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I see.. so this technology security office is only to handle matters related to ToT and not for the purchase or usage of the equipment... I guess it's a relief somewhat.. If for any reason we still can't or won't set up such office, then we can still get it, just not the ToT... If that's the case, I believe we should negotiate with the Koreans to have the ToT for tech that's off limits to us transferred to other items that we are allowed to... or increase the workshare for other parts of the jet to us...

I support us setting up a tech security office with the US to enable us to receive ToT from the US, but NOT at any cost... if, for example, one of the conditions from the US is for us to abandon and forbid the use of Huawei 5G tech and equipment in Indonesia, then I think it's unacceptable...
You speculate too far here, I am not informed such thing is exist. What I sense from my conversatuon is that the blame should be directed toward us, not USA.

As we know some attempt to stop the program has been done since this administration, starting from forgetting to pay and follow with renegotiation, reducing the number of plane being bought, ridiculous demand on renegotiation during Wiranto handling, and black campaign by one Indonesian official.

What is said by AH some time ago, there are Indonesian official who want this program being stopped and there are officials who want to continue.

I hope Jokowi is clever to understand the situation and AlhamduliLLAH as we know currently the tendency is to continue the program in which some of the engineers have been sent back to Korea.
 

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I also need to say that Indonesian KFX/IFX engineers are supporting the project regardless some problem.

Very senior engineer and junior level engineers are supporting the program. They say the program is very important to excell our aerospace industry.

That is the opinions coming from design engineers that understand the development process happening in Korea.
 
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You speculate too far here, I am not informed such thing is exist. What I sense from my conversatuon is that the blame should be directed toward us, not USA.

As we know some attempt to stop the program has been done since this administration, starting from forgetting to pay and follow with renegotiation, reducing the number of plane being bought, ridiculous demand on renegotiation during Wiranto handling, and black campaign by one Indonesian official.

What is said by AH some time ago, there are Indonesian official who want this program being stopped and there are officials who want to continue.

I hope Jokowi is clever to understand the situation and AlhamduliLLAH as we know currently the tendency is to continue the program in which some of the engineers have been sent back to Korea.
Well.. it's speculation indeed... and you are right that it could've simply been due to our own incompetence or negligence that we haven't setup such a tech security office here... but on the other hand, there could also be valid reasons on why we can't or won't setup such an office or agreement here... yet...

As we all know, the US is very strict in guarding its technology, so we can be sure they also have very strict requirements and conditions regarding tech transfers and ToT... it's highly possible that some of those clauses and conditions are simply not acceptable to us and that's the reason why we still haven't setup such office even though the US has requested it...

That being said, I truly hope we stick with this project and eventually manufacture KFX locally... but if this ToT issue is not resolved, and we don't want to setup a tech security office here either.. then some other compromise or solution needs to be found if we were to continue with this project...
 

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Well.. it's speculation indeed... and you are right that it could've simply been due to our own incompetence or negligence that we haven't setup such a tech security office here... but on the other hand, there could also be valid reasons on why we can't or won't setup such an office or agreement here... yet...

As we all know, the US is very strict in guarding its technology, so we can be sure they also have very strict requirements and conditions regarding tech transfers and ToT... it's highly possible that some of those clauses and conditions are simply not acceptable to us and that's the reason why we still haven't setup such office even though the US has requested it...

That being said, I truly hope we stick with this project and eventually manufacture KFX locally... but if this ToT issue is not resolved, and we don't want to setup a tech security office here either.. then some other compromise or solution needs to be found if we were to continue with this project...
The TOT that we are discussing is TOT from F 35 and possibly F 22 as well, thousands of pages regarding this has been promised to be given to SK as their F 35 deal with South Korea.

While other TOT not regarding to that and legally owned by South Korea that is related to their expertise in producing F 16, T 50 Golden Eagle and their knowledge and experience in designing T 50 Golden Eagle with Lockheed Martin is 70 % shared to Indonesia engineers according to Indonesian senior KFX/IFX engineer who really understand the program.

