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This .... I don't know with the rest of ur forumer thingking or expectation . But this the grim expectation on what should be happened the our man of war if the shooting get started in SCS . Oh yea we got the depth allright and the Mainland would definitely turn into wasteland in the up coming months or years but do we survives the process ?? That is the very question should we asking for ....
Cyber attack will precede any opening of hostility. ChiCom has done so for years against Murica albeit merely testing the red lining. Keep in mind we are now already too deep in over reliance to TCP/IP based telecommunication no thanks to PakDe infrastructure push & going cashless (which is poorly executed at some aspects)

I have no doubt what so ever that we will survive as a nation. However the hardship we will endure particulary to those of you who aren't pepping for any disaster will be enormous.
 

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This .... I don't know with the rest of ur forumer thingking or expectation . But this the grim expectation on what should be happened the our man of war if the shooting get started in SCS . Oh yea we got the depth allright and the Mainland would definitely turn into wasteland in the up coming months or years but do we survives the process ?? That is the very question should we asking for ....
Look at it this way, having something as small as an MPA refueling base would benefit us more in the long run. For one, you'd have better early warning capability over anything we have or would have in the near future. And two, it gives you depth in the sense that it would make "you know who" rethink their plans.

The same question happened for Finland and Swiss during the height of Cold War so with Sweden though , none of them can match against the Soviet or US but they can prevail with clever diplomacy tactics and leaning positions, along with developing your economy and militarily power. That's what we should do.
Forum diplomacy didn't help the Norwegians or the Benelux countries with their own respective Wehrmacht invasions either. But allying with a major power block AFTER they were invaded did.

But it's beside the point. What's done is done and the people in charge are still stuck with the whole "buy everything and look tough" mindset that has plagued the Armed Forces for years along with refusing to learn the reality of 21st century warfare.
 

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Look at it this way, having something as small as an MPA refueling base would benefit us more in the long run. For one, you'd have better early warning capability over anything we have or would have in the near future. And two, it gives you depth in the sense that it would make "you know who" rethink their plans.



Forum diplomacy didn't help the Norwegians or the Benelux countries with their own respective Wehrmacht invasions either. But allying with a major power block AFTER they were invaded did.

But it's beside the point. What's done is done and the people in charge are still stuck with the whole "buy everything and look tough" mindset that has plagued the Armed Forces for years along with refusing to learn the reality of 21st century warfare.
Big and shiny borrowing knife was always a borrowing item . It offer some benefit but it's only a facade . Mask of the impotency sprawling within .
Make no mistakes ... I'm all with all the help we could get . But , it has to come for a mutual benefits on an equal ground . While we have so much society scum we could spare as a canon fodder at least their sacrifice has to mean something and for our interest .

But , i had to agree ....without some serious smacking we might never willing to learn properly at all ....

Sometimes we Indonesian are too laidback for our own good



## Just out of curiosity ... What are the chance for our F 16 carrying a SOM missile ??
 

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Pompeo to visit Indonesia after spy plane rebuff

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will address an Islamic youth group conference on religion and civilisation in Jakarta.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will address an Islamic youth group conference on religion and civilisation in Jakarta.PHOTO: AFP

JAKARTA (REUTERS) - US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will visit Indonesia next week, his first trip to the country since its leadership rejected a United States proposal to host its spy planes.

Mr Pompeo will address an Islamic youth group conference on religion and civilisation in Jakarta, Indonesia's foreign minister Retno Marsudi said on Thursday (Oct 22), without providing further details of his itinerary.

Earlier, Mr Pompeo told reporters in Washington that he hoped to meet Ms Retno and Indonesia's President Joko Widodo on the trip.


The visit comes amid an escalating US-China rivalry that is being vigorously contested in South-east Asia, especially in the South China Sea, which China claims as almost entirely its own territory. The claim is opposed by many regional states, including Indonesia.

Mr Pompeo's visit comes after the US made high-level approaches to Ms Retno and Indonesia's defence minister Prabowo Subianto in late July and early August to grant landing and refuelling rights to its P-8 surveillance planes that monitor Chinese military activity in the resource-rich South China Sea.

The offer was rebuffed by Mr Joko, according to four senior officials. Indonesia has long followed a neutral foreign policy and has never allowed its territory to be used as a staging ground for foreign military operations.


Mr Pompeo declined to directly answer questions on the spy plane proposal, referring reporters to the Pentagon.

Spokesmen for the Pentagon, the Indonesian president, foreign minister and defence minister either declined to comment or did not respond to requests for comment.

"There are commercial issues, security issues, and diplomatic issues where the United States has already improved the relationship between the countries," he said. "But there's more that we can do."

Mr Pompeo's Jakarta visit will conclude a four-day trip that includes stops in India, Sri Lanka and the Maldives.


Guess, It's time to use our bargain power eh?
I think they should stop.
 

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I think they should stop.
Naah ... Hush-hush agremeent was always around regardless the administration . Unless they are asking for an open US air base . Which will definitely fail spectacularly... Unless the shooting was allready started and we would unleash the " rawe-rawe rantas malang2 putung " spirit ...

Let's just wait ... I believe some suprises would come in a discreet way . After all even the US wouldn't make any big decision until january

☕+ :drag:
 

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Big and shiny borrowing knife was always a borrowing item . It offer some benefit but it's only a facade . Mask of the impotency sprawling within .
Make no mistakes ... I'm all with all the help we could get . But , it has to come for a mutual benefits on an equal ground . While we have so much society scum we could spare as a canon fodder at least their sacrifice has to mean something and for our interest .

But , i had to agree ....without some serious smacking we might never willing to learn properly at all ....

Sometimes we Indonesian are too laidback for our own good



## Just out of curiosity ... What are the chance for our F 16 carrying a SOM missile ??
Don't we need F16 source code to integrate new non US suplied weapon?
 

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Turkish were given the codes and we are haven't ....
To integrate SOM is not that difficult technically as long as Mil std bus is compatible to what they had it is possible and i clearly sure they had sold some SOM to the Azeris
 

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Pompeo to visit Indonesia after spy plane rebuff

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will address an Islamic youth group conference on religion and civilisation in Jakarta.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will address an Islamic youth group conference on religion and civilisation in Jakarta.PHOTO: AFP

JAKARTA (REUTERS) - US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will visit Indonesia next week, his first trip to the country since its leadership rejected a United States proposal to host its spy planes.

Mr Pompeo will address an Islamic youth group conference on religion and civilisation in Jakarta, Indonesia's foreign minister Retno Marsudi said on Thursday (Oct 22), without providing further details of his itinerary.

Earlier, Mr Pompeo told reporters in Washington that he hoped to meet Ms Retno and Indonesia's President Joko Widodo on the trip.


The visit comes amid an escalating US-China rivalry that is being vigorously contested in South-east Asia, especially in the South China Sea, which China claims as almost entirely its own territory. The claim is opposed by many regional states, including Indonesia.

Mr Pompeo's visit comes after the US made high-level approaches to Ms Retno and Indonesia's defence minister Prabowo Subianto in late July and early August to grant landing and refuelling rights to its P-8 surveillance planes that monitor Chinese military activity in the resource-rich South China Sea.

The offer was rebuffed by Mr Joko, according to four senior officials. Indonesia has long followed a neutral foreign policy and has never allowed its territory to be used as a staging ground for foreign military operations.


Mr Pompeo declined to directly answer questions on the spy plane proposal, referring reporters to the Pentagon.

Spokesmen for the Pentagon, the Indonesian president, foreign minister and defence minister either declined to comment or did not respond to requests for comment.

"There are commercial issues, security issues, and diplomatic issues where the United States has already improved the relationship between the countries," he said. "But there's more that we can do."

Mr Pompeo's Jakarta visit will conclude a four-day trip that includes stops in India, Sri Lanka and the Maldives.


Guess, It's time to use our bargain power eh?
Meeting with islamic youth group?
Hmmm back to sixties vibes
 

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