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Iranian Revolution saved Pakistan from Iranian f-16s. Thank god Americans handed over Iran bound f-16s to Israel. Iran can do whatever it wants but BMD can't save Iran. These fighter jets are too old.
 

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Yeah sure it must be 12-15 even with simple sat images it is verified there was more than 30 10 yrs ago...and no F-16 dont have even chance against F-14..no matter what block we are talking about,even in close range combat F-14 turn angle,climb rate ,and every other ascpect is better than even F-16...F-14 can make 7G turn at mach 2..while in same time can fly at extremly low speed and turn at far better angle than F-16..ofcourse in practice F-5 can take out MIG-25 but those are extremly rare cases..if we talk about some situation where pilots with same capabilities are on both side and with similar assets on ground,nope..F-16 is ittle child for big boys..F-18 would never replace F-14 if they didnt fake some test documents,and main reason F-14 is retired in 2006 was Dick Cheney obsesion with Iran F-14 fleet after they find out some civilian contractors shiped F-14 parts and AIM54C components to Iran...Yes price was high and US was already planed to replace F-14 but only because they thought threat that required them is not any more there..but as I said,that beast was 40-50$ bilion in 1979..when F-4 cost was 2-3$ bilion..you cant put F-16,no matter which block in same basket....F-16 can lunch 2 AIM-120 in same timeand older variant have to wait till first AMRAAM became active to lunch second...few 14 overall capability is better than 12 F-16..but you people just dont get it,I would like to put you on battlefied for few days..to see how 3 T-34-85 + 1 T-55 eat alive 2 M-84 with only one lost T-34 (M-84 MBT is made in Yugoslavia on T-72 basis,with little better perfomance than T-72A)..those are 3 85mm gun + one 100mm gun vs two 125mm guns with autoloader..even M-84 was at that time MBT few years old,it simple doesnt matter because on battlefield it is overall capability of whole battle group is what matters,it would eat alive any of those old MBTs 1 on 1...But thing is F-14 is better even on 1 on 1,and if you go to any US military you will find out more about any of those platforms...You think one super power like US,would scrap whole its F-14 fleet and all parts..if it is not such big threat?? Even in museums there is just few F-14 left...I dont have a link,but I would point you to You Tube where you can find F-14 presentation,it is new presentation few years old where now some declasified documents are available.people who speak are cheef of F-14 project and few other people that worked on F-14 and some other platforms,it is interesting because they compare F-14 and few different platform...They used new and revolutionary tech on F-14,so that it could serve more 20 yrs without been obsolete in any aspect. They had to built titanium welding facility just for 14,and 6 materials used on F-14 was not used ever before..I will try to find...
I dont know if F14 retirement was due to what you are saying (stopping Iran's ways to get spare parts and components of such a powerful platform) or simply that the wheel of Military Indrustrial Complex had to be turning and turning, draining resources and resources of the american taxpayers in a never-ending-story, so USA decided to change a mighty high-tech platform for a less mighty platform (Hornets/SuperHornets) only to favour the Military Ind. Complex ethernal hunger, not for technical reasons.
Also it's important to note USA decided to favour SuperHornets instead of building an even more powerful Tomcat platform, the SuperTomcat, which would have been a decades long air dominant plane.

IMHO I think Iran doesnt URGENTLY need put their hands on a SU-30 SM or a SU-35 in order to learn how to build a top class fighter (other thing is to get soon some tens of SU-30 or SU-35 to boost its Air Force in a quick way, but it would suppose many $billions and also it would suppose to deal with Russian delays, and excuses, and delays...as with S-300).
Iran HAS today a top class fighter, F-14, to learn from, and to build a fighter using some of the specs from this mighty platform.
Even Vladimir Antonov designed the SU-27 based on the F-14 design (pancake fuselage, wide tunnel engines separation, in order to create extremely high lift and maneuverability) , so we could tell SU-27-30-35 are the soviet-russian equivalent to the F-14 (not the F-15 as usually said).
There are even rumours Iran gave one F-14 to the URSS in exchange of military HW during the beginning of Iran-Irak war. This story (rumours) suits with the fact Vladimir Antonov and Sukhoi had many problems with initial T-10 prototypes (precursors of final SU-27) , until final prototype in 1981. Who knows...but SU-27-30-35 are sons of the mighty F-14.