While other TOT that is not shared and related to F 35 program have actually been implemented into KF21/IFX. Senior Indonesian engineer said despite the hinder on getting that particular technology, but as engineer he said Indonesian engineer still has some kind of capability to get some of the technology by learning by themselves as they are also KF 21 developer
 

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Bhai can you explain in detail what will Indonesia learn by 20 percent stake in KFX? How much this will lift Indonesian aerospace industry?
1. Experience in designing and developing a Stealth jet fighter. Previously Dirgantara Indonesia only has experience in designing a transport aircraft. 116 Indonesian design engineers now have the experience on designing a Stealth fighter jet. This will also make the engineers have more capability if someday Wingman drone or maybe fighter drone program are being pursue.

If we keep being in the program, it means we will get more knowledge during the testing phase and also during operational inshaAllah as we will get 1 prototype to be made in Indonesia and also other data during the testing stage of 7 prototypes tested in KAI will also be shared to DI. More understanding will be gained to see the comparison between wind tunnel testing and real flight.

2. In production DI also will gain more knowledge on new manufacturing method and will start using robotic system

3. In testing phase, DI will learn a lot as it is the first time they are doing testing for jet fighter, both for ground and flight test, and it is not just a fighter program but Stealth one. About 6 test pilots have been prepared, where one of them coming from DI design engineer ( who have learn to fly jet fighter) while 5 comes from Air Force pilot where they have got Aerospace degree from ITB and all of them have studied in England to be fighter test pilot. In essence, we are building capacity to be able to build Stealth fighter by our own, without a partner like the way DI develop N 250. N2130, and N 219 and together with other national companies and research agency develop MALE UCAV.

4. This project will make Indonesia Aerospace will produce jet fighter and it means in the future this line of business will likely to continue, just like our transport program which keep making newer plane. KF 21/IFX is also keep being developed into 6 generation fighter based on latest news (previously the program is to make the plane until block 3). This make the industry has more products, that is good for their business

5. I would say this program will also push DI to produce more planes within a year and give them more profit that will make their business more profitable. As Indonesia is expected to have Essential Force program after Minimum Essential Force is possibly completed in 2029, thus more planes will likely be bought ( if the program is inshaAllah successful), I would say we could buy around 200 planes, not mentioning if we also develop Wingman drone. It can potentially give Dirgantara Indonesia secured income and sales for quite long time

6. As DI has 1 prototype as experimental plane, so this prototype will make the engineers has some kind of vehicle to do various test that can excel their understanding and expertise in fighter jet design and also system integration. The prototype also possibly become the vehicle to get many knowledge on avionics and other components by using reverse engineering method and this of course will have to include other companies with expertise in electronics, engine, and other

7. It give better brand image on DI and this can effect their business in term of getting more support from leasing companies/banking system on their transport plane business, which mean their customer will get easier and cheaper financing from the leasing/banking industry

8. Base on recent renegotiation, DI will not only participate in fuselage manufacturing of all KF21/IFX and assembling of IFX, but also component in cockpit and engine. DI also has a subsidiary company who specialize in turbine manufacturing and engine MRO. That is the plan from Habibie from the start where in the future this company (PT Nusantara Turbin dan Propulsi) should make jet engine
 
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@Lego Jangkar

Malaysian like you who hide your identity as Indonesian should make a comment on this...


As you are a Malay Malaysian who hate Chinese ethnic and has been busted by me by making negative comment on native Indonesian, maybe you have opinion on this thing.

With your childish behavior making ha ha in my post and any positive thing about Indonesia, you should be ashame of your behavior as you have already been 28 years old. You have been making this for more than 2 months after I busted you down play native Indonesian in one thread LOL

NB: I have seen you put 2 Malaysian flag after I busted you as Malaysian, but change again to use Indonesia as origin and Malaysia as your place. Your behavior here is talk bad about Chinese and using Indonesian flag has intention to attack Indonesian. Be brave as you are Malay Malaysian, why dont you face those Chinese who like to play down your people in PDF ?
 

