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Intel: Why Armenia wants to make peace with Turkey

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  1. rajvoSa

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    Armenia’s reformist prime minister says he’s ready to establish relations with Turkey after his bloc won a landslide victory in Sunday’s parliamentary elections. Nikol Pashinian, a former journalist who was swept into power in May after leading mass protests that forced out his predecessor, said his government was ready to forge ties “without preconditions” with Armenia’s historic rival and hoped Ankara was ready to do the same.

    Why it matters: Pashinian, 43, won on a mandate of ending the rampant corruption, poverty and joblessness that have bedeviled the former Soviet state since its independence in 1991. Establishing diplomatic ties and reopening the border with Turkey would help ease the grip of the oligarchs who monopolize Armenia’s economy.

    More critically, it would strengthen Yerevan’s hand in talks to end the long-running conflict with neighboring Azerbaijan over the contested mountainous enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, an Armenian-majority region that Armenia wrested from Azerbaijan in 1993. Turkey sealed its border with Armenia in solidarity with its ethnic kin in Azerbaijan, which it had secretly armed throughout the conflict. Normalization with Turkey would also help offset Armenia’s dependence on Moscow and allow Azerbaijan to export gas to Europe via Armenia, a shorter and cheaper alternative to existing lines through Georgia.

    The Washington connection: Meanwhile, peace with Armenia would win Ankara much needed brownie points in Congress, where Turkey’s continued detention of US nationals and US Consulate employees, as well as its plans to buy Russian-made S-400 missiles, have triggered bipartisan fury. Both the Senate and the House are threatening a slew of sanctions. And long-touted congressional efforts to formally recognize the mass murder of more than a million Ottoman Armenians in 1915 as genocide would be even less likely to pass.

    Turkic solidarity: In an ideal world, Turkey would seize the olive branch being extended. But it has steadfastly refused to do so until Armenia makes peace with Azerbaijan, ceding at least some of the territories it seized around Nagorno-Karabakh. This was not always so. In 2009, Turkey and Armenia signed a set of Swiss-brokered protocols to establish diplomatic relations and eventually reopen their border. But no sooner had the ink dried that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, buckling to Azerbaijani pressure, did a U-turn, saying Armenia needed to make concessions on Nagorno-Karabakh first.

    Since then, "the ball squashed by pressure from Baku, has rested squarely in Ankara's court," said Khatchig Mouradian, a lecturer at Columbia University. He told Al-Monitor, “There is little faith in Yerevan that Turkey will decouple the normalization of relations with Armenia from the Karabakh conflict anytime soon.”

    What’s next: Erdogan continues to view Azerbaijan’s president, Ilham Aliyev, as a chief regional ally. In any case, Erdogan’s tactical partnership with Turkey’s ultra-nationalists make it highly unlikely that he will respond favorably to Pashinian. Russia, which thrives on regional divisions, will remain the big winner.

    - Amberin Zaman

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/12/intel-armenia-peace-turkey-pashinian-erdogan.html
     
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    I hope Turkey continues it's strict politics against Armenia.
     
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    We are both too stubborn to see the truth, which is a shame. I hope one day we will be friends again.
     
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    I hope that Azerbaijan and Armenia somehow reach an agreement. We would certainly benefit the most. Having said that, Azerbaijan comes first - no doubt. They have to decide at the end of the road.
     
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    Why?What is the benefit of Turkey in doing so?As far as I can see the only side profiting from this is Russia.
     
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    Armenians and the Greeks like the Hellenic institute trying to make thing similar to the Jewish lobby and they try to get more influence on American media and think tanks and universities


    So basically they are an enemy who use every chance to demonize turkey just like the Zionists are doing with anti Semitic card
     
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    Armenia is land locked and poor asf compared to Turkey and Azerbaijan I say Turkey would benefit from this from a economic standpoint but would require Turkey to mediate between Azerbaijan and Armenia

    Well Greece is a debt ridden EU country with smaller population just a big mouth
     
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    I call it a honest mistake given your flags, please be sure of the source next time.

    The background of this woman is not good given her love with PKK, FETÖ etc.

    So, I hope this thread for ''intel'' of such woman is not tolerated in this section.
     
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    True they were the elite of the Ottoman Empire as well as their Greek Cousins which is why the Turks kicked them out of Anatolia, I know many Armos nothing against them but the reason their country is irrelevant and poor asf is because they are landlocked and small whereas Turkey is large despite Erdogan the Georgian scum running it the economy of Turkey,its industry is way ahead of Armenia they need to get over 1915 and make amends or they will be a Russian base for 100 years more

    They are trying to make lobbies like the Jewish lobby. Armenians are trying the same
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Hellenic_Institute[/QUOTE]

    Its old news they been doing it since 1970s Greeks here in NYC are always bitching about the Turks and how they are ebil Izlamsits and shiettt
     
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    I am against all relations with Armenia unless they return the territories they occupy in Azerbaijan. That is the first step they have to make and then we can talk.

    Armenia is just too small and unimportant for Turkey so it’s not worth it to risk the relationship with Azerbaijan for some fake friendship and warming relationships.
     
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    I think turkey would be better if the Armenians and Greeks stayed because historically when the nomads Turks came to Anatolia they learned a lot from them like ship buildings,architecture and many thinks

    Because of politics turkey lost its Armenian educated population the same way Poland lost its Jewish population
     
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    Gets the Russian bear away from Anatolia but I agree Armenia is toor poor and not relevant whereas Azerbaijan has oil and gas

    well the early 1900s was the time of extreme ultra nationalism plus they were the elite of the decadent Ottoman Empire
     
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    doesnt metter, there are some valid points there when you peel away her bias. When the was last time Armenian premier offered something like this...
    Ist intreresting prospect, if Turkey could menage to play a role of pieacemaker between those 2 countries. It would be greate economicly for everyone involved and geopoliticly. I think that soon Iranians will be main concern fom bros there, not Armenia. And turskih profile and influence would get a huge boost. But, hey, thats just my opp.
     
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    The average Turk cares about Azerbaijan and loves it’s people not because they have lot’s of oil and gas but because they are our brothers. One people - Two states.

    But even if Turkey and Armenia open their border and start diplomatic and economic relations this won’t keep Russians out of the region. Nobody can take them out of their base in Gyumri... not even Armenians.
     
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    Taleban, Al-Qaeda, PKK, FETÖ, ASALA, DHKPC etc, are all very different terrorist organisations, but all have maybe one thing in common, which is human values used as cause for their actions.

    To make it clearer and simpler; Saying the Islam is the only true religion does make the sentence valid, but does not make the person or group(Taleban, FETÖ) legit and whitewash the past actions of them... just like USA bringing ''democracy'' into Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

    Similarly, Her penetrative ''valid'' points does not make her legit, just to buy some credibility before the agenda expressed in the following paragraph; otherwise no point having honor, dignity, law-abided, patriot etc.

    In short, Do not let such people and groups use you and your values for their own agenda.
     
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