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killed is too strong word , from day one it was considred an accident , now that is also in doubt, but still in progress and final say is by judiciary medicine

oh that insident , so those havalah that there were used by pakistani merchants to do trades with iran and bypass western owned banking system is what really make you angry.
you are angry because those merchants didn't bow to american masters
Oh my god! You aren't even accepting that this girl died in your police custody. I can't continue this discussion because you are lying openly. Arabs, Americans and everyone that Iran hates should all go to hell. This isn't our fight. Fight your own war.
 

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Oh my god! You aren't even accepting that this girl died in your police custody.
they didn't find any hemorrhage in ct-scan , i myself first taught it was brain hemorrhage due to trauma in van , until ksa funded media published ct-scan , well i gave you it was not complete , but it was part of the ct that they taught show fracture and brain hemorrhage and guess what . it was not fx , it was a prior surgery and there was not a hemorrhage , there was brain edema . when i saw that i had no choice but to wait for judiciary medicine result they didn't reach to a conclusion yet but they said there was no sign of trauma , now tell me what i must think .
I can't continue this discussion because you are lying openly.
just show me any evidence of trauma
 

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@waz @Amaa'n

Please Issue a warning to trolls here for derailing the thread. Why is trolling allowed in our section? The thread is about SU-35S in IRIAF yet trolls are flaming here about unrelated things.
 

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BT is saying the total need of IRIAF for these fighters is conveyed to be either 64 or 24+64=88. How do they fit in ? Will they retire entire F-4E/D fleet ?
 

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Nothing officialy saying that. Russians nor Egyptians officials confirmed it and the production was ongoing with our own camos. If we canceled the deal, the Russians wouldn't make new aircrafts based on our own camos.


Big countries will not giving you significant ToT espcailly for a advanced aircraft like the SU-35. Egypt is asking ToT for the Tejas JF-17 T/FA-50 etc..
Hi,

Egypt does need a TOT for an LCA---it is long overdue---. JF-17 BLK 3 would be a very good start.

HA-300 project died in 1967 even before Sadat.

We have infrastructure. We build Alpha Jet and K-8 jets and some others and maybe in the future KC-390. So we don't have to worry about the infrastructure
Hi,

For egypt---in this day and age---infra structure would not be an issue. It is more about the availability of funds & commitment---and egypt does not have any shortage of either.
 

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Hi,

Egypt does need a TOT for an LCA---it is long overdue---. JF-17 BLK 3 would be a very good start.


Hi,

For egypt---in this day and age---infra structure would not be an issue. It is more about the availability of funds & commitment---and egypt does not have any shortage of either.
I think Pakistan offered to us JF-17 Thunder block 2-3 with ToT but something happened then it broke. This is the only explanation for it. Now, we are negotiating with South Korea for the FA-50 and India for the Tejas MK1A/2. But mostly India will win the contract because they can offer more ToT for the aircraft but also for the armaments etc... Plus the indian MoD just visited Egypt last week and visited H-300 aircraft. And also, we wanted the BrahMos missile and maybe we will get some ToT so we can mount on MIG-29 and Rafales.
 

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Recently published an article on SU-35S ad other purchases from Russia

- 24 x SU-35S, confirmed. MoU/Deal was first time discussed and signed in October 2021 by Bagheri in Moscow the problem was Iranian insistence on oil payments. Was discussed again in January when the agreement was reached. He confirmed that SU-30SM was first time sought by IRIAF in 2006 with TOT but was no longer part of plans when sanctions were removed.

- 64 x SU-35S will be the total order (IRIAF's mentioned need), he did not mention if they are total 64 or in addition to the above-mentioned 24 which will make the fleet 88 x Super Flankers strong. Arab media is spreading rumors that IRGCAF will own 64 (or 40) fighters IRIAF will get 24. Make of it as you will. SU-35S is intended to replace 64 x F-4E/D, 23 (12 active) x Mirage F-1Q/EQ and ~30 (16 active) x SU-22M4.