Talking about Iran maintaining >40 operational Tomcats even being hyper-sanctioned to any kind of aid, and knowing the extremely complex an F-14 is... it's very naive to think this has been achieved by "cannibalization" :disagree: F-14 is so cmplex for sure Iran has developed its own spare parts, components, etc even with TF-30 parts. I'm sure about that.
So if Iran has reached that level of tech-development, it's obvious Iran is able to build a fighter class in its own, maybe not as powerful as an F-14 but enough for its own needs. Even with a turbojet!!!
Having modern avionics, moders EW suite, modern radars, modern AAM... this turbojet fighter would be well capable. No need to fall in the turbofan trap, designed from and for the western-Russia-China military industrial complexes, not for countries like Iran.



I read post 19 and yours and laughed.

When I was active duty, my first jet was the F-111. Now, the 'Vark is more agile than most people, including those in the Air Force, realized. Wings swept, both the 'Vark and the 'Cat are very similar in performance, with the 'Cat a slight advantage because it was designed with more air-air mission than the 'Vark. Then when I transferred to the F-16, it was like moving from a limo to an open wheeled racer. For most pilots, their initial exposure to 9g was in training, then they get assigned to whatever aircraft. Those who are assigned to tankers/transports will not see 9g again. But for those who moved to the F-16 from other jets, they found out quickly enough that to get 9g in instantaneous turn was as simple as flicking the right wrist. Or just thinking about moving the right wrist. In BFM, how quickly can a jet change heading is more important than how long it can sustain a particular g in a turn. Nobody want to fight a Viper. Sure, everybody talk smack about their fighters. But there is always that slight hesitancy when they look at their schedule and see that little jet as adversary training. When I was on the F-111 and stationed in the UK, our squadron gone up against NATO F-16s and the best we can do is go low and pushed the throttle. Nothing else. Post 19 was hilarious. You guys talk about BFM as if it is two-dimensional. And we hope Iranian pilots continues to think like you guys do here on PDF.

So for you and your pal in post 19, did you guys know that there are biplanes that can out turn the F-16? How long and how well Iran maintains the F-14 is irrelevant. Too much time passed the same way the Sopwith Camel and the P-51. I have no problems betting the house on the F-16 against Iranian F-14s any day. And all the bookies in Vegas, Atlantic City, and Macao will back me up.
Well, your F-111 was designed and built to do some tasks, and none of them was being an air superiority fighter, nor was having high maneuverability .
On the contrary, F-14 was designed based on the VAFX/VFX program, and its main goals (obviously achieved) were:
  1. Air superiority
  2. Fleet Air Defence FADF
  3. Attack Escort
  4. Air to Ground Attack
  5. Long loiter time
  6. Range
  7. Approach speed to the carrier
Note THE FIRST ONE, the first priority, was air superiority (with visual maneuvering close combat in mind) .

So get luck with your F-16 and your bookies in Vegas, Atlantic City, and Macao.
 

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Iranian AD is already saving the skies, so this is already a misnomer.
Air defense on its own...without a robust air force...will eventually be destroyed...or thinned out enough where there will be huge gaps in coverage. There is a reason why despite having air defense systems...every major power on earth maintains potent fleets of fighter jets(even if it costs them billions).
rusty airforce has kept NATO airforce deterred- FACT.

Proof of pudding is in the eating. i know some of u Pakistanis will come to this thread to troll but if Iran's airforce is weak and irrelevant, then tell us why no country has attacked Iran yet? a bunch of weak scarecrows i guess.
If someone tries to mention a problem...u guys immediately think that this Pakistani is trolling. This problem stems from excessive unchecked nationalism...where it blinds u from objectively considering something.