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Opinion piece written by Alman Helvas


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Foreign Debt Expenditure on Defense and Security Technology

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Crewmen of French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle stand on deck next of Rafale fighter jets, off the coast of the city of Hyeres, southern France, Thursday, Jan.  23, 2020. France deploys the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier for a three-month mission to support International military operations in the Middle East, French President Emmanuel Macron said.  (Philippe Lopez/Pool Photo via AP)

Photo: Rafale fighter jet. (Philippe Lopez/Pool Photo via AP)

In the list of weapons purchase plans proposed by the Ministry of Defense (Kemenhan) to the Ministry of National Development Planning/Bappenas to be part of the revised List of Medium-Term Foreign Loan Plans 2020-2024, a geopolitical approach is illustrated. This can be seen from the proposed acquisition of Rafale fighter aircraft made by Dassault Aviation France as many as 36 units and 24 F-15EXs produced by Boeing in the United States (US). The option to procure weapons from the US is not as much as defense equipment from Europe, but the acquisition is still strategic for Indonesia in maintaining a balance in its relationship with the two Trans Atlantic powers.

The US is one of the sources of procurement of Indonesian weapons related to aerospace products, especially transport aircraft and fighter aircraft. In the Minimum Essential Force (MEF) phase II in 2014-2019, Indonesia spent around US$500 million through the direct commercial sales scheme.using Foreign Loans (PLN) from a syndicate of one of the state-owned banks and financial institutions from France. While in the MEF phase III in 2020-2024, the F-15EX is the main target for Jakarta's weapons acquisition from Washington DC, but the funding scheme is not clear because it is still waiting for the green light from the Ministry of National Development Planning/Bappenas and the Ministry of Finance. The Ministry of Defense proposed the need for PLN worth US$3.3 billion for the purchase of the fighter aircraft originally developed by McDonnel Douglas, but on the other hand, the US has not yet granted an export license for the F-15EX to Indonesia.

Indonesia requires the application of Trade, Local Content and Offset (IDKLO) for every import of major weapons systems. The US is counted as a country that is not easy to provide offsetsto other countries in the matter of arms exports, but it is not an impossibility. As an illustration, PT GMF gets offset the purchase of five C-130J by Indonesia in the form of replacement of eight units of the center wing box C-130 aircraft the Air Force, where seven units of the C-130 will get a center wing box former, while a unit of the rest will get new center wing box supplied by Lockheed Martin partner. Procurement of weapons through the foreign military sales mechanism is usually more difficult to obtain offsets , but it is not mission impossible as evidenced by Indonesia's purchase of 12 F-16A/B Block 15 OCUs in 1986.

However, there is an important note that Indonesia needs to pay attention to regarding this, namely technology security. Since several years ago, Washington DC has encouraged Jakarta to form a work unit responsible for Defense Technology Security (DTS) at the Ministry of Defense level. The push is related to Indonesia's desire to get technology transfer from the US for the KFX/IFX program. The DTS issue has indeed been raised by the US to be one of the concerns in defense cooperation with Indonesia.

In every Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) signed by Indonesia for the acquisition of weapons from Uncle Sam, there is a DTS clause that must be approved by Indonesia as a weapon buyer. For example in the procurement of eight units of AH-64E Apache which contains a lot of sensitive technology. With the increasing potential for weapons purchases from Washington DC, the US encourages Indonesia to have a permanent work unit tasked with protecting US technology provided to Indonesia. The US concern is understandable because since the Cold War era, technological espionage has continued to occur, in addition to the fact that Indonesia also buys weapons from countries that are categorized as US competitors.

The DTS issue is not only at the level of the Ministry of Defense, but also at the level of the defense industry such as PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI). DTS coverage is quite broad, including data storage and network security. Limited implementation of DTS has been implemented by PTDI in the KFX/IFX program where there are restrictions on access to facilities in the Technology Center Building related to the program, but this is not sufficient and optimal. The problem of DTS at the defense industry level must be handled by a separate work unit and it is not appropriate if it is made part of the unit responsible for information technology.