- 23 x MIG-29 fleet is being MLUed/Upgraded to MIG-29 SMT standard which means R-77-1 and R-73M/R-74 with 60 deg OBS will be procured. He did not mention if additional airframes will be procured. There is a upgradation facility already semi functional in Mehrabad for this purpose.

- 30 x SU-24MK will be brought to SU-24M2 standards. This will be a massive upgrade.

- Yak-130 is being discussed. This makes no sense because what is Yasin AT is for then ? again parallel projects are being run. The dilemma of Iran.

His work on Kowsar/Saegheh and F-14AM (recently published)

- There will be a fleet of 64 x Kowsar-I. Entire current fleet of 35 x F-5E and 14 x F-5F will form repository parts for them. the rest of the numbers are built from scratch. He says OWJ turbojets are not entirely built from scratch and use some black market-purchased parts of J-85-GE-21A. He confirmed the FBW, Modern Radar+ECCM, E-Warfare suite of Jammer, IFF, RWR, Chaff/Flare, Double Duplex Data linking and 5 computers out of which two are entirely dedicated to the weapons systems. After this production, Kowsar-II/Saegheh-III will get into production.

- 40 x F-14A are in flyable condition out of which ~20 are Full mission capable (FMC) and can be deployed for Quick Reaction Alerts (QRA). Some ~12 are F-14AM that can search/track at 350/200 KM and can use Fakour-90 (100 units made) or AIM-54 (30 x massively overhauled units). This number will increase. OWJ industries have created an entire local airframe and has also built a local TF-30-P414 turbofan. There is a 200 Km long ranging BVR being developed by Babaei Missile Industries with ARH seeker and ECCM capabilities of Fakour that can track even Shahed-171 in a Jamming environment. The plane will also receive a very modern WVR missile "Azaraksh" with a range of 40 KM with Focal Plane Array (FPA) seeker using video-camera type charge-coupled device (CCD). It will have a 4 different motors controlling 4 canards, very similar to AIM-9X Block II/III.

- Good Bye to Mirage F1/Q/EQ (23), F-7N (43), F-5E/F/R(60)

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IRIAF+IRGC-AF future fleet (RCS m2, Search/track range KM, BVR, WVR, e-warfare, TDL)

104-133 x Heavy Interceptors/CAP (4.0 to 4++ generation)
64-88 x SU-35S (10-14 m2, IRBIS-E 250/100+, R-77-1+R-74, yes, yes)
40-45 x F-14AM (6-10 m2, AWG-9+ 350/150, Fakour-90+AIM-54+Azarakhsh WVR, No, Yes?)

87+ (Manned) + 200 (Unmanned) Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) (4.0 to 4+ generation)
23 x MIG-29 SMT (3-5m2, Zhuk-ME 180/120, R-77-1+R-73M, yes, no)
64 x Kowsar-I (<3m2, Grifo-346 115/93, local AIM-7E2+Azarakhsh WVR, Yes, Yes)
Unknown x Kowsar-II (<3m2, Grifo-E equivalent AESA 200/150, local AIM-7E2+Azarakhsh WVR)
200 x Karrar UCAV Wingmen (<1 m2, Azarakhsh WVR)

124 (Manned) + 350 (Unmanned) Attack/ELINT/SIGINT, PGM (4.0 to 3++ generation)
30 x SU-24M2 (?? R-60M/R-73+KH-29+KH-58+KAB series PGM, No, No)
64 x F-4E/D (10m2, Bayyenat-II 150/100, AIM-7E2+AIM-9P/J+Ya-Ali LACM+Ghader/Nasr AShCM+ Glide PGM, No, No)
30 x SU-22M3 (16 active) (??, R-60M+Fajr-4 ALBM+Hoveyzeh LACM+Glide PGM, yes, yes)
200 x Mohajer-6 (Synthetic Aperture Radar, EO/IR, Laser guided, TV guided PGM)
50+ x Shahed 171/191 Stealth Flying wing UCAV (SA Radar, EO/IR, Laser+TV guided PGM)
40 x Shahed 129/149 (Synthetic Aperture Radar, EO/IR, Laser guided, TV guided PGM)
40 x KAMAN-22+12 (Synthetic Aperture Radar, EO/IR, Laser guided, TV guided PGM, E-Warfare X band Pods Shahin-II/Oghab)
30 x Ababil-5 (Synthetic Aperture Radar, EO/IR, Laser guided, TV guided PGM)