As for why no one has attacked Iran yet...being used as proof of it's air force being potent...
...that is flawed reasoning. No one has attacked Malta either...is it bcuz everyone is scared of their air force?

The thing with attacking a country...takes much more into account than just their air force. It is a massive commitment of men and money. It is easy to attack a country...easy to defeat most countries too(for the likes of US and NATO) but it is incredibly hard to hold on to that country(as in stay there and enforce ur will). It requires billions of dollars to occupy a country and supporting that operation from oceans apart. We saw this well in Afghanistan. This is the primary reason that I would think has kept NATO countries and US from attacking Iran(in terms of waging a war). It's this overall calculation...it is flawed thinking to use this to give credit to any one aspect of Iranian military(like Iranian air force) as being "effective enough to deter".
 

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No one has attacked Malta either...is it bcuz everyone is scared of their air force?
No, its because Malta hasnt:
1. Threatened western regional interests.
2. DOesnt control any global oil, gas or maritime trade routes.
3. Gone Anti-west
4. Been developing a nuclear program that makes the west sleepless
5. Been working tirelessly on alternative global/regional systems to the western ones.
6. Developed any ideology/philosophy that can challenge the west.

So, NO! this is a horrible comparison. with regards to why no one has attacked Iran, proof speaks for itself - no attack on Iran DESPITE regional and global powers knowing (apparently) that Iran's airforce is "weak". LOL...If ITS SO WEAK, then go penetrate it then. weaklings get demoralized, because reality kills their fantasies.
 
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No, its because Malta hasnt:
1. Threatened western regional interests.
2. DOesnt control any global oil, gas or maritime trade routes.
3. Anti-west
4. Developing a nuclear program that makes the west sleepless
5. WOrking on alternative global/regional systems to the western ones.
6. Developed any ideology/philosophy that can challenge the west.

So, NO! this is a horrible comparison. with regards to why no one has attacked Iran, proof speaks for itself - no attack on Iran DESPITE regional and global powers knowing (apparently) that Iran's airforce is "weak". LOL...If ITS SO WEAK, then go penetrate it then. weaklings get demoralized, because reality kills their fantasies.
Feel free to believe what u like...I can only just say to read up on air forces around the world...and recent conflicts/wars around the world. U will find many examples of problems faced in terms of aircraft availability in high sortie rate...
...struggling to find repairs in absence of OEM support(despite indigenous efforts spanning decades).
U will also find examples of what happens to even the best of air defense systems of the defending side in absence of their own potent air force...
...along with other things about modern warfare...like how huge the RCS signature of F14 would be from long distances...especially for modern AWACS aircraft...that can guide BVRs fired by fighter jets that haven't even been detected yet(either due to stealth if US/NATO 5th gen) or bcuz of tactics like having their radar turned off(relying on AWACS).

These are just some of the things to take into consideration...thought I doubt this will change ur mind.
 

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Alright. But don't underestimate Iranian meticulous insight into the machine. Iran's been operating the F-14 longer than the US Navy, employing it extensively in war and knows it in and out. Then there's Iran's proficiency at engineering, which proved more than one contrarian estimate wrong. Personally, I'd wholeheartedly trust Iran's ability to keep the F-14 on a very dangerous level for any potential adversary. Iran pretty much indigenized that fighter jet over these four and a half decades.


that is why i still can not understand ..why did not Iranian reverese engineered the F14 and F4

F-4 could be reversed engineered in 1993-99 period with AL-21F4 Engines and ROSE I type Radar and ASpide Modification from Italy ..they could have done it.

F14 they could also reverse engineer it and start the production of there own.

I think they they long decided that the enemy they choose were the actual air powers so why invest in it..it will be turkey shoot. so invest in asymmetrical warfare and SSMs and SAMs.

Same with army let the tanks be they modify what they have purchased non..but invested in large number of MRLS and ATGMS

They unit subdivisions are also changes completely.
 