Organizational culture also affects the DTS issue, where the majority of government organizations, state-owned and private companies still have weaknesses in this matter. The Indonesian defense industry still has to learn about DTS and this requires encouragement from the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of SOEs, as well as assistance from interested third parties. The DTS issue should be viewed not only from the political and technological aspects, but also its economic impact on the performance of the national defense industry in the medium and long term.

How big is the awareness of DTS in the Ministry of Defense and defense industry SOEs? The author still doubts the high level of awareness of DTS considering that there are still many parameters related to data and network security that have not been met. This requires major changes if DTS is fully implemented, including changes in human behavior. Investments are also needed to improve data and network security, both using state budget funds and state-owned defense industry funds.

Offsetis a political aspiration to increase the mastery of high technology as well as obtain economic value in the medium and long term from the procurement of weapons. Citing data from Janes, there is an offset opportunity of US$ 18.1 billion in Indonesia during the period 2021-2030 with the largest opportunity coming from the aerospace sector. To seize this opportunity, apart from being determined by the fiscal capacity to support defense spending and the capacity to absorb technology, the factor of the ability to secure the technology transferred as part of the offset needs to be carefully calculated.

It is possible that the US will allow Indonesia to spend US$ 3.3 billion on the acquisition of 24 F-15EXs, but refuse offsetsbecause they are not sure about Jakarta's ability to deal with DTS. The DTS issue is also relevant to the KFX/IFX program which requires US$ 1.5 billion for co-share payments until 2026. Will Indonesia sacrifice US$ 1.5 billion without being rewarded for access to technology because it is reluctant to meet DTS demands from the US and Korea? South? Funds for both programs are likely to be financed by PLN because it is impossible to rely on pure Rupiah funds.

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TNI AD Distribusikan 353 unit Kendaraan Dinas

Oleh : Herry Barus | Selasa, 28 September 2021 - 06:00 WIB

INDUSTRY.co.id - Jakarta – Markas Besar Angkatan Darat (Mabesad) kembali menggelar dan mendistribusikan sejumlah kendaraan dinas kepada satuan jajaran, Senin (27/9). Kendaraan dinas yang dibagikan adalah hasil Pengadaan TNI AD tahun anggaran 2020-2021 dan dukungan SKK Migas, baik kendaraan roda empat maupun roda dua.
Catatan Dispenad, total keseluruhan kendaraan 353 unit, terdiri dari roda empat sebanyak 118 unit dan roda dua sebanyak 235 unit. Adapun rincian jenis kendaraan tersebut meliputi
Transporter Heavy Scania 8 unit,
Kendaraan Dapur Lapangan 20 unit,
Pajero Sport 6 unit,
Ambulans 5 unit,
Tactical Reinforced Vehicle (TRV) 25 unit,
kendaraan Jammer 4 unit,
ILSV J-Forces Armored 4 unit,
kendaraan P6 ATAV 26 unit,
kendaraan penarik Meriam MAZ 8 unit dan kendaraan Tata Daewoo 12 unit,
Sepeda motor Trail Honda CRF 232 unit dan
Sepeda motor BMW Kawal Depan VIP 3 unit.

Pada kesempatan tersebut, Kepala Staf Angkatan Darat (Kasad) Jenderal TNI Andika Perkasa menyampaikan, bahwa TNI AD terus mengupayakan dan memperbaiki kualitas pengadaan atas kendaraan dinas yang didukung dengan teknologi mutakhir dalam rangka mendukung pelaksanaan tugas-tugas TNI AD ke depan agar semakin lebih baik lagi.

