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Inter-racial marriage in China

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  1. Lux de Veritas

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    I will start with Uighur. Uygur-Han marriages is not common.

    Bride and prejudice: rare Uygur-Han marriages reflect ethnic tension in Chinese society | South China Morning Post

    It was not until late on her wedding day that Aygul told her parents she was even in a relationship. And they were furious.

    A year later, her Uygur father was still so angry she had chosen an ethnic Han Chinese husband he beat her up in a Beijing train station, stamping on her throat as he hurled insults.

    “They hounded me and demanded I choose: my mother and father or my husband,” said the 26-year-old website editor. “They told me I had to leave him.”

    Against a backdrop of prejudice and violence, inter-ethnic marriages between Uygurs, a mostly Muslim minority who speak a Turkic language, and China’s ethnic majority Han are extremely rare.

    Uygurs in their home region of Xinjiang have long chafed under Beijing’s yoke and say they face restrictions on religion, language and culture, with some yearning for independence.

    China counters it has brought development and raised living standards, blaming sporadic but intensifying violence that killed more than 200 last year on Islamist separatists with overseas connections.

    Official media have laboured to showcase Han-Uygur marriages, with couples singing the praises of the government and Communist Party, as a symbol of “ethnic unity”.

    The phrase is common on propaganda posters throughout Xinjiang, but such messages have to contend with centuries of division.

    “Since I was 12, my mother always told me: ‘Concentrate on your studies and don’t find a Han boyfriend’,” said Aygul. “But I was educated in a Chinese-language school and most of my classmates and friends were Han.”

    Her husband Xiaohe, a 30-year-old translator, had already given up pork, prohibited by Islam, and tried to make a good impression on her parents with a three-page handwritten letter in Uygur, without success.

    Ming, a Han married to Ahman, a Uygur woman from the oil town of Karamay, got a similar reaction the first time he spoke to her parents.

    “Her father told me: ‘If you are going to marry my daughter, then I’ll disown her’,” he said.

    His wife, who was attacked by a group of Uygur classmates as a teenager for having a previous Han boyfriend, said: “My parents see my marriage to a Han as a loss of face.”

    Uygur-Han marriages are largely confined to wealthier, more educated Uygurs, who often attend Mandarin-language schools and go to university outside Xinjiang, or the very poor, mainly from tight-knit farming communities where Han residents speak Uygur and share customs.

    Both sides often cite cultural or religious differences for the divide, but Newcastle University professor Joanne Smith Finley, a Uygur culture expert, said the true but unspoken issue is politics.

    “The number one reason for the taboo on inter-ethnic courtship and intermarriage is inter-ethnic conflict,” she said, adding that Uygur women married to Han men face the harshest ostracism due to the patriarchal nature of Islamic societies.

    “A Han Chinese man taking a Uygur woman as his wife is seen as symbolic invasion,” she explained.

    “Just as China is taking the oil, natural gas, gold and jade, and has reduced the people to a marginalised, impoverished and disenfranchised section of society in Xinjiang, when a Chinese man takes a Uygur wife, Uygurs view that as the physical embodiment of what China the state is doing to the Uyguur homeland.”

    Uygurs had the lowest intermarriage rate of China’s 56 officially recognised ethnic groups at 1 per cent, according to Xinjiang Academy of Social Sciences researcher Li Xiaoxia, who analysed the year 2000 census data. That fell to 0.6 perc ent for Uygur-Han unions.

    “There is huge difference between Uyghurs and Han in terms of culture and language,” she said, adding that more recent data showed little change. “People are prone to look for relationships with someone with the same ethnicity.”

    Yet the Hui, who like Uygurs are Muslim, have an intermarriage rate about 13 times higher, although they share a language and many more live in China’s heartland cities.

    The reaction of Ming’s parents was typical of how many Han view Uygurs, informed by stereotypes and casual racism.

    “My parents thought all Uygurs were pickpockets or scam artists selling so-called ethnic food for inflated prices,” said the 28-year-old, a manager at a state-owned company.

    Xiaohe’s parents, from the northern province of Hebei, were more positive. “At first my parents thought it was strange, but then they found out she graduated from Peking University”, an elite school often called the Harvard of China, he said.

