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Facts:

1) Surveillance camera footage was shown of Mahsa Amini exiting the police van, walking into the public office building she was driven to along with several other women arrested, as well as of her inside the building for several minutes. There's no visible sign of physical discomfort on her part. A person beaten to an inch of their life will not behave in such a way.

2) Her father was shown at the hospital admitting she had had a surgery during childhood.

3) Hospital records confirmed her antecedents.

4) CT scans of her head and torso taken shortly before her demise, were leaked. But instead of documenting police violence, they showed no trace of traumatic injury whatsoever.

5) The legal medical report, which is trustworthy according to physicians not in line with the Islamic Revolution, corroborates that she wasn't subjected to lethal violence.

This is while there's no inkling of evidence to support the accusation that she was murdered.

The conclusion is that Mahsa Amini passed away as a result of her health condition combined with the stress she found herself under.



That Iran's intelligence services would catch foreign spies operating on Iranian soil every now and then is not a particularly aberrant notion. As for pressure by hostile powers, Iran's been in that situation continuously since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
All you're doing is speculating, and the Iranian regime has a history of "leaking" doctored fake documents.

Also, let's not pretend things weren't heating up between Iran and the west just prior to the riots.

You're purposefully misleading people here.

Nothing you said is factual, just speculation and government propaganda.
 

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Why can't west mind their own damn business ?
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All you're doing is speculating,

I enumerated a series of hard facts. They certainly weigh more than non-existing evidence for the allegation that Amini was killed.

and the Iranian regime has a history of "leaking" doctored fake documents.

Share that claimed history.

The CT scans were published by media linked to hostile governments, namely Al-Arabiya and Iran International (both Saudi-funded).

And several minutes of CCTV recordings are hard to fake. So are the statements of Amini's father. Nobody's called into question the authenticity of these footages.

Also, let's not pretend things weren't heating up between Iran and the west just prior to the riots.

Relations between Iran and the west have been sour for 43 years, with numerous peaks of tension during this period.

Whether or not they were heating up just prior to the riots does not affect the reality that Iranian intelligence services may catch foreign spies. There's no mutual exclusivity.

You're purposefully misleading people here.

No such thing.

Nothing you said is factual, just speculation and government propaganda.

Except that I provided a number of verifiable documented elements, whose validity cannot be denied.
 
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If these are Frances top agents you can execute me, are they maybe hippie activists most likely are they planning an armed rebellion that honestly is laughable,they should just get a slap on the wrist old guy looks like my dad who turned 82. Here’s what’s happening these French “intelligence officers” are an attempt to get Iranian nationals out of European jails.

WoW there is a technology that can judge just by looks, amazing ....must be Artificial Intelligence :) ... besides west is never involved in any crimes they are always innocent...PEROID....
 

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I enumerated a series of hard facts. They certainly weigh more than non-existing evidence for the allegation that Amini was killed.



Share that claimed history.

The CT scans were published by media linked to hostile governments, namely Al-Arabiya and Iran International (both Saudi-funded).

And several minutes of CCTV recordings are hard to fake. So are the statements of Amini's father. Nobody's called into question the authenticity of these footages.



Relations between Iran and the west have been sour for 43 years, with numerous peaks of tension during this period.

Whether or not they were heating up just prior to the riots does not affect the reality that Iranian intelligence services may catch foreign spies. There's no mutual exclusivity.



No such thing.



Except that I provided a number of verifiable documented elements, whose validity isn't really deniable.
Iran has a history of arresting innocent people and claiming they're spies.

Also, you did not post "hard facts", you posted Iranian government propaganda.

You didn't provide a thing, you provided claims, nothing more.

Your entire post is bs, and you know it.

give me Ali Khamenei for 3 days i can bring you his confession that he is JEW and a secret agent of israel in iran .
This is why video confessions mean nothing to me.
 

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Iran has a history of arresting innocent people and claiming they're spies.

Share details of this alleged history with us. Simply stating so won't make it true onto itself.

Also, you did not post "hard facts", you posted Iranian government propaganda.

CCTV footage is a hard fact.

The statement of Amini's father is a hard fact and he's not working for the Iranian government.

CT scans published by Saudi media do not qualify as Iranian government propaganda either.

You didn't provide a thing, you provided claims, nothing more.

I beg to differ. Facts are what I provided.

As opposed to you, given how you've merely posted blanket statements whithout backing them up with any sort of data.

Your entire post is bs, and you know it.

What I know is that these types of ad hominems and attacks will never make up for substantiated argumentation, which is something you've failed to produce here.

This is why video confessions mean nothing to me.

Nor does it prove those people aren't spies.
 

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Share details of this alleged history with us. Simply stating so won't make it true onto itself.



CCTV footage is a hard fact.

The statement of Amini's father is a hard fact and he's not working for the Iranian government.

CT scans published by Saudi media do not qualify as Iranian government propaganda either.



I beg to differ. Facts are what I provided.

As opposed to you, given how you've merely posted blanket statements whithout backing them up with any sort of data.



What I know is that these types of ad hominems and attacks will never make up for substantiated argumentation, which is something you've failed to produce here.



Nor does it prove those people aren't spies.
A few days with me, I can make anyone say anything.

The CCTV footage isn't proof, it just shows she didn't die right away.

Also...


Iran is quite well known for its hostage diplomacy. The article talks about Iran's engagement of this activity and leads to a larger listing which you can read. All of it is cited and sourced in detail.

You also don't know what an ad hominen is, or you do and are once again lying about it.

You have not posted evidence, you've posted claims.

Nice try, but posting bs won't work.
 