12 x Advanced trainers (4.0 generation)
Yak-130?? (~1 m2, Phazotron Kopyo 120/80, R-73M, Yes, No?)
Yasin AT (??m2, Grifo-346 115/93, Azarakhsh WVR, Yes, No?)

Loitering/Suicide Drones
Shahed-136
Arash-I/II
 

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Recently published an article on SU-35S ad other purchases from Russia

- 24 x SU-35S, confirmed. MoU/Deal was first time discussed and signed in October 2021 by Bagheri in Moscow the problem was Iranian insistence on oil payments. Was discussed again in January when the agreement was reached. He confirmed that SU-30SM was first time sought by IRIAF in 2006 with TOT but was no longer part of plans when sanctions were removed.

- 64 x SU-35S will be the total order (IRIAF's mentioned need), he did not mention if they are total 64 or in addition to the above-mentioned 24 which will make the fleet 88 x Super Flankers strong. Arab media is spreading rumors that IRGCAF will own 64 (or 40) fighters IRIAF will get 24. Make of it as you will. SU-35S is intended to replace 64 x F-4E/D, 23 (12 active) x Mirage F-1Q/EQ and ~30 (16 active) x SU-22M4.

- 23 x MIG-29 fleet is being MLUed/Upgraded to MIG-29 SMT standard which means R-77-1 and R-73M/R-74 with 60 deg OBS will be procured. He did not mention if additional airframes will be procured. There is a upgradation facility already semi functional in Mehrabad for this purpose.

- 30 x SU-24MK will be brought to SU-24M2 standards. This will be a massive upgrade.

- Yak-130 is being discussed. This makes no sense because what is Yasin AT is for then ? again parallel projects are being run. The dilemma of Iran.

His work on Kowsar/Saegheh and F-14AM (recently published)

- There will be a fleet of 64 x Kowsar-I. Entire current fleet of 35 x F-5E and 14 x F-5F will form repository parts for them. the rest of the numbers are built from scratch. He says OWJ turbojets are not entirely built from scratch and use some black market-purchased parts of J-85-GE-21A. He confirmed the FBW, Modern Radar+ECCM, E-Warfare suite of Jammer, IFF, RWR, Chaff/Flare, Double Duplex Data linking and 5 computers out of which two are entirely dedicated to the weapons systems. After this production, Kowsar-II/Saegheh-III will get into production.

- 40 x F-14A are in flyable condition out of which ~20 are Full mission capable (FMC) and can be deployed for Quick Reaction Alerts (QRA). Some ~12 are F-14AM that can search/track at 350/200 KM and can use Fakour-90 (100 units made) or AIM-54 (30 x massively overhauled units). This number will increase. OWJ industries have created an entire local airframe and has also built a local TF-30-P414 turbofan. There is a 200 Km long ranging BVR being developed by Babaei Missile Industries with ARH seeker and ECCM capabilities of Fakour that can track even Shahed-171 in a Jamming environment. The plane will also receive a very modern WVR missile "Azaraksh" with a range of 40 KM with Focal Plane Array (FPA) seeker using video-camera type charge-coupled device (CCD). It will have a 4 different motors controlling 4 canards, very similar to AIM-9X Block II/III.

- Good Bye to Mirage F1/Q/EQ (23), F-7N (43), F-5E/F/R(60)

..........................................................................

IRIAF+IRGC-AF future fleet (RCS m2, Search/track range KM, BVR, WVR, e-warfare, TDL)

104-133 x Heavy Interceptors/CAP (4.0 to 4++ generation)
64-88 x SU-35S (10-14 m2, IRBIS-E 250/100+, R-77-1+R-74, yes, yes)
40-45 x F-14AM (6-10 m2, AWG-9+ 350/150, Fakour-90+AIM-54+Azarakhsh WVR, No, Yes?)