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that is why i still can not understand ..why did not Iranian reverese engineered the F14 and F4

F-4 could be reversed engineered in 1993-99 period with AL-21F4 Engines and ROSE I type Radar and ASpide Modification from Italy ..they could have done it.

F14 they could also reverse engineer it and start the production of there own.

I think they they long decided that the enemy they choose were the actual air powers so why invest in it..it will be turkey shoot. so invest in asymmetrical warfare and SSMs and SAMs.

Same with army let the tanks be they modify what they have purchased non..but invested in large number of MRLS and ATGMS

They unit subdivisions are also changes completely.
Well, you answered your own question. Considering that Iran's potential adversary in war would be the immensely more resourceful US regime / NATO and considering the latters' own doctrinal modus operandi, asymmetry was and is the only rational option to pursue. Hence why the bulk of investments in the realm of domestic defence industries went not into manned aircraft projects but into ballistic and cruise missiles, followed by air defences and UAV's, followed by anti-ship missiles, small fast attack craft and midget submarines, advanced naval mines, as well as certain infantry weapons like anti-tank missiles, anti-materiel rifles, enhanced variants of RPG rockets and so on.

And this strategy paid fully, seeing how it - along with some other criteria (namely Iran's extensive network of regional allies, its latent nuclear breakout capability provided by multiple hardened and geographically dispersed nuclear sites, the possibility to choke global oil supplies at the Strait of Hormoz, Isra"el"'s absence of strategic depth and subsequent vulnerability as well as the fact that western regimes would never compromise Tel Aviv's security, and last but not least Iran's very strong national cohesion in addition to the Islamic martyrdom culture deeply ingrained among religious Iranians) has deterred the enemy from launching all out military aggression.

As far as the Iranian air force and aircraft industries are concerned, with the limited budget available to them, they have achieved the significant feat of not just overhauling and keeping functional Iran's fleet of mostly western-made fighter jets for over 40 years in spite of the embargo on spare parts, but also upgrade their capabilities to more modern standards (see F-14AM program, Doran upgrade package for F-4, Su-22 modernization including sensors and ability to launch ballistic missiles, newly developed munitions and more). This is in addition to indigenous developments such as the domestically produced F-5 derivatives, trainers etc.
 
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Feel free to believe what u like...I can only just say to read up on air forces around the world...and recent conflicts/wars around the world. U will find many examples of problems faced in terms of aircraft availability in high sortie rate...
...struggling to find repairs in absence of OEM support(despite indigenous efforts spanning decades).
U will also find examples of what happens to even the best of air defense systems of the defending side in absence of their own potent air force...
...along with other things about modern warfare...like how huge the RCS signature of F14 would be from long distances...especially for modern AWACS aircraft...that can guide BVRs fired by fighter jets that haven't even been detected yet(either due to stealth if US/NATO 5th gen) or bcuz of tactics like having their radar turned off(relying on AWACS).

These are just some of the things to take into consideration...thought I doubt this will change ur mind.
The only reason i disagree with these your points is that you miss a KEY truth that affects what you're opinion is - Iran ALREADY has a large and functional airforce and the required support infrastructures...You think if you fly into Iranian airspacce no aircraft will confront you? YOu might listen to westerners too much, but having good aircraft alone isnt the only factor that determines how your airforce performs - Iran has aircraft , that might not be brand new, but they are threatening enough that foreign airforces dont joke with them, and pilot skill matters alot, it seems Iranian pilots are able to fly IRANIAN planes, with their corky upgrades and histories, quite well, so that is a threat. No American or NATO fighter aircraft will enter Iranian airspace unchallenged, and thats why its frustrating no other countries, not Pakistan, US, or UK, has flown manned aircraft into Iranian airspace- they will get tracked, followed and shot out if they dont land and surrender asap, thats fax for you!
 

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that is why i still can not understand ..why did not Iranian reverese engineered the F14 and F4

F-4 could be reversed engineered in 1993-99 period with AL-21F4 Engines and ROSE I type Radar and ASpide Modification from Italy ..they could have done it.

