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The only Country that doesn't really fear China in ASEAN is Indonesia. There is no inferiority complex with Indonesia. They are proud people.

Indonesia is on it's territories and securing it's territorial water.
 
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Weird, Indonesia is pulling all the stops to get on China's radar for some reason. Usually, a smaller country avoids attracting attention when an issue isn't too related to them. China doesn't even claim Natunas, but Indonesia seems itching to give it away.

We shouldn't deny gifts. It would be a good location to re-establish the Lanfang Chinese Republic. All the displaced Chinese diaspora in Indonesia would need a new place to settle in case of war.


Over a billion Muslims and you repeatedly got your *** handed to you by Israel with 5 million Jews. You fight as good as a gay barista at Starbucks.

Good luck that your Jihad. We'll make sure to bury you with your pork stuffed anus pointing towards Mecca.
Interesting, that many people know the history about Lanfang Republic.
The first Sovereign Republic state in South East Asia

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Very very interesting, my friend @S10 you know about that part of history :-)

Right now Western Kalimantan still have the Largest of Chinese-Indonesian population there. I heard, some of them also migrate to Temasik (Known today as Singapore) after Dutch conquest.

Indeed, a very interesting history
 
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Ironically, you owed that to the very country you bash every day.
I disagree with your statement.

The one that Chinese people owed in their survival fight against Japanese invader.
Is the CHINESE PEOPLE itself and their own sacrifice.

Chinese people fighting alone in WW2 for more 10 years (1931-1941) before US join WW2.
And after that, they basically fighting alone.
Unlike Ally in europe, Military Equipment send to the Chinese are very limited.
From 1942–1944, 98 percent of all US lend lease to China went directly to US Army units in China, not the Chinese military.
"The Hump"


Only after 1945, many surplus US equipment goes to Chinese KMT troops to fight in Civil War (1945-1949)
 

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I disagree with your statement.

The one that Chinese people owed in their survival fight against Japanese invader.
Is the CHINESE PEOPLE itself and their own sacrifice.

Chinese people fighting alone in WW2 for more 10 years (1931-1941) before US join WW2.
And after that, they basically fighting alone.
Unlike Ally in europe, Military Equipment send to the Chinese are very limited.
From 1942–1944, 98 percent of all US lend lease to China went directly to US Army units in China, not the Chinese military.
"The Hump"


Only after 1945, many surplus US equipment goes to Chinese KMT troops to fight in Civil War (1945-1949)
The fighting part no doubt, but you cant deny that the winning part is due to US and allied forces tying down the Japs elsewhere. The reason why China fought and largerly lost to Japan before US entry into the war was because Japan was able to pull its resources for its conquest in China. China didnt Win alone and by itself you know.
 

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The fighting part no doubt, but you cant deny that the winning part is due to US and allied forces tying down the Japs elsewhere. The reason why China fought and largerly lost to Japan before US entry into the war was because Japan was able to pull its resources for its conquest in China. China didnt Win alone and by itself you know.
US fighting mostly IJN, meanwhile large chunk of IJA still on Chinese land. Tied down by Chinese Guerrila warfare (Communist Forces) and Conventional Major Battle (Nationalist KMT Forces).

After taking Wuhan in 1938, japan advance successfully halted by Chinese Troops in 1939 around Changsa. That's still more than 2 years before US entered the war.

In 1939, Chinese Forces WIN 5 Major Battles (Battle of Changsa, Battle of Suixian-Zaoyang, Battle of South Guangxi, Battle of Kunlun Pass, and Battle of Wuyuan) from 10 Major battles happen in 1939.

In 1940 also, Chinese Troops WIN 2 Major Battles (Hundred Regiments Offensive, and Central Hubei Operation) out of 4 Major Battles happen in that year.

Even in 1941, Chinese Troops WIN 4 out of 5 Major Battles happen that year (Battle of South Henan, Western Hubei Operation, Battle of Shanggao, and Battle of Changsa 1941)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_engagements_of_the_Second_Sino-Japanese_War

And all that happen before US entered the war
 

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The fighting part no doubt, but you cant deny that the winning part is due to US and allied forces tying down the Japs elsewhere. The reason why China fought and largerly lost to Japan before US entry into the war was because Japan was able to pull its resources for its conquest in China. China didnt Win alone and by itself you know.
It's not about WWII topic, so I shortly reply this. You carefully study Japan islands social, economy , people living situation after 1937. Their people start to starve, all industry shut down except military.
Japan actually could't last longer the complete war with China after 4 years struggle. They pay huge money for the war everyday, they lost lives everyday during flight, but they can't get something from China. Their failure in China is determined from the beginning. This is why they transfer to South Asia later, for materials such Vietnam rice, Brunei oil and Dutch rubber.
 