Sementara itu, Ketua Komisi I DPR RI, Meutya Viada Hafid menyambut positif dan mengapresiasi atas terealisasinya pengadaan kendaraan dinas TNI AD yang didukung Alutsista dengan teknologi mutakhir. “Bukan saja didukung teknologi paling mutakhir, sekaligus juga desain mutakhir yang dilakukan dengan hati” . Hal ini menjadi sangat sesuai dengan berbagai temuan di lapangan. Dengan demikian melalui pengadaan kendaraan dinas ini, diharapkan dapat memperbaiki kinerja TNI AD di masa mendatang tegas Meutya.
Selain Ketua Komisi I DPR RI, pada kegiatan tersebut juga hadir antara lain Wakil Ketua Komisi I DPR RI Dr. H. Abdul Kharis Almasyahari, M.Si, dan H. Anton Sukartono Suratto, M.Si, serta anggota Komisi I DPR RI Letjen TNI (Purn) Lodewijk F. Paulus, H. Sukamta, Ph.D, Dede Indra Permana, S.H., dan H. Syaifullah Tamliha, S.Pi.MS. Deputi Bid. Bisnis SKK Migas dan para pejabat utama di lingkungan Mabesad, serta perwakilan penerima kendaraan dinas dari Kotama dan Balakpus.
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again massive procurement, 353 new vehicles for the army.
from trucks to motorcycles
we aren't in tight money crisis, dont we? cheers :cheers:
 
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TNI AD Distribusikan 353 unit Kendaraan Dinas

Oleh : Herry Barus | Selasa, 28 September 2021 - 06:00 WIB

INDUSTRY.co.id - Jakarta – Markas Besar Angkatan Darat (Mabesad) kembali menggelar dan mendistribusikan sejumlah kendaraan dinas kepada satuan jajaran, Senin (27/9). Kendaraan dinas yang dibagikan adalah hasil Pengadaan TNI AD tahun anggaran 2020-2021 dan dukungan SKK Migas, baik kendaraan roda empat maupun roda dua.
Catatan Dispenad, total keseluruhan kendaraan 353 unit, terdiri dari roda empat sebanyak 118 unit dan roda dua sebanyak 235 unit. Adapun rincian jenis kendaraan tersebut meliputi
Transporter Heavy Scania 8 unit,
Kendaraan Dapur Lapangan 20 unit,
Pajero Sport 6 unit,
Ambulans 5 unit,
Tactical Reinforced Vehicle (TRV) 25 unit,
kendaraan Jammer 4 unit,
ILSV J-Forces Armored 4 unit,
kendaraan P6 ATAV 26 unit,
kendaraan penarik Meriam MAZ 8 unit dan kendaraan Tata Daewoo 12 unit,
Sepeda motor Trail Honda CRF 232 unit dan
Sepeda motor BMW Kawal Depan VIP 3 unit.

Pada kesempatan tersebut, Kepala Staf Angkatan Darat (Kasad) Jenderal TNI Andika Perkasa menyampaikan, bahwa TNI AD terus mengupayakan dan memperbaiki kualitas pengadaan atas kendaraan dinas yang didukung dengan teknologi mutakhir dalam rangka mendukung pelaksanaan tugas-tugas TNI AD ke depan agar semakin lebih baik lagi.

Sementara itu, Ketua Komisi I DPR RI, Meutya Viada Hafid menyambut positif dan mengapresiasi atas terealisasinya pengadaan kendaraan dinas TNI AD yang didukung Alutsista dengan teknologi mutakhir. “Bukan saja didukung teknologi paling mutakhir, sekaligus juga desain mutakhir yang dilakukan dengan hati” . Hal ini menjadi sangat sesuai dengan berbagai temuan di lapangan. Dengan demikian melalui pengadaan kendaraan dinas ini, diharapkan dapat memperbaiki kinerja TNI AD di masa mendatang tegas Meutya.
Selain Ketua Komisi I DPR RI, pada kegiatan tersebut juga hadir antara lain Wakil Ketua Komisi I DPR RI Dr. H. Abdul Kharis Almasyahari, M.Si, dan H. Anton Sukartono Suratto, M.Si, serta anggota Komisi I DPR RI Letjen TNI (Purn) Lodewijk F. Paulus, H. Sukamta, Ph.D, Dede Indra Permana, S.H., dan H. Syaifullah Tamliha, S.Pi.MS. Deputi Bid. Bisnis SKK Migas dan para pejabat utama di lingkungan Mabesad, serta perwakilan penerima kendaraan dinas dari Kotama dan Balakpus.
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again massive procurement, 353 new vehicles for the army.
from trucks to motorcycles
we aren't in tight money crisis, dont we? cheers :cheers:
If that includes motorcycle, then it is not much at all.
 