    “They said: ‘Your grades were never that good and your wife is so smart, this is great’.”

    Ahman, Ming, Aygul and Xiaohe are members of a mixed couples chat group where they swap stories, tips and support.

    Their unions have only survived because they live in Beijing, they say.

    “It would be impossible for us to be married and live in Xinjiang,” said Xiaohe. “The social pressures are just too intense.”

    Some believe authorities in the region, home to about 10 million Uygurs, should act to encourage inter-ethnic marriages.

    But an almost year-long programme in rural Qiemo county that offered couples as much as 50,000 yuan (HK$63,000), a fortune where average income is less than US$3 a day, had no effect, according to an official.

    In neighbouring Hotan, many said cultural differences were insurmountable.

    “I would never let my son marry a Han, the only way would be if she converted to Islam,” said Uygur restaurateur Mehmet Omar. “Even then, I’d be worried she wouldn’t respect our traditions and wouldn’t take good care of my grandchildren. She would have to be a very good Muslim before I could accept her.”

    Taxi driver Xing Yongzhen said pork’s central place in Chinese cuisine would be a major issue.

    “I would only marry a Han,” he said. “If I had a Uygur wife, we’d never be able to eat together. Our lifestyles are completely different, there’s nothing in common.”
     
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    Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men. It is a very big sin in Islam if it happens. But if the husband is a Han Muslim so it is not a problem. I believe there are quite many Uigyur and Hui couple in China since they are both Muslim.
     
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    love always wins
     
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    This


    A muslim can marry any race of person in the world white, black or yellow as long as they are muslim

    This is so islam can be implemented in the house hold, islamic duties are fulfilled and muslim children are raised but ultimately because God forbid marriage to non muslims with the only exception being marriage to women of the book

    This


    A muslim can marry any race of person in the world white, black or yellow as long as they are muslim

    This is so islam can be implemented in the house hold, islamic duties are fulfilled and muslim children are raised but ultimately because God forbid marriage to non muslims with the only exception being marriage to women of the book
     
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    That's assuming that everyonr is religous. Some people are not religous but they don't marry because of ethnic reasons. I head that tajiks intermarry despite being muslims.
     
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    Unless the man converts to Islam right?
     
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    Yup, there is already an Indonesian-Pakistan-Arab blood women that I posted the photo here....... :partay:

    Well, for women of the book ( Christian and Jews ), it is only for the religious one I believe. Non-religious (liberal) Christian/ Jews women is prohibited to be married for some opinion (debatable). It is not like we dont like other people (non-Muslim), but it is because of what our God has ordered us.......

    Of course buddy.
     
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    Right again


    A women of the book = a women who follows the Torah or injeel/gospels/bible NOT a Christian or jewish women

    The difference is important both the Torah or bible have a list of demands on how a wife is supposed to live and behave these fall in line with the islsmic requirements and they already believe in the one true God hence it is allowed


    A nominal Christian or jew women if she dosent follow the bible or Torah is not a women of the book
     
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    There is a freedom for human to choose his/her own path, if she want to violate, so it is her responsibility, I believe Islam will give the freedom if she wants to do it, which is based on Quran (Al-Kafirun surah). The punishment in Islam only for those who violates other people right like killing, rapping, stealing, etc

    In Indonesia, if that happens so the marriage is written as illegal but she will not be sent to jail.

    Edit: I get it wrong, Muslim women if she wants to marry non-Muslim men, so she should change the religion first (my opinion), since the conduct can be considered as zinnah if she is still Muslim that will result in hard punishment. (it is for nation who uses Shariah Islam only ).

    If the women changes her faith for marrying a men, so this will make God very angry since she love the man more than her own God who created her. But no punishment in Shariah Islam if any one wants to change his/her faith from Islam into something else.
     
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    not really.
     
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    Let's just say you are an idiot, and a crass one at that, defining things as intimate at these, on non sense superstitions.

    Who is God?


    And who in this world has the power to decide what a woman does? Some idiot Mullah, or Pastor, who deliberately misleads people, and brainwashes them?


    I heard your "God" gave capital punishment for apostasy?
     
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    you think too much ..... just follow the book bro :cheesy: