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You know what would be funny? If the Prime Minister suddenly dies of a heart attack or slips in the shower or something. That would just be the single most interesting twist in this country's history
Too much political twist and vacuum for my taste . But , i could be wrong tho' ... Who know . We might be leaning toward the center and less unpredictable with his " absent " .....


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Been hearing rumors about a CAATSA waiver as well, is it possible that Prabowo might have been trying to get a waiver for us in exchange for something else?
I won't hold my breath tbh. The waiver could only mean that the blanket ban is lifted, whilst it's still going to be assessed on a case-by-case basis. I mean, who knows? For all we know, the waiver only going to be applied for the BMP-3s and not for the Su-35

(So this is the feeling of being defeated at foreign bids)...
Haha, unpleasant experience, but an experience nonetheless
 

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Enggak, kemarin malah pihak damen ngontak Indonesia itu kenapa design" OPV yang ada mirip sama PKR, mereka komplain enggak boleh itu
Kemaren pas ribut ribut desain KCR dan OPV itu ya , oh iya kira kira menurut mu bisa kejadian lg ga kemiripan design yg di ajukan PAL utk pkr latih ini dgn sigma lol....
 

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Kemaren pas ribut ribut desain KCR dan OPV itu ya , oh iya kira kira menurut mu bisa kejadian lg ga kemiripan design yg di ajukan PAL utk pkr latih ini dgn sigma lol....
Bisa, kecuali ada agreement dari dua pihak dimana pal diijinkan buat make design sigma tapi kayaknya hampir mustahil kalo gak nambah pkr atau nambah biaya "plus" ke damen :lol:
 

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Kemaren pas ribut ribut desain KCR dan OPV itu ya , oh iya kira kira menurut mu bisa kejadian lg ga kemiripan design yg di ajukan PAL utk pkr latih ini dgn sigma lol....
Bisa, kecuali ada agreement dari dua pihak dimana pal diijinkan buat make design sigma tapi kayaknya hampir mustahil kalo gak nambah pkr atau nambah biaya "plus" ke damen :lol:
nach yach itu yg penting. Segala urusan dgn Tuan Meneer van Kompeni memang wajib UUD
 

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-You forgot the third asterisk (***);
-The depth charges/mines should be depth charges/mines rails (no mines fitted);
-The dipping sonar should be Variable Depth Sonar (VDS) MG-329 " Sheksna" (active/passive VDS) not all of them fitted with this though;
-Hull sonar should be MG-332T "Argun" (active/passive hull sonar) with MG-16 high frequency sonar (underwater communication system);
-ESM should be 2x "Machta-P" / "Bizan 4B" passive ESM (NATO: "Watch Dog");
-IFF should be "Kremniy" IFF Transponder (NATO: "High Pole B");
-376 & 386 also got different FCR, namely Type 348 (TR47C) FCR and they also fitted with an EO/FLIR ball on top of the bridge.
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KRI Untung Suropati 372 dated 28/01/2020

Green Square: 2x "Machta-P" / "Bizan 4B" passive ESM (NATO: "Watch Dog")
Yellow Square: one of the two antenna for "Kremniy" IFF Transponder (NATO: "High Pole B")
Red Square: Denel Land System GA-1 (20x83mm)

Also, some ship got different secondary gun 20mm with/without manpad:
371 1x Oerlikon 20mm/70 (20x110mm RB) & 1x Twin Strela mount
372 2x Denel Land System GA-1 (20x83mm)
373 Removed
374 2x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm)
375 2x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm)
376 1x Twin Strela mount
377 2x Yugoimport-SDPR M71/08 (20x110mm)
378 1x Denel Land System GA-1 (20x83mm)
379 2x Oerlikon 20mm/70 (20x110mm RB)
381 1x Twin Strela mount
382 1x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm)
383 2x Yugoimport-SDPR M71/08 (20x110mm)
385 1x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm) & 1x Twin Strela mount
386 1x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm) & 1x Twin Strela mount

Note: I don't know for sure whether all those equipment are still operational (even worse, relevant to modern naval engagement) or not, I just listed all of them due to the fact that they're still where they were at the present.

COE inspection to Indobatt, looking like 120 mm light weight mortar

View attachment 682543
It's PINDAD Mo-3 81mm mortar
 
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-You forgot the third asterisk (***);
-The depth charges/mines should be depth charges/mines rails (no mines fitted);
-The dipping sonar should be Variable Depth Sonar (VDS) MG-329 " Sheksna" (active/passive VDS) not all of them fitted with this though;
-Hull sonar should be MG-332T "Argun" (active/passive hull sonar) with MG-16 high frequency sonar (underwater communication system);
-ESM should be 2x "Machta-P" / "Bizan 4B" passive ESM (NATO: "Watch Dog") [Green Square];
-IFF should be "Kremniy" IFF Transponder (NATO: "High Pole B") [Yellow Square];
-376 & 386 also got different FCR, namely Type 348 (TR47C) FCR and they also fitted with an EO/FLIR ball on top of the bridge.
View attachment 682653 KRI Untung Suropati 372 dated 28/01/2020

Green Square: 2x "Machta-P" / "Bizan 4B" passive ESM (NATO: "Watch Dog")
Yellow Square: one of the two antenna for "Kremniy" IFF Transponder (NATO: "High Pole B")
Red Square: Denel Land System GA-1 (20x83mm)

Also, some ship got different secondary gun 20mm with/without manpad:
371 1x Oerlikon 20mm/70 (20x110mm RB) & 1x Twin Strela mount
372 2x Denel Land System GA-1 (20x83mm) [Red Square]
373 Removed
374 2x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm)
375 2x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm)
377 2x Yugoimport-SDPR M71/08 (20x110mm)
378 1x Denel Land System GA-1 (20x83mm)
379 2x Oerlikon 20mm/70 (20x110mm RB)
381 1x Twin Strela mount
382 1x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm)
383 2x Yugoimport-SDPR M71/08 (20x110mm)
385 1x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm) & 1x Twin Strela mount
386 1x Denel Land System GI-2 (20x139mm) & 1x Twin Strela mount

Note: I don't know for sure whether all those equipment are still operational (even worse, relevant to modern naval engagement) or not, I just listed all of them due to the fact that they're still where they were at the present.


It's PINDAD Mo-3 81mm mortar
Thanks man
 

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Bisa, kecuali ada agreement dari dua pihak dimana pal diijinkan buat make design sigma tapi kayaknya hampir mustahil kalo gak nambah pkr atau nambah biaya "plus" ke damen :lol:
Lol...krungu krungu malah di tabrak wae kui terutama design sectiion yg di kerjakan di PAL canggih canggih e teknisi sini seko nyawang wae iso dadi gambar tinggal eksekusi "plek" , wong bengkel indonesia kok di lawan jago sulap kabeh lulusan stm abang jago , tapi yen hura percoyo hura opo opo yo nan lol
 

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What waiver? According to some sources, caatsa should be triggered first then you get waiver just like India or Egypt. That means they should buy first the article then can ask for waiver.

Imho, no effective contract yet for Su-35.
 

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Bisa, kecuali ada agreement dari dua pihak dimana pal diijinkan buat make design sigma tapi kayaknya hampir mustahil kalo gak nambah pkr atau nambah biaya "plus" ke damen
Jelas, biaya tambahan sebagai royaltinya
 

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Godverdomme!!! LoL

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We should put a distance from them at defense related matter
On the contrary. We should have more out of them. They will sell us literally anything as long they it doesn't cause too much of domestic politic risk. Which mean, any manufacturing / contruction will be done here on our side rather because they do not wan't to be seen selling major tangible article. The only challenge is our negotiation team need to be more diligent in the contract drafting. The best of all is they have no problem whatsoever with Vergaan Onder Corruptie which is very compatible with our own kearifan lokal
 

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