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Indonesia configures 90 m OPVs for anti-submarine, anti-ship operations
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A computer-generated image of Indonesia's 90 m OPVs that are being built by PT Daya Radar Utama. (PT Daya Radar Utama)

The Indonesian Navy is equipping its new class of two 90 m offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) with a Turkish combat management system (CMS) and weapons for anti-submarine and anti-ship operations.

Schematic diagrams and other official documents forwarded to Janes by an industry source confirm that the Indonesian Navy has selected the Advent combat system from Turkish software company Havelsan.

The system will be supplied with five operator consoles on a vessel combat network that has one electro-optical (EO) targeting system turret, a combined radar and EO-based fire-control system, a navigation radar, and a surveillance radar integrated with an identification friend-or-foe system.

The CMS will also be linked to a 76/62 Super Rapid (SR) naval gun – presumably from Italian defence company Leonardo – with provisions for a 35 mm naval gun system, two 20 mm cannons, anti-surface missiles, a variable-depth sonar system, decoy launchers, and an electronic warfare radar.

A computer-generated image of the vessel provided by shipbuilder PT Daya Radar Utama (PT DRU) indicates that the navy intends to equip the OPV with four anti-surface missile launchers mounted amidships. The image also depicts a 35 mm naval gun system in the aft section facing the flight deck, but it is unclear where the 20 mm guns will be located.

However, except for the 76 mm naval gun, Janes has been informed that selection processes for the remaining weapons are yet to begin and provisions for these systems in the CMS architecture will be made on a fitted-for-but-not-with basis.

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Vietnam, Indonesia hold meeting of joint working group on defence - military ties
The Vietnam - Indonesia joint working group on defence - military cooperation convened the fourth meeting via videoconference on September 29.
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Colonel Vu Thanh Van, Director of the External Relations Department under the Vietnamese Ministry of National Defence, at the online meeting on September 29 (Photo: qdnd.vn)

Hanoi (VNA) – The Vietnam - Indonesia joint working group on defence - military cooperation convened the fourth meeting via videoconference on September 29.

The event aimed to prepare for the two countries’ second defence policy dialogue slated for October, the Quan doi Nhan dan (People’s Army) daily reported.

Colonel Vu Thanh Van, Director of the External Relations Department under the Vietnamese Ministry of National Defence, expressed the willingness to join hands with the Indonesian side to help promote defence and military cooperation.

He noted in the Vietnam - Indonesia strategic partnership, bilateral defence and military links have maintained a positive development trend in the recent past.

Amid the complex COVID-19 pandemic, the organisation of the joint working group’s fourth meeting reflected both sides’ proactiveness, flexibility, and determination to maintain contact and enhance defence - military relations, according to the officer.

Vietnam, Indonesia hold meeting of joint working group on defence - military ties hinh anh 2The fourth meeting of the Vietnam - Indonesia joint working group on defence - military cooperation on September 29 (Photo: qdnd.vn)
Both sides shared the view that the joint working group has shown its effectiveness in helping to develop substantive defence - military ties between Vietnam and Indonesia.

Notably, leaders of the two militaries have paid mutual visits on the occasion of each other’s important events. The countries have also maintained and made good use of the consultation and information exchange mechanisms; shared experience between their military arms and services; cooperated in the defence industry; and supported and consulted each other at multilateral forums.

Regarding cooperation orientations for the time ahead, the two officials agreed to propose their defence ministries’ leaders increase mutual visits, especially at high levels, to boost viewpoint sharing and trust building; bring into play consultation and dialogue mechanisms; augment ties in personnel training; continue supporting each other at multilateral forums; and consider expanding cooperation to more areas such as search, rescue, and military medicine, particularly in COVID-19 response./.
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