F14 they could also reverse engineer it and start the production of there own.

I think they they long decided that the enemy they choose were the actual air powers so why invest in it..it will be turkey shoot. so invest in asymmetrical warfare and SSMs and SAMs.

Same with army let the tanks be they modify what they have purchased non..but invested in large number of MRLS and ATGMS

They unit subdivisions are also changes completely.
There are two stages in reverse engineering. Am not saying this to be mean, but it sounds like you are not fully informed of what is involved.

The first stage is laboratory. Now the problems list begins. The first requirement is your top scientists and engineers, and their first task is to assess the technological differences between the device and the country's native level. They have to classify and quantify the differences. In disassembling the device, inevitably some components will be destroyed in the process and nothing must be discarded. The disassembly process must be rigidly controlled in both access and sequence, and everything must be recorded. The parts must be labeled in a coherent manner. Photos are actually superior to videos as photos are essentially frozen moments in time.

For example...Since this is an aircraft, there will be assorted liquids. Each type must be recorded as to have been extracted where. Oil sampling is critical because as a lubricant, oil travels to many components and will contain different materials so Materials Science have to classify the different materials found even down to the microscopic level. Oil viscosity is a clue to internal temperatures. Then there are fuels and greases to analyze and classify. If the country's native technology cannot break down and reveals the true characters of these liquids, mechanical components that uses inferior substitutes will fail catastrophically. For petroleum based liquids technology, we can be certain Iran's scientists and chemical engineers can handle this.

And since this is an aircraft, there are other issues like Aerodynamics, Airframe, Propulsion, Electrical and Electronics, Environmental for how to keep the aircrew alive, and many more. Each major area require its own dedicated team of specialists.

The second stage is manufacturing. Do not confuse this with production, which is mass manufacturing. Reverse engineering for manufacturing is when you attempt to build a native version of the device using native versions of the technologies found in the device. If you fail here, then there is no point in production, of course.

Do you have the tools? Or you may have to create the tools.

Native education level is critical because you cannot afford to 'educate up' your production workers. To 'educate up' is akin to teaching someone how to read/write, not the same as training a technician on how to use a new brand of meter or o-scope. The scientist, the engineer, and the technician all have the same base level of education and knowledge. The differences between them are depths of knowledge and specialization. But they can communicate between levels without difficulties.

Do you have the native physical resources to build a replica of the device? It is one thing to have a small quantity for experimentation at the laboratory level, it is another to have large quantity of the materials to compensate for issues like manufacturing errors or overhead, for examples. Do you have a steady supply of materials for mass manufacturing? Even though you are building an experimental model from native technologies, you are also building a foundation for mass manufacturing so it is necessary to consult with logistics experts to see if continuity is feasible.

So assuming that you satisfied both stages, the next step is functional testing of the device. In this case being an aircraft, it is the functional check flight (FCF). Do you have a test pilot? A test pilot is not the same as an front line operational pilot. A test pilot is essentially an engineer who just happened to know how to fly. A front line operational pilot is focused on the sortie mission while the test pilot is focused on the aircraft itself: how it performs or anomalies. You can look at it as externally or internally focused.

In the case of Iranian F-14, despite the decades passed, why are there no native F-14 ? That there have been no increase of the Iranian F-14 fleet hints at the probability, not possibility, that Iran failed at reverse engineering somewhere in either stages. Cannibalization and native manufacturing of discrete components can only support the fleet for so long. The smaller the fleet, the greater the cumulative airframe stresses because you are cannot dilute the flight hours. Every week/month/year, you have the same or even decreased number of airframes to support the same sortie requirements and every time a jet is flown, the pilot will strain the jet less and less in an effort to preserve the airframe.
 

