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Going by this logic, India does not have nuclear weapons, because it was never announced with noise. Neither does India have strategic ballistic missiles, because there was no big ceremony IPL style. Please do not let your politics start clouding judgements.
Arihant is no nuclear weapon itself, it is mere platform to launch nuclear missiles, those that can even be launched from Scorpene types too. Why making it a big deal to hide the basic deficiencies within? Scorpene (nuke capable) missiles launches are publicized but not otherwise?

Indian Navy Fires Anti-Ship Missile From Attack Sub in Arabian Sea ...

India-made Scorpene Submarine Test-fires Missile - News18

The world knows India has nuclear weapons after several detonations publicized and even responded to foreign media after their queries.

So your point just became as worthless as a shipyard in Afghanistan.
 

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Arihant is no nuclear weapon itself, it is mere platform to launch nuclear missiles, those that can even be launched from Scorpene types too. Why making it a big deal to hide the basic deficiencies within? Scorpene (nuke capable) missiles launches are publicized but not otherwise?

Indian Navy Fires Anti-Ship Missile From Attack Sub in Arabian Sea ...

India-made Scorpene Submarine Test-fires Missile - News18

The world knows India has nuclear weapons after several detonations publicized and even responded to foreign media after their queries.

So your point just became as worthless as a shipyard in Afghanistan.
Couple of factual errors in your argument.

1. India does not have nuclear tipped cruise missiles. At-least going by your logic, because it's not been announced. And we have not tested nuclear tipped cruise missiles. So your logic again fails.

2. The world knows India has nuclear weapons after several detonations = INS Arihant was commissioned and news was publicized by no less than the Hindu. So the Hindu is lying?

3. By the way, are you aware we also do not have free fall nuclear devices, because it has never been announced through a live event with 10 dancers and a song.

See how your logic fails? A story posted by the Hindu and carried by other media agencies is worth more than your tinted views.

A bit of advice, please carry on with your political commenting, it is your right. But please do it in relevant threads. This is thread is not for Rahul bashing or Modi bashing.
 

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But there was a ceremony for the PM to 'officially' commission it. If it was secret, shouldn't it be kept in the dark?
It seems they want to take you for a ride.

When the same sub was launched there was a ceremony open to media.

PM launches INS Arihant in Visakhapatnam - Times of India
timesofindia.indiatimes.com ›
Jul 26, 2009 - India becomes the sixth nation to join the elite A-league as Manmohan Singh formallylaunched the indigenously-built nuclear-powered ...

It is already clear that India BECAME the sixth nation then.
But now that the watercraft is sick with disease, they want to hide it with several pretexts.

Couple of factual errors in your argument.

1. India does not have nuclear tipped cruise missiles. At-least going by your logic, because it's not been announced. And we have not tested nuclear tipped cruise missiles. So your logic again fails.
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India is not showing any nation whether they have mated their missiles with nuclear warheads.
The general tendency is to declare them discreetly as nuclear capable missiles.
The conventional wisdom = Being nuclear capable.
Keep them guessing.

You can put anything of yours in my mouth, but I am not chewing.

You tried you failed.
 

surya kiran

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It seems they want to take you for a ride.

When the same sub was launched there was a ceremony open to media.

PM launches INS Arihant in Visakhapatnam - Times of India
timesofindia.indiatimes.com ›
Jul 26, 2009 - India becomes the sixth nation to join the elite A-league as Manmohan Singh formallylaunched the indigenously-built nuclear-powered ...

It is already clear that India BECAME the sixth nation then.
But now that the watercraft is sick with disease, they want to hide it with several pretexts.



India is not showing any nation whether they have mated their missiles with nuclear warheads.
The general tendency is to declare them discreetly as nuclear capable missiles.
The conventional wisdom = Being nuclear capable.
Keep them guessing.

You can put anything of yours in my mouth, but I am not chewing.

You tried you failed.
Let me get this. So when the nuclear bombs were exploded but never commissioned its ok to believe that we have nuclear bombs. But, when the INS Arihant is launched and its announced that its been commissioned its not ok to believe. I am only using your logic here. There is no place for 'general tendency' till it is proven beyond doubt with an event and a photo op that its there. So we have no nuclear bombs.

