Pakistani government. This will scare the government and the people. This will make it a very very unpopular move for the government to even talk against the military. The civilians will infact bring down the government if they talk the truth or try to reduce the military budget.

This is how the military wins and stays in power. This is the reason why whenever the government of Pakistan reaches a near-peace-treaty with India, the military get scared and causes a terrorist attack to make the treaty fall apart.

Rich coming from citizen of country whose broken army just suffer from rouge elements which killed 200+ people in failed coup. I think we are doing just fine with our army, what about Turkish army businesses and corruption, are they saints? Turkish defence budget is decreasing every year?

Pak Iran border is open for all including Iranian born and bred terrorists, smugglers, you can't really call it border when there is no infrastructure put to stop such activities on either side, these Jandullah terrorists were not born in Pakistan they are Iranians. If Iranians are so hurt by attacks so much they should build a wall or fence just like you are doing on your borders or we are doing along Afghan border instead of barking against Pakistan especially when we have all the diplomatic channels open.
 

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You list is why they will never get a grip on reality. Life isnt getting better, it’s getting worse as the years go on for pakistanis. As you pointed their literacy rate is decreasing, their HDI is that of failed states, their per capita income is less than Bangladesh’s. When faced with this insurmountable reality they’ve decided to retreat into a fantasy world where these problems dont exist, where they aren’t hated by the wider world, where their economy snd diplomstic clout exists.

And yet Pakistanis are a lot happier then Indians, Iranians and many others :)
 

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You should cry Afghani bcoz Pakistan have downed Israeli jets in the past with inferior Arab equipments provided by soviets
I think you were sleep as usual.big deal Pakistan down Israeli jet
Iranian upgraded S200

who are you? Stick to Marg bar BS.
you see you come from Pakistan, not only Israeli jet was down you can add to list quite few others
 
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What it got to do with you?

this says it all
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http://english.almanar.com.lb/30193
 
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