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The only reason i disagree with these your points is that you miss a KEY truth that affects what you're opinion is - Iran ALREADY has a large and functional airforce and the required support infrastructures...You think if you fly into Iranian airspacce no aircraft will confront you? YOu might listen to westerners too much, but having good aircraft alone isnt the only factor that determines how your airforce performs - Iran has aircraft , that might not be brand new, but they are threatening enough that foreign airforces dont joke with them, and pilot skill matters alot, it seems Iranian pilots are able to fly IRANIAN planes, with their corky upgrades and histories, quite well, so that is a threat. No American or NATO fighter aircraft will enter Iranian airspace unchallenged, and thats why its frustrating no other countries, not Pakistan, US, or UK, has flown manned aircraft into Iranian airspace- they will get tracked, followed and shot out if they dont land and surrender asap, thats fax for you!
I figured u would just dig in deeper instead of careful consideration. It's important to learn during peacetime...it's important to analyze problems/failures faced by others(whether during peacetime or war/skirmish)...instead of waiting around until u run into that problem urself. This is what most proactive countries do around the world...
...but u can carry on believing what u like. End of debate.
 

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In 2013 The Aviationist released a plausible estimate of 60 units:
Says nothing about " plausible estimate of 60 units " ,

Kindly point out where exactly it says something like that.

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Says nothing about " plausible estimate of 60 units " ,

Kindly point out where exactly it says something like that.

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Linked to a wrong article from the same website. Here is the correct one (and it's from 2015 rather than 2013):


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Got misled by the fact that the part where it states Iran is believed to operate 60 F-14's, is hyperlinked to that other piece I had mistakenly shared.
 
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There are two stages in reverse engineering. Am not saying this to be mean, but it sounds like you are not fully informed of what is involved.

The first stage is laboratory. Now the problems list begins. The first requirement is your top scientists and engineers, and their first task is to assess the technological differences between the device and the country's native level. They have to classify and quantify the differences. In disassembling the device, inevitably some components will be destroyed in the process and nothing must be discarded. The disassembly process must be rigidly controlled in both access and sequence, and everything must be recorded. The parts must be labeled in a coherent manner. Photos are actually superior to videos as photos are essentially frozen moments in time.

For example...Since this is an aircraft, there will be assorted liquids. Each type must be recorded as to have been extracted where. Oil sampling is critical because as a lubricant, oil travels to many components and will contain different materials so Materials Science have to classify the different materials found even down to the microscopic level. Oil viscosity is a clue to internal temperatures. Then there are fuels and greases to analyze and classify. If the country's native technology cannot break down and reveals the true characters of these liquids, mechanical components that uses inferior substitutes will fail catastrophically. For petroleum based liquids technology, we can be certain Iran's scientists and chemical engineers can handle this.

And since this is an aircraft, there are other issues like Aerodynamics, Airframe, Propulsion, Electrical and Electronics, Environmental for how to keep the aircrew alive, and many more. Each major area require its own dedicated team of specialists.

The second stage is manufacturing. Do not confuse this with production, which is mass manufacturing. Reverse engineering for manufacturing is when you attempt to build a native version of the device using native versions of the technologies found in the device. If you fail here, then there is no point in production, of course.

Do you have the tools? Or you may have to create the tools.

Native education level is critical because you cannot afford to 'educate up' your production workers. To 'educate up' is akin to teaching someone how to read/write, not the same as training a technician on how to use a new brand of meter or o-scope. The scientist, the engineer, and the technician all have the same base level of education and knowledge. The differences between them are depths of knowledge and specialization. But they can communicate between levels without difficulties.

Do you have the native physical resources to build a replica of the device? It is one thing to have a small quantity for experimentation at the laboratory level, it is another to have large quantity of the materials to compensate for issues like manufacturing errors or overhead, for examples. Do you have a steady supply of materials for mass manufacturing? Even though you are building an experimental model from native technologies, you are also building a foundation for mass manufacturing so it is necessary to consult with logistics experts to see if continuity is feasible.