Now, coming to the point of Arihant having flaws, yes it does. But that does not mean its not commissioned. Which is what you are saying.

Yes, I may be failing but then its due to using your logic. Piece of advice, think logically before posting the next time.
 

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Let me get this. So when the nuclear bombs were exploded but never commissioned its ok to believe that we have nuclear bombs. But, when the INS Arihant is launched and its announced that its been commissioned its not ok to believe. I am only using your logic here. There is no place for 'general tendency' till it is proven beyond doubt with an event and a photo op that its there. So we have no nuclear bombs.

Now, coming to the point of Arihant having flaws, yes it does. But that does not mean its not commissioned. Which is what you are saying.
Do you know the naval term commissioning in its real sense or you are here to ridicule yourself?

Ship commissioning is the act or ceremony of placing a ship in active service.

Are the bombs commissioned? Which country commissions bombs?
Lol

I give up.
I have to Ignore you from here onwards.
 

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Do you know the naval term commissioning in its real sense or you are here to ridicule yourself?

Ship commissioning is the act or ceremony of placing a ship in active service.

Are the bombs commissioned? Which country commissions bombs?
Lol

I give up.
I have to Ignore you from here onwards.
So when a newspaper, which by the way is The Hindu and not ToI reports that its commissioned, it means its not commissioned and is lying.

It was nice of you to tell me what commissioning is. Very enlightening. And ignoring me is not going to stop from proving you absolutely dumb logic where we are supposed to believe you instead of the entire media.

Let's do one thing. Show me one comment from a Congress spokesperson or former Congress minister on the record questioning the commissioning.
 

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HT = Hindustan times was the only daring newspaper which came out with a remarkable news about Indian's first nuclear powered submarine being sick with various kinds of disease.

HT = Hindustan times was the only daring newspaper which printed shri Ram Jethmalani's article, which no other media out there was ready to print, owing to Amit Shah's threats.

And guess what.
It (the alleged anti national HT) got sold out to Mukesh Ambani all of a sudden for a hefty price of billion dollar US, who borrowed the money from Indian banks as ever and closed the deal.

This is how Modi's India functions secretly.
What is the procedure or a definition of a submarine being operational?

INS which stands for ‘Indian Naval Ship’ is affixed to a ship only after it is inducted into service.
Which is not even the case for this submarine, simply because it is not inducted into service.

How many missiles have been fired by this submarine so far?
NONE!
Recently build Kalaveri class did it, which is a standard:

Indian Navy Fires Anti-Ship Missile From Attack Sub in Arabian Sea ...

India-made Scorpene Submarine Test-fires Missile - News18

In fact the story is real different from what Indians want you to believe.

The Reliance media says the it was Modi who did commission the watercraft as in the following:
In February 2016, India’s 1st indigenously built nuclear armed submarine INS Arihant was declared as ready for operations. In August 2016, Prime Minister Modi had quietly commissioned INS Arihant into the Indian Navy and since then it is fully-operational.
But look at the alternative news from the respectful newspaper "The Hindu".

INS Arihant was formally commissioned by Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba in August, defence sources confirmed to The Hindu on Monday. The issue was reported earlier in the day by TV channel NewsX.
So who do you believe?
Certainly not Indian government.
 

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But look at the alternative news from the respectful newspaper "The Hindu".



So who do you believe?
Certainly not Indian government.
So you are saying the Arihant is commissioned? Unlike earlier that it was not.

@Han Patriot now we can safely say that it has been commissioned since the nay sayer agrees it has been commissioned.
 
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INS Arihant has been long commissioned and is functioning as per its technical expectations. INS Aridhaman has been floated out as well. :angel:.

Also, INS Arihant for all intent and purpose is a TD.