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The fighting part no doubt, but you cant deny that the winning part is due to US and allied forces tying down the Japs elsewhere. The reason why China fought and largerly lost to Japan before US entry into the war was because Japan was able to pull its resources for its conquest in China. China didnt Win alone and by itself you know.

Should be like that, because it was allies that won the WW2, not China alone or US alone.
I disagree with your statement.

The one that Chinese people owed in their survival fight against Japanese invader.
Is the CHINESE PEOPLE itself and their own sacrifice.

Chinese people fighting alone in WW2 for more 10 years (1931-1941) before US join WW2.
And after that, they basically fighting alone.
Unlike Ally in europe, Military Equipment send to the Chinese are very limited.
From 1942–1944, 98 percent of all US lend lease to China went directly to US Army units in China, not the Chinese military.
"The Hump"


Only after 1945, many surplus US equipment goes to Chinese KMT troops to fight in Civil War (1945-1949)

Yes, but if US did not get involved, we can't say that China would finally make Japan surrender right?

The fact Japan military force was stronger and more modern compared to China's military force at that time, apart from the strategy applied. So we should admit the win was win of allies rather than a country over Japanese aggression.
 
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Interesting, that many people know the history about Lanfang Republic.
The first Sovereign Republic state in South East Asia

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Very very interesting, my friend @S10 you know about that part of history :-)

Right now Western Kalimantan still have the Largest of Chinese-Indonesian population there. I heard, some of them also migrate to Temasik (Known today as Singapore) after Dutch conquest.

Indeed, a very interesting history
This is interesting.
 

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Look at these CIA paid dogs trying to start shit with China.
Why does Indonesia securing it's waters have to be a conspiracy against you. You think you have some impunity entering into others sovereign boundaries. Are the chinese border guards CIA paid for securing their sovereign borders? China won't be able to venture into others territorial waters especially Indonesia and Australia
 

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Why does Indonesia securing it's waters have to be a conspiracy against you. You think you have some impunity entering into others sovereign boundaries. Are the chinese border guards CIA paid for securing their sovereign borders?
now it's the Malaysians.
 

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Should be like that, because it was allies that won the WW2, not China alone or US alone.



Yes, but if US did not get involved, we can't say that China would finally make Japan surrender right?

The fact Japan military force was stronger and more modern compared to China's military force at that time, apart from the strategy applied. So we should admit the win was win of allies rather than a country over Japanese aggression.
Yes, China cannot bomb tokyo at that time. But Japan also cannot take down China. Because China too big for them to conquer.

A stalemate for next 10 years, yes I'm agree.
But after that Japan still cannot take over whole China, and will pull back their troops to Manchuria.

You need to know, that in 1937 Japan's economy are on dire situation. With defence spending (War with China) eat almost 50% of their whole GDP every year. The war with China is Unsustainable for them.

Soon or later they will pull out all of their troops from China, with or without US entering the war.



This is interesting.
Indeed, very interesting one @Place Of Space
They are crazy claiming 90% of the sea.. There is international waters law setting boundaries for a reason and mostly entering other nations sovereign water boundaries
When China landed on those islands, and their Navy Patrolling the waters (SCS).

Those nations still life in the jungle and killing each other.

Read more book, instead trolling and barking in here
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Naval forces of the Song State of the Southern Dynasties (420–479 CE) patrolled the Paracel and Spratly islands.
In the Tang dynasty (618–907 CE), the islands were placed under the administration and authority of the Qiongzhou Perfecture (now Hainan Province).
 
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it's not us who in early 2020, just came out of nowhere with Coast guards and trawlers in the Natuna waters.

in fact it's china who's always wanted to be on the radar, from the Himalayas, Senkaku, Taiwan, Natuna, Scarborough shoal etc.

lolz
While China doesn't claim Natunas, your claimed EEZ extends into our Nine Dash Line. Your navy and coast guard ships had repeatedly harassed our fishermen. Since you're now equating Natunas with actual territorial disputes, you're saying China has a claim now?

Thank you. You're too kind. We'll keep that in mind for the future.
 

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While China doesn't claim Natunas, your claimed EEZ extends into our Nine Dash Line. Your navy and coast guard ships had repeatedly harassed our fishermen. Since you're now equating Natunas with actual territorial disputes, you're saying China has a claim now?

Thank you. You're too kind. We'll keep that in mind for the future.
The UN doesn't recognize the 9DL.
 

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