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The CCTV footage isn't proof, it just shows she didn't die right away.

It shows she had not been beaten to an inch of her life in the foregoing minutes. You exhibit visible signs of pain when you are and will not walk around nonchalantly.

Also...


Iran is quite well known for its hostage diplomacy.

Well known where? Amongst regimes salty about their spies getting caught by Iran?

The article talks about Iran's engagement of this activity and leads to a larger listing which you can read. All of it is cited and sourced in detail.

I see claims by western officials. No proof concerning the supposed innocence of those arrested and held by Iran.

You also don't know what an ad hominen is, or you do and are once again lying about it.

This for instance constitutes ad hominem:

You're purposefully misleading people here.

Insofar as it is akin to portraying its addressee as a liar.

You have not posted evidence, you've posted claims.

CCTV footage isn't a subjective "claim" on my part.

The statement by Amini's father isn't a subjective "claim" on my part.

CT scans published by media linked to a hostile regime (Saudi Arabia) and corroborating the fact that Amini wasn't subjected to lethal violence, are no subjective "claim" on my part either.

They're hard facts, and form a block of evidence.

Nice try, but posting bs won't work.

You've posted literally nothing but empty statements. And a Wikipedia link referencing unsubstantiated western propaganda. Plus nothing on Mahsa Amini.
 
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This for instance is an ad hominem:



Insofar as it is akin to portraying its.
That is not an ad hominen, you clearly don't know what an ad hominem is.

If this is all you had to say, then I think we're done here.

FYI, everything in the wiki articles is all cited and sourced, you're ignoring common sense.

You also don't understand how burden of proof works.

Once again, I can make anyone say anything provided you hand them over to me for a day and give me immunity from prosecution.
 

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WoW there is a technology that can judge just by looks, amazing ....must be Artificial Intelligence :) ... besides west is never involved in any crimes they are always innocent...PEROID....
No I honestly do believe there are intelligence agents working in iran, sabotage, information gathering. One of the members
Would you think these 2 were "seasoned intelligence officers"
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Tho considering the mistakes that they made that lead to their capture,you`d be forgiven for thinking they were the french intelligence versions of inspector Clouseau....
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Never underestimate the stupidity of the french....
.....of course thats also true for the rest of the 💩 eurovassals💩 as well.
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This is the woman who committed the bombing of the warrior wasn’t hard to find from 2017, look I’m not saying it’s not a bad ploy to get Iranian nationals back to iran. If the woman caught in iran was involved in the warrior bombing she would have to be in her early to late 70s she looks early to mid 40s, the guys age would be a closer match, but your lumping them both in.
 

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WoW there is a technology that can judge just by looks, amazing ....must be Artificial Intelligence :) ... besides west is never involved in any crimes they are always innocent...PEROID....
No I believe iran has caught many spies from western countries, I just don’t believe they are spies. One of the members on this site posted a picture of woman involved in the warrior insinuating she was the woman involved in the plot easy google search finds a woman from 2017 speaking of her involvement in the bombing. Look I’m not saying it’s not a bad ploy to get Iranian nationals out of prisons in the west, but other than a confession where is the actual proof, if the officials have no problem parading these “spies” with all the hard evidence I’m sure they have videos, audio recordings, financial statements and etc etc it would embarrass France for sure right, that France is trying to stoke a civil war. Like I said hippie wannabes at best. With all the Algerian nationals in France you think France would think it’s better to find people who can blend into Iranian society and not stick out like sore thumb
 

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No I believe iran has caught many spies from western countries, I just don’t believe they are spies. One of the members on this site posted a picture of woman involved in the warrior insinuating she was the woman involved in the plot easy google search finds a woman from 2017 speaking of her involvement in the bombing. Look I’m not saying it’s not a bad ploy to get Iranian nationals out of prisons in the west, but other than a confession where is the actual proof, if the officials have no problem parading these “spies” with all the hard evidence I’m sure they have videos, audio recordings, financial statements and etc etc it would embarrass France for sure right, that France is trying to stoke a civil war. Like I said hippie wannabes at best. With all the Algerian nationals in France you think France would think it’s better to find people who can blend into Iranian society and not stick out like sore thumb
Where is the video??!!!

how about this one in the third post:

Showing these two french love birds in meetings with different worker syndicates. or did expect a video of these two inside french inteliigence office reporting to their boss?!

give me Ali Khamenei for 3 days i can bring you his confession that he is JEW and a secret agent of israel in iran .
For start consult with Americans to force confess all the prisoners in US Guantanamo camp.
 

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Publicly shoot them....No infidels are allowed in Iran.


One thing i noticed for few years , a huge number of Iranians are atheist and west addicted. Majority of Iranians are in street are Islamophobic and atheist.

Iran need to reform socio-Islamic ideology to more authentic one, rather some fan made rituals.

If iran falls in this protest, it will be nothing more home of transgender, liberal deepshit, homo-sick people, feminist wasteland
you missed out aryan german blonde wannabes.
 

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Where is the video??!!!

how about this one in the third post:

Showing these two french love birds in meetings with different worker syndicates. or did expect a video of these two inside french inteliigence office reporting to their boss?!


For start consult with Americans to force confess all the prisoners in US Guantanamo camp.
No not the video confessions but what led the investigators to capture them, not clippings from members of a bombing that purported to show someone that wasn’t the same person in the article. Look again iran has taken out many spies in the past and honestly they’re really good at it, but everything points out hippie wannabes. Also if they are master spies capable of anything why wouldn’t they handcuffed, from the video of them writing on the board, which I’m sure was practiced beforehand.
 

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