There is no need for news, media or anyone to report this.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: What’s New In India’s Nuclear Submarine Program?
With heightened buzz from India’s nuclear submarine nursery over the imminent launch of the country’s second nuclear-powered ballistic missile boat Aridhaman, we caught up with the journalist who first revealed the contours of the n-sub program and the strategic weapons India is building with it. Here’s India Today executive editor Sandeep Unnithan in an exclusive conversation with Livefist’s Shiv Aroor providing the latest detailed overview of where things stand.
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/09/exclusive-whats-up-in-indias-nuclear-submarine-program.html
 

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NEW DELHI, October 14, 2017 20:55 IST
Updated: October 15, 2017 07:14 IST

Blue power: The nuclear-powered INS Arihant is seen off Visakhapatnam in this file photo.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a-bigger-nuclear-submarine-is-coming/article19862549.ece


After INS Aridhaman, focus will be on more potent version.

India’s second strategic nuclear submarine Aridhaman is just a few weeks from sea launch. But raising ambitions for the Navy’s capability, there are plans to build a bigger and more potent version of the indigenous nuclear submarine in the immediate future, say sources.

That leap for India’s ballistic nuclear submarine capabilities would come with the fourth submarine planned in the same class, named S4-Star. It would have a stronger weapons configuration integrated into an extra compartment that would be added to Arihant’s original design.

On the Aridhaman, sources said the “final checks are under way. All the three modules have been integrated. It is likely to be launched in late November,” an official source told The Hindu. Another source said a November launch may be difficult, but “in December, it will definitely be in the sea.”

Fuel loading in the nuclear reactor for Aridhaman was completed in January, but it would go critical only much later after initial sea trials. Once launched, the submarine will be put to extensive harbour and sea trials, before being formally commissioned in the next couple of years.

The indigenously built second nuclear submarine will add to India’s growing nuclear capabilities, in the face of the new strategic realities of the region, including the assertive Chinese naval presence in the Indian Ocean.

Last October, India commissioned its first Ballistic Nuclear Submarine, INS Arihant. The vessel, weighing 6,000 tonnes, is powered by an 83 MW pressurised light water nuclear reactor.


Aridhaman, of the Arihant class, will carry several new pieces of equipment including new-generation sensors and periscope, compared to the first ship.

Construction of the third submarine of the same class is under way in four different parts, and could be completed approximately in a year. This would also be of the same size as Arihant and Aridhaman, but possess more advanced weapons and sensors. The third submarine is planned for launch in late 2018.

As soon as Aridhaman is launched, the final integration of the third submarine will begin in Visakhapatnam, it is learnt.

Indigenous capability

The project to build a strategic nuclear submarine to carry nuclear missiles began as the Advanced Technology Vessel project in the 1980s, and the vessel project was launched in 2009 by Dr. Manmohan Singh.

Arihant, which can carry nuclear tipped ballistic missiles, is of the ship submersible ballistic nuclear class.
 

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Indian nuclear submarine was crippled for ten months after water flooded in when sailor ‘forgot to close the HATCH’
  • The ballistic-missile sub called INS Arihant suffered major damage back in 2016
  • She was sat in Visakhapatnam harbour when a crew member left the door open
  • Saltwater rushed in and flooded the vessel, damaging the interior and her pipes
  • The extensive repair work took almost a year to complete on the £2billion sub
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A £2billion Indian nuclear submarine was crippled for ten months after water flooded it when a sailor allegedly forgot to close the hatch.

The ballistic-missile sub called INS Arihant suffered 'major damage' not long after it was commissioned in 2016.

While sat in the Visakhapatnam harbour on the country's east coast, the trap door was left open by one of the crew and water rushed inside.



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The ballistic-missile sub called INS Arihant (pictured in 2014) suffered 'major damage' not long after it was commissioned in 2016



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Saltwater had to be pumped out of the vessel and damaged pipes had to be cut out and replaced.


The extensive repairs on the submarine designed to carry a floating stock of nuclear weapons took almost a year.

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In its coverage of the bizarre incident The Hindu said: 'Arihant’s propulsion compartment was damaged after water entered it.

'A naval source said water rushed in as a hatch on the rear side was left open by mistake while it was at harbor.'

How such a simple mistake could have occurred on one of the crown jewels of the Indian military has left experts scratching their heads.

Popular Mechanics reported on the incident, saying: 'As the star of the Indian Navy, Arihant should have attracted the best submariners India had to offer, which makes this accident all the more baffling.'



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