87+ (Manned) + 200 (Unmanned) Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) (4.0 to 4+ generation)
23 x MIG-29 SMT (3-5m2, Zhuk-ME 180/120, R-77-1+R-73M, yes, no)
64 x Kowsar-I (<3m2, Grifo-346 115/93, local AIM-7E2+Azarakhsh WVR, Yes, Yes)
Unknown x Kowsar-II (<3m2, Grifo-E equivalent AESA 200/150, local AIM-7E2+Azarakhsh WVR)
200 x Karrar UCAV Wingmen (<1 m2, Azarakhsh WVR)

124 (Manned) + 350 (Unmanned) Attack/ELINT/SIGINT, PGM (4.0 to 3++ generation)
30 x SU-24M2 (?? R-60M/R-73+KH-29+KH-58+KAB series PGM, No, No)
64 x F-4E/D (10m2, Bayyenat-II 150/100, AIM-7E2+AIM-9P/J+Ya-Ali LACM+Ghader/Nasr AShCM+ Glide PGM, No, No)
30 x SU-22M3 (16 active) (??, R-60M+Fajr-4 ALBM+Hoveyzeh LACM+Glide PGM, yes, yes)
200 x Mohajer-6 (Synthetic Aperture Radar, EO/IR, Laser guided, TV guided PGM)
50+ x Shahed 171/191 Stealth Flying wing UCAV (SA Radar, EO/IR, Laser+TV guided PGM)
40 x Shahed 129/149 (Synthetic Aperture Radar, EO/IR, Laser guided, TV guided PGM)
40 x KAMAN-22+12 (Synthetic Aperture Radar, EO/IR, Laser guided, TV guided PGM, E-Warfare X band Pods Shahin-II/Oghab)
30 x Ababil-5 (Synthetic Aperture Radar, EO/IR, Laser guided, TV guided PGM)

12 x Advanced trainers (4.0 generation)
Yak-130?? (~1 m2, Phazotron Kopyo 120/80, R-73M, Yes, No?)
Yasin AT (??m2, Grifo-346 115/93, Azarakhsh WVR, Yes, No?)

Loitering/Suicide Drones
Shahed-136
Arash-I/II
New built or the egyptians ones? Did he specify exactly or no?
 

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New built or the egyptians ones? Did he specify exactly or no?

He says initially there will be 24 already built ones then additional ones will come as the need exists for 64. These 64 are in addition to 24 or the total size of the fleet is 64 is not mentioned. Along with this MIG-29, 9.12 fleet will become Mig-29SMT, SU-24MK will be SU-24M2.

this journalist is bit crazy so make of it as you will but he is usually right about IRIAF.
 

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He says initially there will be 24 already built ones then additional ones will come as the need exists for 64. These 64 are in addition to 24 or the total size of the fleet is 64 is not mentioned. Along with this MIG-29, 9.12 fleet will become Mig-29SMT, SU-24MK will be SU-24M2.

this journalist is bit crazy so make of it as you will but he is usually right about IRIAF.
Let's see only time will tell us. But will Russia be able to build new ones with the ongoing war, sanctions etc... Plus South Korea stopped giving important parts for Russia (I think it was the electronic chips).
 
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Let's see only time will tell us. But will Russia be able to build new ones with the ongoing war, sanctions etc... Plus South Korea stopped giving important parts for Russia (I think it was the electronic chips).

So just because SK has stopped selling chips to Russia, that doesnt mean Russia cant source it from China or internally.
 

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War is not happening in compounds of Sukhoi OKB



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there is no doubt the supply chain can be redesigned , but it take some time and also they had to redesign the boards and circuits too and that also take some time . and at the end as its the equipment for those L-Band AESA radar that were imported from S. Korea you must see if the new equipment are as efficient as the old ones.
 

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