So assuming that you satisfied both stages, the next step is functional testing of the device. In this case being an aircraft, it is the functional check flight (FCF). Do you have a test pilot? A test pilot is not the same as an front line operational pilot. A test pilot is essentially an engineer who just happened to know how to fly. A front line operational pilot is focused on the sortie mission while the test pilot is focused on the aircraft itself: how it performs or anomalies. You can look at it as externally or internally focused.

In the case of Iranian F-14, despite the decades passed, why are there no native F-14 ? That there have been no increase of the Iranian F-14 fleet hints at the probability, not possibility, that Iran failed at reverse engineering somewhere in either stages. Cannibalization and native manufacturing of discrete components can only support the fleet for so long. The smaller the fleet, the greater the cumulative airframe stresses because you are cannot dilute the flight hours. Every week/month/year, you have the same or even decreased number of airframes to support the same sortie requirements and every time a jet is flown, the pilot will strain the jet less and less in an effort to preserve the airframe.
You make it more techincal , I simply show you what is really going on in Iran ...


I.R.I or Islamic State of Iran is not popular , 10 years ago we could start doing this but due the unpopular policies and corrupted tribal like management of country , there is mass migration from Iran , just last year 700,000 Iranians are migrated from Iran to other countries .... this year and next years statistics will be worth .... As a Software developer , I can see so many of my collegue are leaving Iran and me , as a developer with 7 years of exprience cant effort to send my daugther to kindergarden or change my cellphone , I already stop thinking about buying even small home with only one room ...

so , Iran right now cant even reverse engineering a simple car due to lake of Human resource and I.R.I ( I.S.I ) mismanagement ...

in fact , after 35 years , I.R.I couldn't event produce F5 ... I worked with some governmental organisation and I knew they just want to use budget and don't want any real result ....
 

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just last year 700,000 Iranians are migrated from Iran to other countries ....
That's wrong. In fact, 150 million Iranians emigrated during the past three weeks. Hadn't you heard?

so , Iran right now cant even reverse engineering a simple car due to lake of Human resource and I.R.I ( I.S.I ) mismanagement ...
Exactly. And all these state of the art, domestically designed and produced weapons systems we see pictures of shared here every other day (like the latest short range SAM's), are really made of plastic and cardboard. When they are shown performing successful tests, it's actually footage lifted from old Hollywood films that these incompetent mismanaging IRI goons spend their time watching. And the US not having dared to wage war on Iran to this day is because the two parties are "secretly allied under the table" and mullahs are in fact American-born Midwest farmers who altered their skin tone in covert underground tanning salons to them appear more Iranian and thereby fool the population...
 
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That's wrong. In fact, 150 million Iranians emigrated during the past three weeks. Hadn't you heard?



Exactly. And all these state of the art, domestically designed and produced weapons systems we see pictures of shared here every other day (like the latest short range SAM's), are really made of plastic and cardboard. When they are shown performing successful tests, it's actually footage from pre-Revolution era Hollywood films stolen by these incompetent mismanaging IRI goons. And the US not having dared to wage war on Iran to this day is because the two parties are "secretly allied under the table" and mullahs are in fact American-born, beer drinking Midwest farmers who altered their skin tone in secret underground tanning salons to mislead the good people and make them appear more Iranian.
maybe 700.000 wasn't correct , but the statisics is showing high rate of migration , which is draining human resource ...


That's wrong. In fact, 150 million Iranians emigrated during the past three weeks. Hadn't you heard?



Exactly. And all these state of the art, domestically designed and produced weapons systems we see pictures of shared here every other day (like the latest short range SAM's), are really made of plastic and cardboard. When they are shown performing successful tests, it's actually footage from pre-Revolution era Hollywood films stolen by these incompetent mismanaging IRI goons. And the US not having dared to wage war on Iran to this day is because the two parties are "secretly allied under the table" and mullahs are in fact American-born, beer drinking Midwest farmers who altered their skin tone in secret underground tanning salons to mislead the good people and make them appear more Iranian.
most of them are russians or chinese origin ... for example , Dezful is incomplete version Tor M1 ...
 

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